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The Hub => The Library [ A R C H I V E ] => Staff Updates => IC Disputes => Topic started by: Admiral Regis Hermitage on November 28, 2011, 06:10:46 AM
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OOC- back up.. how did all of that happen when she and everything else is frozen?
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OOC- back up.. how did all of that happen when she and everything else is frozen?
OOC: Simple Kurai was never really here, you basically just read the mind of something that by merely trying to read it mind will go insane, good thing you did so indirectly, otherwise you'd have a psychotic break philosopher stone. Nice job breaking it hero. As far as why tentacles of what is the sword stand in? Well, that creature appears as the blade while in a normal time stream, however, frozen time is its niche environment and thus only able to move while time is frozen, now anyone else frozen in the time stream is at the mercy of a powerful magic summon. Just give him a it Japanese school girls. Might appease it a bit. Again, nice job breaking it hero.
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OOC- Thats bullshit. That is the real Kurai and Katana. Hikaru has even pretty much said so OOC, and never said that either of them were fake ICQ.
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OOC- Thats bullshit. That is the real Kurai and Katana. Hikaru has even pretty much said so OOC, and never said that either of them were fake ICQ.
OOC: Death of the Author. Look it up. Far as I am concerned, it does fit the character and also is part of a new direction her character is going. Kurai has already been thoroughly characterized o be capable of this kind of underhanded tactics. Additionally, anything Hikaru said OOC in regards to this matter is of little consequence, considering separation of IC and OOC.
Instead of trying to solve this through pointless OOC methods, remain in character and deal with what you have now. If you are incapable of that, you are welcome to doing something else with your life. I'd rather see this be the last objection based on anything Hikaru said OOC about where she was taking the character, because I am taking that into consideration already and that is between Hik and me.
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OOC- bullshit. That was an unannounced and unwarranted change. I'm nulling the topic. EoC.
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((Why don't we get a second opinion? I'd think us three and Hikaru would be too personally involved to make an objective decision.))
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What Cap did was perfectly plausible. I've done magical holograms in the past when K2 had Hikaru in a trap. It was all "SURPRISE HOLOGRAM!" Now overusing it ALL the time, is one thing. But you say that he never said Kurai and katana were fake to begin with. He never said they weren't as well. And do you honestly think Kurai would give the original katana for Halsey to possibly steal or reverse engineer? Hell it's in Kurai may be far different than Hikaru at times, but it doesn't mean she loses all common sense she has. You don't give the original of a one-of-a-kind weapon. You swap them out.
That's for the katana, it not even being Kurai.. I say it's clever and I wouldn't do anything different. ESPECIALLY since you two were both railroading the rest of this topic. Cap's been with me all weekend from Thursday night to Saturday and then Sunday to Monday and now me with him Tuesday, right beside me actually. I have been keeping up with the topic. You didn't even give ONE chance for him to post a response to your attempt to read the mind before you said "auto-work!" That's a form of metagaming as well and is unfair as you didn't even allow 3 days. I for one hate posting order as it slows things down, but to go ahead so far the person doesn't even get a chance to post a defense? No.
Also, Nisorin. Eve would not have even known Kurai's name or anything about her, much less "She's evil halsey! Saaaaaave me halsey!" Sure, you saw security cameras. Kurai enchanged Alexandere through spellwork, not incantation or motions of obviousness that it was an enchantment. There would have been NO outward signs of the spell whatsoever. Just the BDSM advances on Alexandere and his undying loyalty after that. But come on, there exists a night club and you're telling me Eve has never seen BDSM and males falling into being seduced by females before? I highly doubt that. Seducing in its self is not bad. The spell was. But Eve could not have known the spell.
Therefore I call the rest of this damn topic from when Nisorin entered it, metagaming.
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I still say I'd like to get an outside opinion on the matter.
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Agreed...
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The hologram seems cheap. As does Eve suddenly appearing for no reason and pretty much ruining what was up until then a VERY good bit of roleplay.
With that I would infact say that both things would go through, given if not it's basically a cover-all death sentence for Kurai which is pretty much unavoidable given False Heaven's nature.
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So, what do you suggest.
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So, what do you suggest.
Jeebus just said what he suggested. Both things go through as in, your and Nis' railroading meta-posts, and my post.
So, go post an IC responds.
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Nisorin, are you okay with this?
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Not much I can do about it. I still find the whole thing overplayed, but no one's gonna let me do anything about it.
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If you were able to do something about that then I could call out your railroading Cap into your way. You didn't even give him the three days before you all posted ahead. It may not be a battle but it's close to one.
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For my two cents, last I recall the three-day rule applies to any action taken against a character/territory, not just in battle. Elsewise you could steal something from the other character without giving them a chance to fight back, as a example, since theft isn't battle. Seriously, even if you did continue on, you should've waiting for him to post whether or not you were actually able to infiltrate the character's mind.
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Its false heaven and everything was frozen. Not much he could post.
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Even so, L-Rage, you still have to give him a fair chance. There is no absolute, and if nothing else, minds have been shielded before in this RP from outside intrusion. The situation doesn't matter, you are only allowed to skip them and post it simply happened if they dont respond within four days.
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May be a bit late, but Hikaru used holograms all the time so it stands to reason Kurai would do the same. While it is a somewhat cheap tactic it has been ruled in the past as valid.
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May be a bit late, but Hikaru used holograms all the time so it stands to reason Kurai would do the same. While it is a somewhat cheap tactic it has been ruled in the past as valid.
Also, what Kurai did was infinitely more devious and creative in comparison to holograms.
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And now 3 days can be called by Cap. Jeebus gave his two cents and solved it and still you refuse to post. That's not a dispute, that's just plain stalling.
If you lose False Heaven it'll be your own damn fault now.
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We havent all agreed to it... Nisorin still has to put in his own agreement to the solution.
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It does not matter if Nisorin agrees to it or not.
It was called to a dispute and OOC battle.
Second opinion was asked by staff. (Myself and Jeebus)
Mine was not accepted due to it being 'personal,' (nice excuse there.)
So Jeebus decided it.
With comment from both K2 and Red
Are you going to argue with most of staff?
Whether Nisorin agrees matters not as it was decided by staff what happens.
If Nisorin disagreed he would just be stalling and trying to get his away due to being unable to accept the outcome.
Or are you going to be a hypocrite and say once a staff member decides a dispute it can still be disputed till you get your way? If so it's hypocrisy as I've lost many disputes due to it being solved by staff whether or not I agreed or not.
If we had to follow that before than you're not different. YOU'RE NOT SPECIAL.
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Im still debating on how any of those summons could happen when EVERYTHING was frozen.
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Im still debating on how any of those summons could happen when EVERYTHING was frozen.
It was explained clearly. If you don't understand, it's your own damn fault.
Here's something, how did you even freeze time?
Whether or not I'm playing Asura, the embodiment of time still doesn't allow people to fuck with time, epoch circles or not.
Let's add that to the fact Nisorin metagamed with Eve.
You both Railroaded Cap, etc.
You want to debate the summon that makes perfect sense? Then debate all your own damn RP rule breaks.
End the debate now and accept the answer, or 3 day rule is called for stalling.
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We've all concluded that both parties were at fault... but unless Asura was there to contest the command on the circles, then its valid. Nowhere does it say that time cannot be messed with. It only says that an embodiment can override a command that is their domain while in FH.
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We've all concluded that both parties were at fault... but unless Asura was there to contest the command on the circles, then its valid. Nowhere does it say that time cannot be messed with. It only says that an embodiment can override a command that is their domain while in FH.
Actually, in the past, she's stopped ANY spells that mess with time once she obtained her powers back. It was the only way to control time godmodding when Time was unlocked. She doesn't have to be there to say "NO FUCKING WITH TIME" Spell no work." Go check the past posts where Hawk's spells and others were stopped ;D
And you just said it you've concluded both were at fault. Staffs decision. Therefore ACCEPT IT, and post or face 3-days. There's nothing left to freakin' dispute.
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just re-read my post... i didnt freeze time. I SEEMINGLY froze time. I froze everything in place, which can appear to be messing with time, while in reality, it isnt.
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To Time it would be fucking with time. At least when I was playing her, it was.
EITHER WAY, again. There is nothing left to dispute.
The decision was solved by Jeebus, K2, Red, and Myself. Enough people to give a stupid second opinion.
Now get on with it, damn.
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Explain to me, how it can happen, then i will accept it.
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He explained it in post already -.-,
It wasn't really Kurai, and the katana was switched out after it was stolen from Inari.
Both are summons. Not summon where they need to be summoned, they're already summoned just taking different form.
The katana summon is frozen in its false form (even though you shouldn't be able to fuck with time.) But the Kurai summon exists in a world where time is frozen therefore frozen time is its nature and time being unfrozen would make it assume the false form. Because you froze it, it assumed its true form due to its nature. It's used to frozen time basically.
I think that's how he explained it...
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But time isnt frozen... Time is still moving forward even though the station is frozen. If they were frozen at 8:00 GST, and they stayed frozen for about 20 minutes, itd be 8:20 GST. Time isnt frozen, but if one were to have the ability to walk around the station at this time, they could make an assumption that it is, but time is most definitely moving forward.
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Time in the area is.
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I think I would be the one who knows whether or not time is frozen. If I freeze the station, time doesn't freeze unless specifically stated. People can be frozen along with their freedoms without the need to freeze time.
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Explain to me, how it can happen, then i will accept it.
Simple, the creature that is moving natural environment is what you just caused. If you returned everything to normal the creature would again appear to be just Hikaru kantana. thus open up the more powerful of the two to attack, the one acting as Kurai.
Kurai was never there, this was more of a reveal than anything happening while things were frozen. Heck, the very act of freezing things was the mistake, except Eve and Halsy no one else can defend themselves. Nice job breaking it hero.
Either post an IC response or far as I am concerned this falls under the 3-day rule. Also, if it feels like a "retcon" post I would feel that is Gmoding.
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I think I would be the one who knows whether or not time is frozen. If I freeze the station, time doesn't freeze unless specifically stated. People can be frozen along with their freedoms without the need to freeze time.
You CANNOT just change the meaning of your post like that.
You had your character even say he froze time, or never thought he would have to freeze time. You posted that clear as day now you're going to try to worm your way out of it by saying you meant something else just to save yourself?
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Right, Lyoko you've been given a second, third and FOURTH opinion. If you cannot accept that what Cap did is viable or if you cannot convince Cap that what he did was NOT viable in the next three days then the result of this conflict ends negatively for both parties involved IC. I'm getting sick of this topic holding up the whole event.
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And you people never thought that maybe, just maybe he was speaking figurativy?
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It is midnight and now the 9th. The warning was posted the 6th...
3 day rule?
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Right, Lyoko you've been given a second, third and FOURTH opinion. If you cannot accept that what Cap did is viable or if you cannot convince Cap that what he did was NOT viable in the next three days then the result of this conflict ends negatively for both parties involved IC. I'm getting sick of this topic holding up the whole event.
Ending negatively for both parties? I can live with that. three day rule.
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Stuff is arising from Epoch circles? I can help!
... Wait, no I can't. You guys basically just covered everything. There are a few situations that can work out differently depending on the use of the circles. This stuff deals with Asura and no one else. How the summons work and whatnot is beyond me.
1. The freezing time function
-- Freezing time in a certain area in an Epoch circle is indeed one of it's functions. However, as Asura is the embodiment of time, her power overrides anything to do with time the Epoch circles might be mucking with. If Lyoko222 was freezing time, this topic is over with and Cap's actions or whatever go through. However...
2. General freezing function
-- This is the function that is most used by Faote when he still had control of False Heaven, and was such a useful function that it got it's own shortcut command to the function. This basically freezes particles/atoms/energy in place, while allowing other certain particles to move. This explains how those frozen can still speak. Time is not being mucked with here, the kinetic energy or how particles/atoms/whatever move is. In the case that Asura would try to override this, it would not happen. Something like an embodiment of energy or movement or Heat (Heh, an embodiment that won't exist.) would be needed to override this.
I probably screwed things up even further with this post, but it goes back to how the 'freezing' was applied. If time was frozen, Asura overrides it. If it was just frozen in general, not so much.
If that's out of the way, it seems you guys still have a dispute with the summons.
... Man, I'm super glad I gave FH away. I dun wanna deal with all of these events. :?
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So the question now is does Lyoko lose since he said froze time or is he gonna pull that "Well I didn't mean that because now it's not allowed and I wanna metagame" stance?
I say it's been freakin' long enough, just end the damn argument now. And Lyoko shouldn't be able to change the meaning of his post just because he doesn't like the outcome.
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According to a PM I got from Cap, his summons go through.
Man, if Faote was still in charge, he wouldn't even hold events and whatnot like these... xD
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Alright... i was really just waiting for Zai's take on it. I'll bloody post.
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Alright... i was really just waiting for Zai's take on it. I'll bloody post.
Too late. Three day rule has been called. You've had over 7+ days. It's over.
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Alright... i was really just waiting for Zai's take on it. I'll bloody post.
Too late. Three day rule has been called. You've had over 7+ days. It's over.
I may be bias, but I agree. The was nothing to dispute to begin with...
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Sorry Lyoko, think 3 day rule does apply, you did have staff concensus days ago. Thanks to Zai. For helping resolve the matter anyway.
That said, Cap's last action is considered valid. Can we move on with the event now?
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I did say if no post was made in three days there would be negativity for both.
In this case, Kurai did get away however FH now does have records of her intent but NOT of Kuro(If he's still there).
On the other side, Kurai is now clued in on what her clone illusion thingy heard.
There.
Can we PLEASE move on to the next fucking day?
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Yes. This is done.
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In regards to these three posts:
http://shatteredplanes.com/forum/index.php?topic=4690.msg43492#msg43492
http://shatteredplanes.com/forum/index.php?topic=4690.msg43504#msg43504
http://shatteredplanes.com/forum/index.php?topic=4690.msg43713#msg43713
Log with Cap (he was on Hik's account):
(3:01:12 PM) wolfboy2323: I'll post in the OOC thread
(3:01:26 PM) Gina: I didn't ignore Eve's counter.
(3:01:36 PM) Gina: Hasey didn't have a real counter.
(3:02:36 PM) Gina: If doesn't explain how he escaped the summon then obviously he didn't escape. I countered what was trying to save Eve.
(3:03:00 PM) wolfboy2323: http://shatteredplanes.com/forum/index.php?topic=4690.msg43504#msg43504 he didn't explain how he countered, which is bad, but you should have responded then with an OOC comment asking how he counters, because he did counter none the less
(3:03:07 PM) wolfboy2323: it's not a big deal or anything
(3:03:14 PM) wolfboy2323: but still it presents a problem now
(3:03:35 PM) Gina: that would be OOC affecting IC. No way would I ask him to clarify.
(3:04:16 PM) Gina: HE didn't explain how thus the only way to make it have IC sense is dream logic, IE why it was only an illusion
(3:04:44 PM) wolfboy2323: eh, I disagree as he posted that he did counter, but none the less some form of negative action needs to be inflicted on Halsey because he didn't specify
(3:05:20 PM) Gina: Halsey is dead, if not deader than dead... and if the summon dies Eve dies. sooo.
Okay so let's get this wrapped up quickly.
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Actually, i was railroaded into the mirror... Cap posted that i was already in it without giving me a chance to counter in the first place. So, i made a quick post about countering it, since i was never given the original chance.
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Actually, i was railroaded into the mirror... Cap posted that i was already in it without giving me a chance to counter in the first place. So, i made a quick post about countering it, since i was never given the original chance.
First, its not a mirror, but mirror like flesh that was encasing Halsey. As in the the flesh is reflective like a mirror He had his chance to counter, he could of tried ripping at the flesh, or attempting to teleport, or any of the many established methods or a as of yet unthought of methods of counters. There was no railroading, however, when Lyoko post what amounts yo an auto-dodge I count that as a wasted counter thus my post goes through.
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I want another admin's view on this.
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Can we please get another admin's opinion on this?
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You know what, its supposed to be S5 tomorrow and this is ridiculous. How about this, I am going to write up a "ending post", if the second admin agrees it'll be the end of the topic so we can move on to the time skip. I understand that its hard to lose a character and that its natural to react negatively. However, in this case both of you have failed to role-play their survival and ever single one of my posts has been written in a valid manner. Both of you have not given a real way to escape their fates. Thus both of them die. However, thanks to what Foate's doing, in this post all three will die. False Heaven is completely gone, tragic yes, however it fit what has been going on and paves the way for S5. Eve and Halsey were at the epicenter of this catastrophe. What both of you tried did not save them from it, Lyoko especially may as well have done nothing.
In the terms of DnD, time to re-roll a character.