Shattered Planes Archives (Seasons 4 & 5)
The Hub => Hangout => Contests and Games => Topic started by: Zero on August 03, 2011, 11:59:28 AM
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Post up ideas to kill the sage three here.
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Cuff them with AMI cuffs, keep them in an AMI field, and execute them however you wish. I'm sorry though, Hawk, but I'm not giving you AMI cuffs.
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Won't work on Hikaru and K2323 since Hikaru came up with that one technique in prison. Try again! ;)
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Kidnap a Templar. Rig up a device to siphon the temporal energies, and allow use by a mortal. Rewind Hikaru to her pre-prison condition, then shoot her with AM in both chest and heart, do something to stop her from reincarnating. Repeat the process on K2323.
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Hikaru could still come up with the technique, rewound or not... she came up with it once, she could come up with it again. I mean, you shoot her with an AM dart, and she'll definitely use spirit energy, around magic or not. Final defense. AND if she did use her spirit and die, she wouldn't die, she'd become ingrounded. Such is the subgrounded state. You lose.
Try this...
It's the obvious. Who can defeat the Sage Three? The Sage Three! What have they always had trouble with? Fighting amongst themselves. Cause them to have arguments and fight themselves and have them kill each other. Of course.. they'd still become Ingrounded. But eh.
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Yes, that would work. Only a way to kill an Ingrounded would then be needed.
So clone or fake the sage three, have the fakes/clones attack the real ones, but not the same clone against the same person. Have Kai attack Hik, have Hik attack K2, and have K2 attack Kai.
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The AMI in the sages vein would neutralize any magic that came into contact with the AMI running through their veins. The only way she could save her magic would be to stop her blood from flowing, and then withhold magic inside her.
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...A clone would not have the same amount of power.
I'm saying to cause in-fighting between the three. As they say, "United we stand, divided we fall."
And no, Nik. Spirit Energy is put around the magic, encasing it. Even if you put the AMI in the blood stream, the magic it comes in contact with would have a layer of spirit energy around it protecting it. Like an orange, Spirit energy is the peel, magic is the core. Can't touch the core without going through the peel.
The tactic was used against Gaser's own AM Fluid injections which is basically the same stuff as yours. It works.
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But to use the magic, it needs to come out of the core. Say you blast someone with magical fire, the fire would die out as soon as the magic that created it left the spirit energy. Also, as long as you were kept in an AM field, the magical properties wouldn't heal.
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It doesn't leave the Spirit Energy. You wrap the soul with Spirit Energy, the magic that comes out would have spirit energy around it. You blast? You attack? You cast a spell? Spirit energy is around the entirety of the way. NORMALLY Spirit Energy takes a while to replenish which makes it risky to use spirit energy. However, through this tactic, the magic replenishes the spirit energy and in turn the spirit energy protects the magic, it's a fool proof system except for Anti-Spirit Energy Field which Gaser requested.
And took me a whole topic and weeks to think of. :-\
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Jay Stryder(Not that he'd want to, he likes K2) :P
Also, do you really think you could KIDNAP A TEMPLAR Hawk?
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Well if you knock out the templar, drug him and put him in a machine that harnesses his temporal energies there isn't much he could do against it especially without the sword of the ages or the hook.
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Templars generate Temporal energy on a need be basis; They don't emanate it unless they're in the Elder mode.
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The machine would FORCE him into elder mode, and then use his power to rewind the sage three to before they ever discovered any of their powers at all and then it would use his power to rewind them even further than that, back to the fetus stage where they could be permanently wiped out.
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Sounds like a lot of effort to kill three people.
Plus in the universe there's only one Templar who can reach the Elder mode which is Jay.
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rewind the sage three to before they ever discovered any of their powers at all and then it would use his power to rewind them even further than that, back to the fetus stage where they could be permanently wiped out.
Still wouldn't change the fact they're subgrounded which is decided before they were born... Not to mention the Genesis powers were a birth trait too. OH and the phoenix powers. The Genesis just needed to be unlocked.
Ingrounded fetus I guess? Eww.
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Here's another thing for ya to comtemplate-Considering the Elder state is something unique to the Templars, and Hawk obviously cannot study a Templar in depth, he'd have no way of forcing them into that Elder form.
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What if they died true deaths?
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Cancer. Magical Cancer.
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I've spent the entire RP, nearly five years, trying to kill the Sage Three. I've only made us stronger. Good luuuuck.
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Hmm. Would killing the entire Rp and starting afresh be an option?
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Hmm. Would killing the entire Rp and starting afresh be an option?
No. -.-
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Theres still Magical Cancer to consider. It could even make for a sappy dramedy! I can see it now. The Sage Three are being all Sage Threey and then BAM! Magic Cancer! they try everything they can to stop it, Magic Chemo cracking semi-dark jokes and fighting with each other all the while. Finally they realize that nothing can cure them and, close to death, they lie in their beds, with their to kids with them and they tell they don't care about how long their hair gets in the back, to just keep their bangs short and this is turning into a sort of Terms of Endearment crossover isn't it?
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Um...
Aferlife = MAke a deal with Lucifer or Heaven.
Permanent Death = Subgrounded thus Ingrounded.
Even if you kill them, they're gonna come back or be ultra powerful. ;D
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Jay freezes them then uses as much of his energy as possible to tie the freeze to the end of the universe.
<3
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Of course, once I finally stop being the lazy me I am and finish Virus(or, for the matter, really begin ;_;), I could potentially delete them from existence. Potentially, of course.
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Subgrounding would contradict it...
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Change the capital H to a lowercase h, therefore eliminating the Sage THree.
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Subgrounding would contradict it...
Subgrounding is a anomaly, correct?
Debugging, then!
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I got an idea. Templars can send people back in time right? like make them younger? why not freeze them. Then killing is unnecessary.
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Nik...Jeebus already said that...
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superaging then, since I have no idea what subgrounding is. It sounds like it's forcing someone underground.
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...Age would have no effect... Helllllo! Sage Immortality.
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Sage Immortality locks age, if he can break Sage Immortality (easy), then the sage does die, but then they just go to the afterlife.
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Depends what type of Sage. Phoenix Sages reset the aging clock and would reincarnate, not go to the afterlife.
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Not to mention there're several different kinds of immortality. A person could technically be aged to 1000 years and still live. They'd look like a shrivled up old orange peel, but as long as that Sage has magic flowing through them, they'll be a shrivled orange peel with LIFE!
Plus they could always de-age themselves too so yeah.
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An orange peel could be very weak though. Slice it in half, and then it's all over.
Also, there's got to be some catch to the phoenix sage reincarnation. It can't just die and come back, period. There has to be some sort of circumstances that makes that a factor, or the reverse. Otherwise, I don't see how it could have been approved.
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Uhhh, they get reincarnated to a child form with no memory? I think that's a big enough setback. It was approved because that's the main hing about a Phoenix in any fiction or mythology, its reincarnation from its own ashes. Take that or fire away and it's no longer a Phoenix.
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But still. In the legends if you put out the phoenix wouldn't that keep it from reincarnating?
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Not this one. -.-
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There are ways to kill the Sage Three, but until you guys stop applying logic to this question, you will not find the answer.
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You could shove a phoenix sage up Plex's ...nose. That would do it I think.
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Haha actually, almost. By locking the Sage Three in Plex, their negi would be released, causing huge wars between Sage Three and the negi of the Sage Three. Eventually from so much negative energy though the Sage Three would either become like Orpheus, able to manipulate Plex itself, or their spirits would wither away, but since their subgrounded, they'd somehow stop that.
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still don't know what subgrounded is.
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http://shatteredplanes.com/forum/index.php?topic=2184.msg22539#msg22539
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Sigh And people say time travel and alternate realities are confusing.
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Not confusing. Just that until recently time was locked in-forum.
And as for alternate realities, SP has alternate dimensions, universe, even timelines. You ain't got nothing on the complexity of SP.
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There not confusing. I just said that. This whole state of life thing is though.
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No...You implied that they're VERY confusing.
And oh yeah, everything about SP is. :D
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Sigh And people say time travel and alternate realities are confusing.
I implied that they weren't confusing.
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Incorrect! You implied that they weren't confusing, in comparison to Shattered's states of existence! That is still VERY confusing, by which you implied!
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No, I said people think they are, while implying otherwise, using a formula usually used to imply the reverse, but in this case not.
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You say 'And people think (insert whatever here) is confusing...' in response to something, which implies a comparison due to the manner of which it is phrased. As well, if you are simply implying that they are not actually confusing, without making a comparison to the whatever-is-being-talked-about, it is a awkward change of subject that makes no sense to the current subject being discussed.
In any case, however, this is besides the topic, and we should really stop thread-jacking the topic so that people may discuss again how to kill the Sage Three. Another topic if you wish to continue discussing this, agreed?
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I was just being confusing. Agreed.
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Other than Jeebus's Templars, you can't eliminate us. There! End of topic! ;)
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Wait! Idea! Erase the hard drives and they cease to exist!
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Other than Jeebus's Templars, you can't eliminate us. There! End of topic! ;)
I've already given my own manner which Virus can do so anyways, though. D: True, you are correct he wouldn't IMMEDIATELY know exactly whats with Hikaru/Whoeverelsewouldbesubgrounded, but its not impossible for him to figure it out when he cant kill them normally.
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It still wouldn't kill them.
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Deleting them from existence after 'fixing' the bugs of being Subgrounded back to Normality. . .And they WOULDN'T be dead. . .
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You can't fix the bug dammit. Subgrounding is being BELOW existence. Not affected by existence. You couldn't fix the bug. It's a bug of existence its self, not something a Virus can fix by just making things data. It'd be overpowered to say you could edit and change anything in existence, that'd be equal to an Ingrounded's power, and to be an Ingrounded one has to be VERY limited and only use it for story purposes.
ALSO YOu would not know the person is subgrounded. If you tried to kill them normally and they become an ingrounded, you couldn't then go back and re-fix that. They'd already be DEAD and Ingrounded.
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that'd be equal to an Ingrounded's power, and to be an Ingrounded one has to be VERY limited and only use it for story purposes.
Aaaaaand this is why Administration is a Level 6 ability, which, by the rules of the forum last I checked, is only usable DURING events...Not to mention, with the way he's balanced, you'd also have to pose a Level 6 threat for him to DO so even if it was a event.
ALSO YOu would not know the person is subgrounded. If you tried to kill them normally and they become an ingrounded, you couldn't then go back and re-fix that. They'd already be DEAD and Ingrounded.
Not immediately no, but Im fairly certain at Administration he'd be capable of(though it'd take some time) analyzing his foes...
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Another subgrounded could defeat the Sage Three.
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or Davros' reality bomb.
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Simple! Jump off a huge cliff and land on top of them exploding. Be sure to curse as loud as possible while doing so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVOBNl_28PU
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[17:38] <!K2323> Wait
[17:38] <!K2323> isnt the subgrounded godmoding then?
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[17:38] <!K2323> Wait
[17:38] <!K2323> isnt the subgrounded godmoding then?
No, but cursing before exploding probably is.
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Not immediately no, but Im fairly certain at Administration he'd be capable of(though it'd take some time) analyzing his foes...
It's not something that would show through analysis.
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Nis brought up a very good point. When a subgrounded dies, that should eliminate the contradiction all together, thus they permadie like everyone else and reincarnate.
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It doesn't god dammit! His point isn't good, because that's not how the contradiction and tautology system in it works. I said there was more than one fucking contradiction.
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And if a contradiction is destroyed, there is only one contradiction.
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It wouldn't be destroyed. Killing them is not correcting it. It's adding another one. If you're not going to read all the topics around it, you have no right to speak against it without knowing everything.
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Wait wait wait. So you say that their death is a contradiction because they're also being saved by existence. If we stop existence from saving them, then, they die. Also, I did read all the topics, you just didn't explain it very well.
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No. I'm not explaining it that way. You're completely misinterpreting it.
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Then you didn't explain it clearly.
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Because they are a contradiction, and their death is a contradiction as well. The two contradictions overpower the one tautology. (The absolute truth/conservation law that says nothing can be created or destroyed.) Then them being destroyed would be a contradiction to that law. But because their existence was already a contradiction, it's two contradictions vs the one tautology which causes Irrationality.
The Tautology would try to save them because it says "Hey, this person can't be destroyed, THAT'S AGAINST ME!"
Whereas the two contradictions are like, "But they have to be killed."
Due to irrationality, they would be neither killed or saved, and become neither alive or dead. They would become a paradox, aka Ingrounded.
Okay, then, what makes their death a contradiction?
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I worked out a way to get rid of the contradictions
(http://cultofmac.cultofmaccom.netdna-cdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/phoenix-wright-objection.jpg)
Get Phoenix on the job.
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(http://i.imgur.com/8UL1U.jpg)
But then they'll get Edgeworth on their side. =/
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(http://supermanica.superman.nu/wiki/images/c/c1/Superman_Silver.jpg)
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I think it's just safe to assume that the Sage three can't be killed.
Ever.
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That breaks the rules of the forum. Therefore, no, they gotta die somehow.