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The Board => Archive => Void => Topic started by: Ragnar the Red on September 04, 2010, 08:12:22 PM
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Hi, I'm Thunderscreamer. You may know me from undead rise. Anyway I'm new here and Zak told me to Introduce myself, but Id also like to say a few things.
1) I have been here for a week now and not 1 Admin had replyed to any of my posts. I looked at the list of members and found 1 listed as Administrator (and their name was Admn, wich is not very original and beside the point). Admn hasnt been on in nearly a year, and has made precisely 0 posts. I dont know if there are other admins with different titles, but this scares me. Either way they are not on very often, and I think we need a change. I am suggesting a new admin be instated.
Of our choices, there is one that sticks out to me: Zak. I am not saying this because I know him in real life, or that he is a good friend of mine. If you were ever a part of Undead Rise, you know Zak makes a good Admn. He is commonly active (more so on Shattered than Undead), understanding, openminded, somewhat strict in approval, and has a sense of humer. By sense of humer I mean he never gets offended by petty things such as jokes a user has made (with the possability of Dylans tireless profanity). Secondly Id say Xana, for he has somewhat simular traits. Then Fantacy, but it says retired so I dont think thats he'd want to). I have only seen a small portion of her posts and that may not be enough to judge her fairly, but 7 years is, so I say Zak (if that's alright with you Zak).
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The admins are 'leaders,' they each lead a team in respective positions. Or did.. I don't know what it is right now, it's kinda mixed up.
It WAS, K2, Nisorin, Gaser, Orph, and I. K2 and Nisorin as Wiki Team Leaders, Gaser as Mediation but now Incognito. Orph as.... Himself, and I'm Moderation Leader.
For your suggestions, "Active, Understanding, Open Minded, and Somewhat Strict," (Humor isn't really needed.)
The reason you're putting me 'dead last,' is because I was 'somewhat strict,' on Orga ripping off Lovecraft, wow...
Also, you're being bias. Zak and XANA are your friends, you judge staff by qualifications, not because they're your friends.
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If you have a society that has All Freedom, it is not good, due to anarchy. If you Have a society with No freedom, it is not good, due to repression. You are dangerously close to the repressive side of things. You aren't open minded enough, and sense of humor does tie in with understanding. If you don't allow comic relief in your life, you wont understand some of the subtle that many of us do (often without realizing it). Also we want someone who we can have fun with. Why would you ever want to be in a forum that you don't enjoy being a part of? It doesn't make sense. Tada! Sense of hummer matters, at least to me, and others who like having fun on the forum. It wasn't a rip off, it was inspired by. Someone could be nicknamed C'thulu! I've been nicknamed lobster-back, spider monkey, and Casper the friendly Ghost! Casper's copyrighted.
I honestly don'[t have a clue why your worrying about copyright violation. Are you making any money off of this site? Is Cthulu? Is this site visited by billions of people every second all over the world? There are no copyright issues on this sight, wow....
No, I am not Being Bias. The only 2 admins on Undead Rise are Zak and XANA (but on Undead Rise XANA's User name is Hiro Dark), and the site is better organized, easier to catch up on, and I actually got something approved in the first week! I judge Staff by qualification, and that's why I nominated Zak!
I'm sorry though. It was a bit harsh calling you out like that.
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Mr. Thunderscreamer, being a long time member of this board, I can say, quite easily, Hik is a well qualified staff member.
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I'm gonna edit that part out. Sorry guys
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Oh and as an answer to you last question, no, we're not currently making money, but we ARE working on an anime, and it would kinda suck for us to have copyrighted characters in our anime, eh?
But besides the point, most of us take this RP pretty seriously. And I personally think it would be REALLY annoying for all my intense, well planned out characters to be forced to interact with a bunch of Master Chief, or, even worse, Arbiter ripoffs.
Oh, I forgot to say, welcome to the forum. I know your heart was in the right place when you made your points. I think you'll be valuable member here. Watch out for the Troll Mouse, Grunder's Glass beam, don't piss of Hikaru (the character) or Benjamin South, and you should get out okay.
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Welcome to the board, and I'm going to have to say that I agree with you on your opening post and Stella's second post, however I highly doubt that anime will get anywhere.
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Mr. Thunderscreamer, being a long time member of this board, I can say, quite easily, Hik is a well qualified staff member.
Look, when I first got on here, Hik was great. The site was great. You had to maybe wait two days to get stuff approved at the worst.
Now, nobody is approving of anything. Most, if not all, staff are gone for the better part of the time and then don't even come back and approve. Gaser is gone for all I know. Orph doesn't come along very often, whether or not him being in Dakota. Hik doesn't approve of anything. I haven't seen Nisorin on here in a very long time, and K2 is retired.
All I'm saying is that at the very least there needs to be some secondary staffers. The ones who can pick up the slack of the others. Me, Unstellar, Hiro/Xana etc. Because as far as I've seen, nobody does anything. Real life comes first and all, but still.
And not only that, but it might be better to have new plot ideas added into the mix so that everybody's empires can be included. Not just the Relorians, Aralangs, Koty and Eli, etc.
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And not only that, but it might be better to have new plot ideas added into the mix so that everybody's empires can be included. Not just the Relorians, Aralangs, Koty and Eli, etc.
You can make a plot without being staff... We didn't talk to each other and set everything up that's going right now, except maybe the tournament.
Current stuff? The ones involved talked to each other. You want a plot, go talk to the other people you want to create the plot with. THAT'S WHAT AN RP IS!
Collaborative story. Don't complain that you can't create a plot just because you aren't staff.
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Well I'm sorry if not being able to be in the main story of the RP kind of bothers me, Hik. An RP is a collaborative story, but there is always a backbone to it. And as far as I can see, that backbone is all the staff's stuff.
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There is no main story.. The Sage Three, Koty and crap, may be older characters and the most powerful, but they're not main. No one's main in an RP where everyone's free to add to the story.
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Yeah... Right... Whatever you say... *rolls eyes at Hik's blindness"
In case you haven't noticed, most if not everyone consider that the main story line. And then we can't get into that. Our crap? Its not in the spotlight. Its not even visible compared to Hikaru, and Koty and crap.
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I agree with Zak on most of this. I propose sending an Admin a PM suggesting Zak to be promoted. Whenever they get back on they will see it. They may ask a question about it, but its all good.
And anyway I was wondering why you have all these limits on charicters, but no limits on empires! You could make 25 nations in a day!
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1. I may or may not be the best candidate.
2. Its just known that you don't. You can't. And if you did it wouldn't help you.
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How does someone become an admn on here?
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Promotion. Staff agreement. Etc.
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And anyway I was wondering why you have all these limits on charicters, but no limits on empires! You could make 25 nations in a day!
It's to keep people like Hawkeye from making a thousand crash dummies with billboard personalities, clones of his other characters, and tools of battle only.
People need to learn how to develop and keep alive a character, but he uses them as tools. Limit the amount of characters, and you have less crash dummies running around.
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THIS EFFECT IS AWESOME!
ok., but It can make making new members charictors a bit annoying.
anyway, Zak, I think asking the Admns to promote you would be more likely to get you promoted than doing nothing
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But it doesn't seem right asking for a promotion. You have to earn it.
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But I cant earn someone elses promotion
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...What?
Look, you can't just go up to your boss and ask him if you can have a promotion. You have to impress them and make them think you're good enough.
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But you can go up to the boss and say "can you promote this guy right over here"
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Nooooo. Its still not right. And either way, you can do that, I don't care any more. I just think its not like me earning it.
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Ok, I'll just say some good things about you so that nevt time they're promoting, they'll keep you in mind
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Ok...
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Scroll down to the giant words later in this post to skip my blabbering.
Alright, first off. Nice to meet you. I'm K2/Fantasy/Ulrich/Sirius/Genesis/Drakon (with some fancy a and/or or or something, I don't remember)/...you get the point. I've had a lot of usernames on this site alone. I like Fantasy so far though. Ocean_Palm was a good name t- Oh, wait, sorry.
Thanks for recommending me as admin, by the way. I'd decline, of course. I retired like... Two weeks ago because I don't have the time or energy to manage this board anymore. I still find time to RP a lot though. I've been here since the start of the RP waaay back in ol' 2006. Along time, right? As I'm sure you can all imagine, not even Hikaru, Kai, Hawkeye, and I (probably the oldest of members) can remember great deals of the RP. We've done a pretty good job of writing down what we do remember, though.
Earlier this year, I set out on a project known simply as 'Indepth Plot'. I created a topic in Admin Chat and I began going around asking people who were originally on the board about what they remember, collaborating memories, and piecing together what happened plot-wise. I then began to write the entire plot (several years worth of content) up in the form of a summary. Outline. Something.
I took each event that occurred in the plot throughout the years, gave it a section, and wrote somewhere from a paragraph to a page or so about the event in summary. I pieced these summaries together in chronological plot order and included summaries of backstory events. Thus, I created a topic which could be read by somebody who was totally new (or a veteran member, either way) who understood little to nothing about the plot. They'd come out understanding just as much as I do.
The plot topic gives detail to events all the way up to December 2009. Why that month, you ask? Because the plot and all the topics/posts in their entirety from December 2009 and onward can be found on this message board. That's how long we've been here, on this board. Before, the RP took place on an older message board, but we moved here back in December.
So, why, as I'm sure you're wondering if you're still reading by now, can you not see this plot right now? Because it's not finished. The staff (*shifts eyes towards Hikaru*) needs to fix up a few sections which I got wrong and don't exactly understand. Once that's done, the plot topic will be put all together in a new topic without all the commentary from staff and posted for the public to see. That will clear up any questions people might have, but here's the thing...
You guys don't NEED that topic. That's the great thing about this RP. I remarked to Hikaru a few months back that I was in awe that the small little barely-an-RP nationbuilder topics she and I headed up on a small code lyoko fanboard had grown to such a degree. Here we are now. Four years later (to be fair, only three years actually consisted of actual plot, but the year in which we didn't RP this roleplay consisted of tons of brainstorming and such in the form of another RP we ran), here we are on an SMF Board with our own domain and fifty or so members with 30-pages-worth of summaries of the plot. She replied back to me something along the lines of, "It's because of what kind of roleplay this plot is. It allows for expansion."
What she meant by that is that, much as it is true in-character, there are no limits to what you can do here (I mean... you know... besides ripping off characters and godmoding and.... that's not what I meant.) as far as the plot goes. You can have a romance story. You can have a story of a planet just breaking into technology. You can have the story of a young boy who discovers he is the last of a long line of the best wizard family in the dimension and that it is his destiny to defeat the evil sage of Blorg and liberate the ogre people. It's your story. It's your roleplay.
The staff just helps keep it going. Or at least, it did. That gets into the point of what I'm trying to say here. You guys are right about some things and wrong about some things. But you know, you're more right here. Except for when you're wrong. But that doesn't count when you're rig- Right, I got it. On with it.
What you're right about:
The staff is as lazy (or in some cases, busy) as... well, a lazy (or busy) person. I was no exception when I was staff (I usually tried to approve stuff, but I have to admit, there were times when I'd just be so lazy that I'd skip right over the approval sections when logging on.) either. It should be the first thing the staff does when logging on, before they even hit 'Recent Posts' or whatever. Check approval forums. Approve, don't just read the topics. Don't skip ships, either. And if you approve a ship or planet or whatever, make the ship or planet.
We need staff reform. I wasn't qualified to be staff, and while I have to say that the staff are some of my good friends, some of them (not naming anybody) aren't always qualified either. But don't go bashing Hikaru. She's done more for this board then a lot of you know. She and Nisorin are basically why this board is alive. If anyone had to be booted off staff, they'd be the last to go. But all the staff members (even Orph) have done great things for this board. The results aren't always right there for you to see, but they are always significant things.
So, what should happen in this reform of staff? First off (and I suggested this a good month ago I think), the whole 'leader' concept needs to be ditched as it doesn't really work well with this kind of board. Second off, these guys are right. We do need to add some new people into the board staff. Not just having people who have been here for years and all.
UnStellar, Zak, Hiro/XANA, Zai, and even Lyoko222 would all make good choices. There's others, but I'm really tired right now and those were off the top of my head. Zumi would also make a great staff member. Take it from someone who knows... She can run an RP board. She may not be the most technological person, but not only is she a great RPer (better than me, that's for sure), but she's got leadership skills. The need for at least one new staff member is great.
Let me tell you why the staff is so hesitant to add new staff members. I said earlier that we've got, what, fifty members here? Take out about five of those for spambots and another five for duplicate accounts, and you've got forty members. I'd say about 25% of those registered members who are not spambots and duplicates are active. That gives you a little over ten active members. Let's say twelve. A little over 30% of those active members are currently staff members.
It may not seem like it, but that's a lot. On a board with one thousand active members, that's what? Around 300 staff members? I'm not very good with math sometimes, but I think that's about right. Anyway, my point is, that's a lot of staff members. And not too many members. Maybe we should boot out some staff, sure, but that only puts off a bigger problem which we should alternatively be trying to solve now before we worry THAT much about staff reform...
We need members. I applaud Zak for recruiting Thunder here, and I'm sure that he (she? sorry, Thunder) will be a valued member here. But we need more members. We need to start putting ourselves out there. We need to represent and advertise. We need to raise that number from 25% activity to 125% activity. We need more members.
That doesn't excuse the staff issue right now either. I think at the present moment it is important for the staff to add at least one new staff member (sooo not it). Otherwise, the problem will still stand.
What you guys are wrong about is the rips. I support Hikaru and UnStellar's opinions all the way.
FINALLY, as a comment to Zumi, the anime has potential to be something of entertainment value. While of course my image for it is far stretched, it could turn into something.
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Shameless plug time!
The SPTCG may also attract new members! Of course I don't want to be staff of SP, but I literally promised to staff the TCG forum. If you want to be a part of the grand scene, go look at the forum! We're only 40% away from playing the card game officially, and I/we could use your help!
People that help with the TCG enough, or request it, will also have potential to be a part of the TCG staff as well once we enter Phases 2, 3, Pseudo 2, 4, and Final.
In case you're lost, go here to get started (http://shatteredplanes.com/index.php?board=494.0)!
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I've been signing on every night, actually. Approving and posting here and there where I can, but since the best internet around my grandmother's house is dial up, there's not much I can do. Isn't even a WiFi hotspot within ten miles of her entire town. I will be back home Tuesday evening however.
Now. I do agree with a couple points. The staff, including me, have been far too ignorant of the approval boards. However, I also think that we have improved on that as of late, and will continue to improve due to the new additions of UnStellar and Zumi to the staff.
As for the plot, it is a bit difficult to involve new people with such relatively small roles as say, a merc company leader who can fit his entire company into a corvette, into a plot consisting of multi-planetary empires and warring embodiments. The scale itself, as much interest and intruige as it provides, also creates problems. That said, it is your own faults as well as ours for you not being included in the main board plot, as you've done little to nothing to get yourself included.
Admittedly, the main plot is rather thin. This board, as of right now, is in between story events, with the exception of the Plex Tournament in hell. It's a time normally filled with empire warfare and side plots, political dealings. Merc companies getting hired out by empires, empires expanding or falling according to the currents of war and diplomacy. But, this break seems to be a bit slower, for whatever reason. Surprising, given the high amounts of hostility bred during the last break, as well as the arrival of the Lorcar.
The Admin account is a backup account used only in the case of serious server problems. It's got the Administrator membergroup so that it can be used to fix said problems. It is otherwise not used.
As for Empires, they all need a character to lead them, do they not?
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Yo, I'm Orph.
..fuck your guy's long ass posts.
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/me headdesks
Lazy.
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We're all lazy, Nisorin. The key of bettering ourselves is not 'not being lazy' but fighting the ideals of efficiency when they past their boundries and begin to weigh upon the ideals of the 'hard-working'.
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I think we've got just about all of this covered and done away with for the moment.
The only thing I am ify about is the fact that there is a main storyline that takes centerstage that a lot of things aren't a part of. A lot of really big empires don't even have a role in it.
And there is a main storyline, Hik and Nisorin. Just because you don't think so, doesn't mean that there isn't.
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I'm not saying there isn't a main storyline, just that it's relatively small, and currently revolving around the Plex Tournament, so if you didn't enter yourselves in you pretty much passed up your chance. And since the invitation was sent out to all magic users, you've no real excuse unless you're an Aralang. Buuuut, they learned about it and STILL didn't want to join, so that's their fault.
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I wasn't on Sp at the time... So... yeah...
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Still, Nisorin's right. You could easily make a new story line and get everyone involved. Here's the key:
Make it focus not so much on one 'protagonist' or protoempire, but more on joining people for a common cause. Some threat that makes everyone work together.
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hehehe.
Im a guy by the way.
Also I may be able to get my friend on here.
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DO IT.