Shattered Planes Archives (Seasons 4 & 5)
The Board => Archive => Void => Topic started by: Admiral Regis Hermitage on May 30, 2011, 06:00:17 PM
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Happy Memorial Day! If you don't celebrate, then you're a Terrorist and a Communist... that it all
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Your local forum's Right wing extremist.
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Or we just don't dabble in politics?
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Or, you just dont appreciate the freedom that people have died for to protect. -_-
Today is to honor the POWs, MIA, and KIA troops lost in the line of duty. Ergo, if you dont honor them, you're a fucking terrorist pinko commie bastard. XD
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They didn't have to die to protect us. America interferes with everything. Had America never went and had to act like a self proclaimed savior to every country out there, we wouldn't be in these wars. Like Iraq. Saddam wasn't against us at first, it's because we had to go and stop his regime that he decided "FUCK AMERICA!"
So, no, I do not honor the soldiers. Because it's their own damn fault they're dying on the front lines. They didn't have to sign up.
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So, you think that we should let tyranny just run rampant throughout the world? Let some Muslim Terrorist mother fucker acquire some nukes and blow up the fucking world?
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Yet again. He wasn't against us until we interfered. What he does with his country is his problem. Why should we have to care what happens to people over in another country that's none of our concern?
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1. Look at the past. There are several instances where we actually are the intruders, and part of the problem and not the solution.
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To be fair, the war in Iraq was somewhat due to another war we fought in about 20 years ago. Hik is right, if we didn't fight in that war, we wouldn't likely be in this one.
That being said, whats done is done, and there's been a couple changes in the presidency since then. Not every soldier would agree with the war that started this one, hell, not every soldier would agree with this one. However, this war was technically started as a defense, if I remember correctly-It was a retaliation for the Trade Center attacks. We invaded in a attempt to stop them from leading more terrorist attacks on our country, so you cant really blame every soldier for whats going on. Soldiers are people, they're all different, and Im very sure that there are at least a few who share your opinion Hik, while there are some that dont. as for this...
"They didn't have to sign up."
You are right, they didn't have to sign up. But think of it this way-Had nobody signed up, America would be without a armed force, which in the world of today, equals a easy takeover. There are soldiers who fought in the war not expecting to have to ever go outside the US in their lives, and many are just following orders. Remember that many of them DID actually sign up to keep you safe from other armies, and many still do. They simply dont control where they're deployed, and once you've signed up for service(or get drafted into it, which by law still can happen, even if its currently not necessary), you cant just opt out because your country went to war. As well, some people might not have felt they had a choice in signing up, if they didn't have the money for college, for example. Just saying, its not all black and white. More often than not, there're several shades of gray mixed in as well.
Just me giving my impartial opinion-'Least, as impartial as I can make it.
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Alright... Look at it this way Hawk, and Hik.
Flashback to WWII. Japan attacks pearl harbor! America decides that we should be little pussies and not go to war. 2 months later, we'd see a Japanese fleet off the west coast and we'd all probably be speaking Japanese right now, and barely be free.
Or, think of it this way. Sudam the towel head acquires some WMDs (Which did happen). Or Al-kadea gets some. In the koran, it strictly says to kill infidels at any chance. Muslims count us as infidels like MAJORLY. Say we do nothing about it. We all get fucked, and die.
The least you can fucking do is honor the fallen who have protected your right to be free and live in america. Without them, you'd be living in some dictatorship under what ever country decided to take us. So, really. If yall dont like America, or dont even have to decency to respect the troop, then GTFO of the country. Go try some of the other ones out. Go to Africa and get ethnically cleansed. Or go to Asia and live in a communism, or go to South America and get kidnapped and killed by a drug cartel or go to Europe and live under their liberal laws. Then come back and complain....
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In the koran, it strictly says to kill infidels at any chance.
No it doesn't. It does in the twisted version. But actually go look up the muslim religion, we studied it in World History class. There's a lot more freedoms in the Koran than most. And Islam was founded on VERY VERY different principles than what terroism shows as. So, no, it does not say that. Only those people made it seem that way. So to say they'd have attacked us is just an assumption.
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There's a lot more freedoms in the Koran than most.
Freedoms? Riiiiiight. I cant look at women, eat pork, drink, i get to kill my wife if she fucks up, or kill my daughters if they fuck up. Sounds like an awesome fucking religion that doesnt approve of violence. (Sarcasm)
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Again, as Hik said, thats a corrupted version. The core religion doesn't have any of that, however, the 'Muslims' in those countries aren't using the core religion. Hik is right on this one, L-Rage, Muslims aren't any more prone to violence than christians. Its just they're making stuff up and calling it by that name, when in reality its much different.
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Alrighty.... How do you explain this? This may hit a little close to home Hik. A little over a year ago about a girl your age...
http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2010-03-31/news/honor-thy-father-muslim-honor-killing-in-phoenix-arizona/ (http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2010-03-31/news/honor-thy-father-muslim-honor-killing-in-phoenix-arizona/)
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You know...
Aladdin was muslim too. And apart from Jasmine having to be arranged marriage (which happens in any royalty.) I didn't see any violence there towards females there.
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Again-In the middle east, where it says they came from, the 'Muslim' religion is not the same as the traditional Muslim religion. At my house, for example, to differentiate between the two, there's the Muslim religion, and the 'Radical Muslim' religion, because we dont consider it the same at all. The father who killed his daughter was more likely than not of the radical variety.
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Hikaru... Thats an AMERICAN Disney movie. It wasnt made to be religeously accurate AT ALL! If they had portrayed violent acts against women in that movie, they wouldnt be able to market it to kids and wouldnt be able to gross the amount of money that it did... and Hiro, read the entire thing its like 7 pages long.
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Yeah...Alright...I've read it. So? As I said, they weren't probably of the traditional Muslim religion. Im tellion you, L-Rage, there isn't just one uniform Muslim religion...There are those who practice what your saying, and those who practice something almost entirely different.
As for the Disney movie, L-Rage, it, like many other one Disney movies, is based upon a story from another culture. Aladdin is both a Disney movie and a Arabic Folk Tale, and to the best of my knowledge(I'll be fair, I haven't actually read the original story the Disney version was based off of), neither have those such acts.
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I meant the story, not the movie.
And I read the article, I agree with Hiro. It wasn't the traditional muslim religion that that prophet of theirs Muhammad first started. It's a version that's become corrupt over the years so the males can get their way. The original one had woman protected, the veil being a way to let them stay pure so other men would not look at them and taint them. But that changed over the years.
Also, they were in America, and kept to that corrupt version. We're talking about the ones still in their country.
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But the majority of them follow the corrupt version...
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Actually, there's a pretty decent sized population in the US of whom are Muslims, of the traditional variety. True, the majority of them in the middle east follow the corrupted version, but not so in the US. As for that...This entire line of conversation was in response to you saying about the Koran not giving freedoms, which the original Koran does. Juuust saying.
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Traditional muslims are not violent, and yes I do know this because I have personally read a copy of the traditional Koran and have spoken at length with traditional muslims. Rage, you need to keep a more open mind. Do remember that no government actually tells its people the truth. What we see regarding the events overseas are half-truths, with large gaps filled in with supposition by the media.
America is nowhere near as great as you hail it to be. We are quickly becoming that which you say the armed forces are preventing us from becoming, despite their efforts. Open your eyes, question absolutely everything and everyone. The Armed Forces, as they are right now, are a waste of resources and lives. It needs completely new management, a complete reorganization, rebudgeting, refitting and re-training. Those who sign up into the current armed forces are wasting their lives and limbs.
As for fighting wars we aren't a part of, I agree with Hik. We have too many problems right here on our own damn doorstep to be directing our attention overseas. Let the rest of the entire United friggen Nations handle it, they have plenty enough forces after all. Fix yourself before you attempt to fix others. We can't even decide on what marriage is, let alone handle more complicated issues like terrorism. Stop being such a fucking fanboy and take a look around.
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Everything can't be solved by talking and using the UN... as long as mankind exists, there will be war. There is no such thing as world peace. It is unfortunate that we live in this flawed world, but its true. Why not be at the top of warfare? Why not use it for good? Now, I'm a big believer in the Government, but I do believe in the Armed forces. There are people who have died for your freedom..... the least you can do is honor them. Otherwise, its really just ungrateful.
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Lock? Clearly this thread is generating flaming, and nothing is being done about it.
/me realizes this is backseat modding, and will happily take the warning.
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No one is flamming... we're having a debate.