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The Hub => The Library [ A R C H I V E ] => Staff Updates => Grimoire => Topic started by: Queen Bright on October 03, 2010, 10:58:43 PM
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So new concept, brought out here: http://shatteredplanes.com/index.php?topic=2157.0
Existence put into 'classes.' This was IC, and the classes I tend to keep. Of course the map, I was going off the lore and what I THINK the Void is in, so once I get clarified on the Void, then it'll be correct. Till then, know that it's subject to change. Alright!
So your first question is obviously. "What the hell am I looking at below?" Yes, I know, my writing sucks, doesn't it?
Since it does, I'll go ahead and explain in text.
Map Key:
Cube: This is Existence, ALL of existence. Every last bit of it. Nothing outside of it. Except God, the real god in the RP, The Gnostic God. As well as... Well I'm getting to that. So no, no "MAGICAL LANDS OUTSIDE OF EXISTENCE." If they are OUTSIDE of existence, then it would be outside of the MATERIAL existence. As Orph brought out "Reality." But, I don't think we're going ahead with others, or I believe we aren't.
Inside the Cube of Existence, we have the North/Heaven, the South/Erebus(now destroyed.), The east and west, that the lore says is now destroyed. So really, all we have is Heaven IC. Those are the circley domes you seem.
THEN we have the Top Flat Rectangle in the middle. This is MATERIAL EXISTENCE, Existence as WE/our characters know it. Aka The Dimensional Plane.
Under it (Now this is subject to change, as I really didn't know to begin with.) We have the Void/Non-existence.
And THEN, (I didn't put it here, because it would have just confused the hell out of you.) There would be lines all through the cube, signifying timelines/universes, whatever. Just imagine those are there. Like, a tangled mess of timelines, a yarnball. Picture it inside the cube, around all the other things. So I guess... there should be Cube - Circle - THEN planes and domes, but whatever.
So now you're probably about to ask "WTF are those circles on the bottom and top of the cube then?"
THAT, is what was brought out in the topic the "Classes of Existence."
Classes of Existence"
Surgrounded
Grounded/Medigrounded
Subgrounded
Ingrounded
Dualgrounded
Surgrounded: Is ABOVE existence (The cube, real existence.) They are what you have as embodiments, 'gods,' etc. They are above existence and manipulate its forces, but as Embodiments are one force, each to their own. BUT they can be effected by existence as well, as in embodiments effecting other embodiments.
Grounded/Medigrounded: That's US, well, you. Some characters are, well getting to that. The Grounded or Medigrounded are the people in MATERIAL EXISTENCE/Dimensional Plane. They are the ones that can't manipulate forces, and can be manipulated by forces, they have no special abilities in existence. Except to do their everyday normal part of being in it.
Ungrounded: Being Ungrounded is a temporary process of travelling from one point of the Plane of Existence to the next. It's pretty much not existing in the Plane of Existence, but not quite not existing; people ungrounded are still tied to the plane. From there, ungrounded characters can move to any other point on the Plane of Existence (And only this plane, since they're tied to it.). However, this travel is often unreliable and only suitable for very, very long distances otherwise unfathomable to the common mind because the time taken to travel between these two points are completely random.--- Added by Zai
Subgrounded: Now only a few characters are this, in that topic. As well as whoever I or Gaser who helped me come up with the concept deem, give the okay to be such. So this is personal approval class. Anyways, The Subgrounded are BELOW Existence/Cube. They can't manipulate forces, because they aren't above it like Surgrounded. But on the other hand, they can't be manipulated by forces. Such as, Time cannot read their timelines or edit them. Other forces cannot have hold on them, or use their force against them. They can attack them, yes, and even kill them. But because they are below, the roots of existence. Existence tries to keep them alive, so it doesn't come tumbling down. They can die, but they will eventually come back. As they are the 'contradictions,' of Existence, as well as its roots.
Dualgrounded: This, I would ASSUME was the "Perfect," that once lived. Both powers of Subgrounded and Surgrounded, can manipulate forces as well as not be manipulated by them. YET, as you see on both Sur and Sub, they are still 'tied,' to existence, which is what the lines going from the cube to each circle represents.
Being 'tied,' to existence, means all these classes are still bound to existence. They can't go out of it. They're not all powerful. What is?
Ingrounded: This is the class that is outside of REAL existence all together. It's not tied to existence. To where it doesn't have to follow any laws of Existence. And it's both Sub, and Sur. Dualgrounded without being tied. There are only TWO people in this class. Gnostic God and [Classified.]
But there is a way to be Ingrounded.
As brought out in the topic, due to Subgrounded being a contradiction and existence trying to keep it alive. If a Subgrounded was permanently killed as in, spirit killed. As K2 said, re-incarnation would happen to one permanently killed. They would re-join the Gnostic God, and be TRULY re-incarnated to another, without their former life.
THAT IS NOT true for the Subgrounded.
Because they are a contradiction, and their death is a contradiction as well. The two contradictions overpower the one tautology. (The absolute truth/conservation law that says nothing can be created or destroyed.) Then them being destroyed would be a contradiction to that law. But because their existence was already a contradiction, it's two contradictions vs the one tautology which causes Irrationality.
The Tautology would try to save them because it says "Hey, this person can't be destroyed, THAT'S AGAINST ME!"
Whereas the two contradictions are like, "But they have to be killed."
Due to irrationality, they would be neither killed or saved, and become neither alive or dead. They would become a paradox, aka Ingrounded.
Ingrounded is reserved, and almost forbidden. YOU CANNOT HAVE AN INGROUNDED CHARACTER UNLESS YOU HAVE A DAMN GOOD REASON TO BE ONE, AND IT IS A PERSONAL APPROVAL BY BOTH OF US.
Now here's the map.
(http://i55.tinypic.com/2mecq5i.jpg)
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There should be only one ingrounded entity, and that would be the GG, Gaser's anomaly isn't omnipotent, no matter the limits that are placed on him. No NPC or PC gets to be omnipotent.
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Read how things become ingrounded, and read the IC topic. http://shatteredplanes.com/index.php?topic=2157.0 (http://shatteredplanes.com/index.php?topic=2157.0)
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The roleplay has officially become too complicated.
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It's just now too complicated? What about your Dimension stuff? Personally I don't find this complicated at all.
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K2, your idea on the dimensions, and how they move or something, is more complicated than this.
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I think this is all a little bit too complicated. And by a little, I mean enought to scare some new members off. That is if any are coming and going to ry to participate nowadays anyway.
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Well the grounding part is kinda IC now...
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NULL THIS! You know why? Because the majority has hated it. EVER since I posted it, Orph and everyone did not agree at first and later did. Even then they get confused on it. Of course it was IC, has been IC, and has been used several times. BUT! THAT DOES NOT MATTER! Not according to our local staff and plot writer Mr.K2323 and Mr.Lyoko22. If the majority don't agree, it can be changed. NOTHING is written in stone. Not even things that have a years worth of RPing becomes of them. ANYTHING can be changed. Just to make members happy. :)
[08:56] <Lyoko222> Hik, we all have stated before, that the board's lore, history, and everything about it is decided by the MEMBERS. And NOTHING is set in stone
[09:02] <Lyoko222> People have stated that it can be adapted, and nothing is set in stone
[09:02] <Lyoko222> the foundation of SP is like the foundation of America, the Constitution.
Yes, that's how we work, but in principle he's right, if the majority thought something needed to be changed it would be. Luckily the majority doesn't think these things need to be changed. :) For the most part lore is written in stone but if a good portion of the board agrees it's for the best to change something, then the staff would have to consider it. That's reality.
If the majority? Seriously? So say... if the majority suddenly upped and said they wanted Embodiments to have never been created. You would throw a year and a half of roleplay out the window just because the majority said so?
If they said they didn't like the dimensional plane you would null the entire Shattered Planes Era and go back to GE explanations because the majority said so?
If they said they hated the entire OK you would get rid of everything that this RP started with just because members weren't happy?
I'm sorry. But there's a point where pleasing members to stay active is important vs changing EVERYTHING about something you've worked on in order to cater to every whim, demand, and complaint the members have just because they might get fed up and leave. THAT is when you get new fucking members.
That's just pathetic. And NO other roleplay site out there would do that. I can guarantee you that now if you go and ask every other RP what they would do. They would tell the members to deal with it or go to a different RP, or help them to like it. They would not change the entire foundation of what they've worked on just to please members as then it would NOT be the same RP anymore.
If the majority doesn't like something, then yes, otherwise that makes us tyrants.
SO YES! The majority hated it, Null it. It's not written in stone. Of course...this means...
1. No ingrounding means Gaserlake's character Smith never had the power to take away the Aralangs, which means they're still here just idle. Which breaks why?
2. Ingrounded!Hikaru never existed thus she could not have battled Animas and caused Existence to interfere which means the Guardian HQ is still around and again, the Aralangs are still around and Hikaru was not gone for 8 years. HOWEVER if she never existed then they never left the Outerverse, and everyone is still in a standstill at the Outerverse. TIMESKIP
3. Ingrounded!Hikaru never existed so Hikaru never left which means everything I've done after the time skip is null.
Chaos is alive still.
Hell never HAD a challenge because Ingrounded!Hikaru never talked to Radical so Radical would still be alive as Hikaru!Subgrounded never got rescued from Hell.
Fun.
I guess that's all null.
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Your opinion has been noted, anyone else feel this should be nulled?
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Not nulled. I've never said nulled, myself.
TWEAKED, on the other hand, is a much more reasonable idea.
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That entire post was sarcasm in making a point that letting majority overrule things written in stone is STUPID.