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The Hub => Requests => Build Your Technology => Topic started by: Capxeno on February 21, 2012, 03:16:33 AM
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Collective pudding production industrial complex
The Collective has collected data on its trade partners commtial habits. Pudding has shown to be a multipurpose product. From desert, to break up therapy, to magic attacks, pudding is a omniuseful product. Thus the Collective using Fold warp technology has designed a complex and secret processes of pudding production, creating a pudding of unrivaled richness and flavor. This pudding is to be shipped in over 9069 flavors, and in two consumer targets. "Normal" and "Adult." Normal is just that normal pudding, perfect for cumsumtion by all. Adult is an alcololic, nicotine, and aphrodisac containing version of pudding, complete with health warning labels.
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YES! =D Approved!
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Merdi: plural Merd: singular
Now currently in use as a basic currency of the Collective, requesting its more complex properties.
The Merd appears to be a swirl of emerald and Black coloration. These Coins appear to be glass flecks of some kind. However, these glass flecks are held within a case lining their edge, that has a microscopic power source. This power source allows for a small AM field around only the coin. The reason for this is, that These Glass fleck shatter when magic is applied to them, this is a security measure to prevent accidental loss of a Merd. This field also prevents normal physical shattering of the Merd
However, this means, should you attempt to use magic to multiply a Merd, it is impossible, you would shatter it into a billion pieces by applying magic to it. You see the structure of a Merd's existence is extremely fragile, any attempt to alter or copy it would just undo it very structure, it wouldn't even be a Merd anymore in composition after shattering.
thus magical counterfeiting is impossible, even scientific counterfeiting is theoretically impossible. The Merdi known to exist is natural occurring deep in the core of the Marid Homeworld.
The Merd is the basic currency of the Marid Collective, and thus any lower middle class and above citizen of any trade partners of the Marid Collective would have at least a Merd or two laying around.
Mr/Merd
Elemental group: 19 Ignoble gas
Atomic Number: 240
Classification: Merd is a Ignoble gas and amorphous solid
Color: Emeraldish-Black
State: Solid
Melting point: 23 oC
Boiling point: 63 oC
Shells: 230, 407, 80
Electron configuration: [Mr] 4f10 5d17 6s27 4p83
Density @ 20oC: 1.53 g/cm3
Atomic Mass: 616835.3200 g/mol
Atomic Weight: 8649
Structure: bcc: body-centered cubic
Hardness: 0.00001 mohs
Ignoble gas:
An element that is extremely sensitive to anything reacting to its atomic structic, and if so will react by distablising into many other elements.
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I stand by what I said before. Any currency is futile with magic around. AM field or no AM Field it CAN STILL be multiplied. I've already got several ways thought up.
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... Not the problem Hikaru, you apply Magic to it, its no longer Merd...
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Who says you apply magic TO it?
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Who says you apply magic TO it?
Cannot be duplicated by magic.
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I call BS to that.
As long as you can see it with your eyes you can simply use a spell to bring molecules together in the likeness of it and copy whatever the item has without applying magic to it. Then so it doesn't have magic in it you simply draw the magic out of the spell you used to make it. As long as one has eyes to see they can copy it.
ANYTHING can be copied if given long enough method and trying to say it can't is limiting the creative possibility of one who can think of it.
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I call BS to that.
As long as you can see it with your eyes you can simply use a spell to bring molecules together in the likeness of it and copy whatever the item has without applying magic to it. Then so it doesn't have magic in it you simply draw the magic out of the spell you used to make it. As long as one has eyes to see they can copy it.
ANYTHING can be copied if given long enough method and trying to say it can't is limiting the creative possibility of one who can think of it.
Go read the request itself.
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I did. You're not touching it with magic or using magic even near it. You're studying it by sight and recreating it through magic. You can't say it falls apart just because magic is near it or it'd always fall apart as magic is EVERYWHERE. So to say it would not work by recreating through sight and magic away from it, along is saying the impossible.
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I did. You're not touching it with magic or using magic even near it. You're studying it by sight and recreating it through magic. You can't say it falls apart just because magic is near it or it'd always fall apart as magic is EVERYWHERE. So to say it would not work by recreating through sight and magic away from it, along is saying the impossible.
It falls apart because you messing with it period. For the same reason Even science would have a bishing time recreating it.
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I did. You're not touching it with magic or using magic even near it. You're studying it by sight and recreating it through magic. You can't say it falls apart just because magic is near it or it'd always fall apart as magic is EVERYWHERE. So to say it would not work by recreating through sight and magic away from it, along is saying the impossible.
It falls apart because you messing with it period. For the same reason Even science would have a bishing time recreating it.
BS, Then just handling it would make if fall apart. Do you play with your money? I do. Stack them from big to small and spin the coins round the table. If this was true they'd have fallen apart then. There is no way the 'coin' could tell if you were looking at it/studying it by sight vs just playing with it and reading what it says because you were CURIOUS (Quarter text anyone?)
It'd have to be sentient to tell one vs the other. So unless it's so delicate one can't play with it or even HANDLE it thus making it useless to even use, it can be copied by sight -.-
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Kinda the point a special field to prevent it from breaking....
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IC Disputes for you two?
:/
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I call BS to that.
As long as you can see it with your eyes you can simply use a spell to bring molecules together in the likeness of it and copy whatever the item has without applying magic to it. Then so it doesn't have magic in it you simply draw the magic out of the spell you used to make it. As long as one has eyes to see they can copy it.
ANYTHING can be copied if given long enough method and trying to say it can't is limiting the creative possibility of one who can think of it.
Well Actually, we haven't let anyone duplicate the universal currency in the SP. Due to the drastic affects that it could cause on the universal economy. So i actually think that the duplication of currency should be banned from the game.
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Umm... I have duplicated it? If it can be duplicated IC then you can't say it can't OOC or that'd be metagaming. Setting an OOC limit to something that can easily be broken IC.
And Cap, then it would prevent it from breaking when trying to recreate your own.
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Hik, we've blocked it from happening more times than not.
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And that's stupid. Who cares about the economy? If it can be duplicated by magic then you can't ban it OOC as it's limiting something that can happen IC. Currency is stupid with magic as ANYONE can duplicate it with a basic multiplication spell. It's common first level magic.
And so then why aren't I warned? I've duplicated it/created it/materialized it many times.
ESPECIALLY in trading. Hikaru's given materialized bags of money tons.
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Because this is an RP! the economy is something we should have really incorporated into the empire building elements of it. The economy is just as important as having planets, magic, and technology to the RP. All because you dont share the same thoughts about it, doesnt make it less important.
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Because this is an RP! the economy is something we should have really incorporated into the empire building elements of it. The economy is just as important as having planets, magic, and technology to the RP. All because you dont share the same thoughts about it, doesnt make it less important.
That does not excuse metagaming. Unless you have an IC reason why currency can't be duplicated (and it being a law doesn't count rebels) then banning it OOC is first and foremost METAGAMING.
Also, another reason it couldn't be a law. No one owns existence or the whole dimension. Different empires and people are free to do what they want.
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We'd be banning it for the good of the roleplay.
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That doesn't matter Lyoko. It's still metagaming and still not a law I personally would follow as there is no IC reason you can give me. We don't need an economy. We've done fine since the beginning without one.
*snaps fingers and a bag of cash appears* Now if only it worked IRL..
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What ever Hikaru... You're going to think what ever you're going to think. I'm not going to argue with you about it.
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Umm... I have duplicated it? If it can be duplicated IC then you can't say it can't OOC or that'd be metagaming. Setting an OOC limit to something that can easily be broken IC.
And Cap, then it would prevent it from breaking when trying to recreate your own.
Naturally occurring. Its a finite a normally useless resource, the whole reason its being used as a currency is its unite properties.
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You can't say one act of handling it would break it when another world not unless again, it's sentient. It can't read the intentions of the one handling it and why they're handling it. It as a coin has NO WAY of knowing you're recreating it if the magic is not done to it.
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You can't say one act of handling it would break it when another world not unless again, it's sentient. It can't read the intentions of the one handling it and why they're handling it. It as a coin has NO WAY of knowing you're recreating it if the magic is not done to it.
Again, its doesn't get duplicated... its a naturally occurring and is delicately mined and then placed in the tiny fields to prevent it from shattering in day to day use as currency.
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You can't say magic can't duplicate it. IT'S not getting duplicated. IT'S not being touched with magic whatsoever. You're only looking at it like say.. a penny on the desk and recreating it in the air before you through using the magic to bring molecules together in its shape and craft.
ALSO it's contradicting. You say there's an AM field to prevent it from being shattered by magic naturally. YET you say you can't apply magic to it. If there's an AM field then the magic applied to it would not touch it due to the AM field. AM fields are absolute they do not choose and pick which magic or intentions of the magic to destroy it destroys any. So it would destroy your magic attempt to duplicate it, but it would not shatter because it wouldn't be touched by magic to begin with.
However that does not destroy an attempt to recreate it away from the source.
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Recreate it from the source and its shatters from being to fragile to recreate artificially.
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You can't designate that. There's tons of ways to recreate and make sure it doesn't shatter if you draw the magic out of it and put your own thing around it. Maybe not an AM field like yours. But you can't say in every possibility it would shatter. There's infinite possibilities.
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You can't designate that. There's tons of ways to recreate and make sure it doesn't shatter if you draw the magic out of it and put your own thing around it. Maybe not an AM field like yours. But you can't say in every possibility it would shatter. There's infinite possibilities.
Infinite ways it can break.
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Infinite way sit can be duplicated. Infinite possibilities, infinite timelines where it broke, infinite timelines where it succeeded. Multiverse, remember? It CAN be duplicated, end of discussion.
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Nope, only infinite ways it can be shattered, no way it can artificially created.
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WRONG.
MULTIVERSE, there's infinite possibilities for everything as long as every action or choice by every being in existence can be branched out. I've sat here explaining ways it can be duplicated, through multiverse there's infinite more ways. You CANNOT designate that there are not as that'd be designating something not in anyone's power to designate.
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Again, if you try to duplicate, its too fragile. You are trying to make a 109 year old women with with a thousand different types of end stage cancer to run a five hundred billion light Marathon, with kleets. She is dead. Period. She never made it out of bed in a single one of the multiverses.
Even if you did manage to do it, you'd have to be a lv 9000 mage, and you'd only duplicate the Merd once and the duplicate would be Longcat-grounded.
Not possible to duplicate.
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It's still possible. There's no reason it should not be possible. It's a basic LVL1 spell. Again, sight, draw out magic, encase in something to keep it together or hell just put it in a bigger AM field while you duplicate that one you created or find a better surface to put around it.
ALSO let's go off the things we haven't touched. Spirit Energy and Psi, neither are magic and both can be used to cast a duplication spell.
Problem solved.
Won't approve the request till you admit that it is possible it can be duplicated as nothing is impossible on SP.
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It's still possible. There's no reason it should not be possible. It's a basic LVL1 spell. Again, sight, draw out magic, encase in something to keep it together or hell just put it in a bigger AM field while you duplicate that one you created or find a better surface to put around it.
ALSO let's go off the things we haven't touched. Spirit Energy and Psi, neither are magic and both can be used to cast a duplication spell. Spirit and Psi wouldn't ahve pretty mush the same problem.
Problem solved.
Won't approve the request till you admit that it is possible it can be duplicated as nothing is impossible on SP.
You'd just shattered the original and the duplicate, and the dust wouldn't even be Merd substance anymore...
Not through Magic, I said Science would have a bitching hell ass time, not impossible... but maybe. And it would take a few eons of artificially created environments.
Only way to duplicate is Science + Planet sized lab space + eons of time.
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It's still possible. There's no reason it should not be possible. It's a basic LVL1 spell. Again, sight, draw out magic, encase in something to keep it together or hell just put it in a bigger AM field while you duplicate that one you created or find a better surface to put around it.
ALSO let's go off the things we haven't touched. Spirit Energy and Psi, neither are magic and both can be used to cast a duplication spell.
Problem solved.
Won't approve the request till you admit that it is possible it can be duplicated as nothing is impossible on SP.
You'd just shattered the original and the duplicate, and the dust wouldn't even be Merd substance anymore...
It has no reason to shatter the original. YOU DID NOT TOUCH THE ORIGINAL WITH MAGIC OR ANYTHING. AGAIN!
STEP FUCKING 1: Look at the damn thing, memorize its construction.
STEP FUCKING 2: Recreate through magic.
STEP FUCKING 3: Put the NEW creation in a AM FIELD to keep it together. It wouldn't shatter it as you didn't make it from magic you just USED magic to make it. It's like making clothing from magic. Why does the clothing not disappear in an AM field? It wasn't MADE OF magic, it was made FROM magic through using magic to control the molecules to come together into a solid.
STEP FUCKING 4: Find something to put around the newly created coin while in the AM FIELD, but DO NOT touch it until you find such a thing.
STEP FUCKING 5: DO OVER.
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ALSO let's go off the things we haven't touched. Spirit Energy and Psi, neither are magic and both can be used to cast a duplication spell.
Problem solved.
Won't approve the request till you admit that it is possible it can be duplicated as nothing is impossible on SP.
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Magic is impossible. It would break it. PERIOD. Spirit and PSI SAME ISSUE. Applying these special powers to its structure would destabilizes its structure and it would no longer be Merd.
The process of making it artificially destabilizing it. Trying to make it with in a AM field at all doesn't matter. IT would fall apart like a house of cards.
For Magic to work see: lv 9000 mage, and you'd only duplicate the Merd once and the duplicate would be Longcat-grounded.
Science + Planet Sized lab space + eons of time = Maaaaaayby
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NOT period. You can't say that. You're not using it ON THE ONE YOU HAVE. You're using it to CREATE A NEW ONE DIFFERENT FUCKING STRUCTURE BUT SAME THING. You are not APPLYING THE SPECIAL POWERS TO IT YOU ARE USING THEM AS A TOOL TO CRAFT YOUR OWN.
If this didn't work then them existing wouldn't work to fucking begin with because the AM field part isn't naturally occurring as AM FIELDS AREN'T NATURAL (unless it's Nil or Nihil.) So don't give me the fucking bullshit that magic would destroy it in trying to create and craft your own by memorization and sight unless putting the AM field around the first ones mined did the fucking same thing.
NOT APPROVED until you admit it can be duplicated and yes by a basic lvl 1 because that is a lvl 1 spell. FINAL!
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Well then I guess NOT APPROVED THEN.
Because the point was to have have a non-duplicatable currency.
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*pokes head in* Um... maybe a credit economy?
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Level 6 magic, and only in small quantities, the amount of concentration needed would be ridiculous to prevent it from becoming unstable and just becoming something else, and the energy needed to prevent it from destabilizing after that is ludicrous.
Even then, only if a Marid Merchant can tell if its copies and laugh at the mage for being an idiot counterfeiter.
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It's a level 1 spell and it wpuldn't be counterfeit, so no to the second condition.
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It's a level 1 spell and it wpuldn't be counterfeit, so no to the second condition.
Level 6 and yes to the second, they would know you messed with it, period.
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The mage wouldn't 'mess with it,' they would be making their own in the same form. It wouldn't be counterfeit.
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The mage wouldn't 'mess with it,' they would be making their own in the same form. It wouldn't be counterfeit.
Again, any copies would have to be detectable by the Marid Merchants or hell no. Also, Level 6 spell.
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And I'm saying they wouldn't be detectable or hell no in approval. Lvl1 spell.
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And I'm saying they wouldn't be detectable or hell no in approval. Lvl1 spell.
No, it damn well would be, and its would kill a level one trying.
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No approval then.
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No approval then.
Again, approve and able to be copied means there is no point.
There whole point of this is to have a currency with some damn value.
Level 6 and the Marid can tell, or honestly it doesn't really matter if you approve.
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The mage wouldn't 'mess with it,' they would be making their own in the same form. It wouldn't be counterfeit.
Actually, Hikaru, that would by definition be counterfeit. Whether or not its a GOOD Counterfeit is debatable, but the fact that you're reproducing any form of money would make it a counterfeit.
As for Cap, I do have a problem with it myself. While I do applaud you for attempting to make a stable currency, especially in Shattered of all places, the fact is if it was THAT fragile, the act of holding it would break it to dust. In fact, aside from maaaaybe the Marid, the only way to hold it would be actually WITH magic, in fact, since that's the only way to make precise enough movements to not destroy it.
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That was the point of a special field that holds its. You never directly touch the currency. The field is more then an AM field, its also a special field to prevent you from touching it and breaking it from anything that counts as normal handling of money, but if you get into messing with its composition, you'd destroy the original and the copy.
Also, again. The Marid know their own money... so they'd know any copies. Other traders, I guess maaaybe could be tricked.
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Any sort of matter can be copied and reassembled. It can be frozen in time; scanned; and then easily replicated with technology. Or placed within a field that reinforces atomic/molecular bonds. I could have this "counterfeit-proof" money made in a single damn topic. There are no "can't be done" type of things in this RP, and more often then not any technology that you request that is "fool-proof" will either be denied or proven otherwise.
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Any sort of matter can be copied and reassembled. It can be frozen in time; scanned; and then easily replicated with technology. Or placed within a field that reinforces atomic/molecular bonds. I could have this "counterfeit-proof" money made in a single damn topic. There are no "can't be done" type of things in this RP, and more often then not any technology that you request that is "fool-proof" will either be denied or proven otherwise.
This is more or less what I was gonna say, though I'd like to remind those of you who think an economy where money can be duplicated would fail that there is inflation to account for. If everyone just recreated money prices would only go up until the economy collapses. So it's certainly possible to have an economy in SP, just not for very long -- which brings to question how the Credit, the generally accepted currency by most empires (or at least everyone used to use it, dunno if anyone does anymore) -- works, exactly.
Cap's system wouldn't work. Duplicating would be a level one spell, and would be possible to do without actually using magic on the original, as Hik suggested. Catch-alls don't usually work in this RP. But the question we should ask, while we're here, is how would a true economy work on SP? I like the idea of a credit system (maybe that's how Credits work. They are called Credits after all.). Every citizen/person/whatever has a balance of some sort in a secure location and their transactions result in loss of currency from their balance. More of a debit card, really, rather than a credit card. Just a suggestion.