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The Board => Archive => Void => Topic started by: Logan on February 25, 2012, 04:36:13 PM
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I should totally enter the contest. I mean Logan's power can only defend himself, he can defy the boarders of space. He really couldn't be beat except possibly by an embodiment or a Sage three. Just too bad I don't want to take place in weeks worth of in character fighting.
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DO IT.
There will be twists to the event, so its not just all about fighting.
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Yes but the problem with my character is he is kind of too powerful. He is right on the line between godmod and acceptable. Also I don't have any magic battle experience, which is why his powers can only defend himself. But I can try I guess.
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I mean back when I made him a level 5 was the highest (It was before 6 came out.) and he has the godly ability to stop time all around him on a planet (Which I used to chat with Hawkeye's characters without interference from the guards.) and he can travel from point a to point b without teleporting by creating a tear in the space time to travel. Kind of powerful. Granted as I said, I can only defend myself. He really doesn't have the power to fight.
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I have an embodiment that not only controls heat, stars, fire, etc., but he also has these circles that allow him to defy pretty much every law of existence known to man, so much that it took an entire event to finally kill off the space station that absolutely no one was able to conquer for it's entire lifetime. ... And he entered into a tournament.
Now, I'm not participating in this one, but you get the idea. Don't let something like this hold you back. xD
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Not sure if I should join. If so, I'd prolly enter Bone, Blackout, Cardonis or Arachnid*
Arachnid isn't created yet because his ref sheet isn't finished*
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Yeah, take it from me, if you think it's overpowered, it's probably not. A good rper can destroy a powerful character. My first characters I thought were ordinary. They were maggot-weak. enter if you want, but don't make this a reason not to.
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I mean back when I made him a level 5 was the highest (It was before 6 came out.) and he has the godly ability to stop time all around him on a planet (Which I used to chat with Hawkeye's characters without interference from the guards.) and he can travel from point a to point b without teleporting by creating a tear in the space time to travel. Kind of powerful. Granted as I said, I can only defend myself. He really doesn't have the power to fight.
The time power would not work on SP due to Asura and the Templars... unless you're of Jeebus's race. I don't even know how you had it on GE if you did as Time WAS locked by K2 and Kai. Later it was unlocked and Asura regained her powers but through her and the Templars abuse of it by mages is being prevented. Unless he's extremely powerful he would not be able to do what you are saying he can do except by a few seconds.
If you did have it at any point on SP, I want the topic.
As for the traveling. ANY mage can do that. Hell, I had Hikaru tear through spacetime and tie two dimension together through that tear, but it took all her magic out of her and knocked her out for a long time and she's level 6. Thus for him to do it that easily at lvl 6 with no limits whatsoever and no drainage to the extent she was? I'm gonna have to call BS.
But if that's what you call godmodding powerful?
He really couldn't be beat except possibly by an embodiment or a Sage three.
I'm sorry but... ROFLMFAO. He doesn't stand a chance against many characters and NOT just the Sage Three/Embodiments.
Don't brag or you'll be marked as bad as Orph and his ego. Worse part? Orph can back up his bragging with skill. You? I expect you to die within the first 2 tiers of the tournament.
Edit: Also, just checked. Those powers you mentioned? Aren't even mentioned in your character request ONCE. Hell, it has very little about the character and probably should not have been approved. You said you would bring the Atlantic stuff out in RP so I did approve. You DID NOT mention you had powers that are required of a level 6 in nature. http://shatteredplanes.com/forum/index.php?topic=1414.msg13351#msg13351 I suggest you re-request.
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I'm sorry but... ROFLMFAO. He doesn't stand a chance against many characters and NOT just the Sage
I actually agree with Hik entirely on this one. Everything on SP is overpowered (except for Arcanthros and a select few other things) and this really does seem like a n00b ideal. So, yeah, join the tournament. See if your powerful is as powerful as you think he is.
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Time, despite being locked, could still be traveled through (alternate reality hopping kinda stuff) via an anomaly with Twilight, it happened at least three times within the series. Once with the original coming of future Zirridian, secondly with Mokai, and thirdly in a battle between Present!Zirridian and one of Orph's characters.
But I do suggest you mention this in a re-request of your character.
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He didn't say travel, he said stop/freeze.
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Meh. You could still freeze and just leave the scene.
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No, freezing is bad.
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Que?
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Up until this post (http://shatteredplanes.com/forum/index.php?topic=1655.msg20238#msg20238), time has been "locked"/limited (the embodiment herself couldn't control her own domain) as a result of a post made in 2006 by Kai and I in which our characters locked time itself, because they felt it was the biggest weakness against them. They knew that whoever controlled time could control them, so they used their advanced Genesis Magic to lock time itself. Yes, we actually RPed that topic back in 2006.
Then Hikaru made the embodiment of time sometime in late 2010 and had her find K2323 and Kai and demand that they unlock the chains that they placed on her power. We again roleplayed the UNLOCKING of time as seen at the link above, but the process was so powerful that it caused K2323 and Kai to nearly completely destroy the seals on their souls that the Genesis King's spirit is contained in.
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The freezing was more of a counter measure to insure Hawkeye wouldn't try anything stupid so I could get my message across to him and get out. Me and him were talking OOC and he was asking me something like is it okay if I capture Logan to do experments on? And I pretty much made it clear only Celso could do anything. I wouldn't say it is freezing time. My character more or less can create a bubble from which it can be excluded from time. I mean time never really did stop. The way I said it was a expression more or less. Hikaru, your characters may be powerful but when me and K2 talked about the re-entry of mine a long time ago we decided that mine would be linked to K2 in a way that would allow him to pretty much live for as long as K2. We never went into if the link would be reversed on his end. And to answer about your reply on how I can travel through the time space without being weakened at all, I have too. The void that I am in is outside the natural time space. If I couldn't travel it easy then I really wouldn't be able to do anything with my character cause as soon as he makes it through he would pass out. Now the weakness of my character is he can't fight. I saw when I rejoined that the idea of him was way to powerful, so the biggest weakness I gave him is that he can only defend himself. Meaning he can't pick a fight really. That way if someone attacks me I'm allowed to defend myself, but at the same I can't just go around murdering people.
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In reality the whole point of him is to do the Super Weapon side thing and then more than likely I'm shelving him until we can find another story need for him. Because as I pointed out I can't fight with him. He is pretty useless ruler because if someone tries to take the planet he is on he probably would let everyone die and he can't stay in reality for too long. Never really thought of why, but he can't.
I have other characters I can use but the only one who wants to further his magic more is this one. Everyone else who I have would be like, yeah I have magic, big deal.
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Dude... At least add a break line instead of double posting :/
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I don't have a break line that I can find. I'm using a psp and it is really hard to modify a longer post.
and on top of that once I get through the super weapon thing I probably won't play other than to monitor the Academy and UEM. But I don't really see all my main characters really having too much involvement on here. Hell I could just send to Cosmic Empires for really all that I care.
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The freezing was more of a counter measure to insure Hawkeye wouldn't try anything stupid so I could get my message across to him and get out. Me and him were talking OOC and he was asking me something like is it okay if I capture Logan to do experments on? And I pretty much made it clear only Celso could do anything. I wouldn't say it is freezing time. My character more or less can create a bubble from which it can be excluded from time. I mean time never really did stop. The way I said it was a expression more or less. Hikaru, your characters may be powerful but when me and K2 talked about the re-entry of mine a long time ago we decided that mine would be linked to K2 in a way that would allow him to pretty much live for as long as K2. We never went into if the link would be reversed on his end. And to answer about your reply on how I can travel through the time space without being weakened at all, I have too. The void that I am in is outside the natural time space. If I couldn't travel it easy then I really wouldn't be able to do anything with my character cause as soon as he makes it through he would pass out. Now the weakness of my character is he can't fight. I saw when I rejoined that the idea of him was way to powerful, so the biggest weakness I gave him is that he can only defend himself. Meaning he can't pick a fight really. That way if someone attacks me I'm allowed to defend myself, but at the same I can't just go around murdering people.
I'm calling BS. Going outside spacetime or even just time is impossible unless you're outside of Existence as a whole. To go outside of Existence however you need to be either the Gnostic God, Ingrounded or something else entirely (TBA). Also, Ingrounded's can't fight either as they are godmodding and can not be touched or die and if they do would cause existence to be alerted to their location. So they can't go around murdering people. Your character? Sounds A LOT like Ingrounded.
And unless you were somehow Subgrounded and died to get that way or got it another way (nearly impossible) then I'm calling that out. Re-request.
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Maybe he is ingrounded by terms, but that doesn't mean that he can't do this. I use the ability to travel back and forth from existence to the Dark Void a lot. I am technically connected to it. Hikaru I respect you but there is really nothing too wrong with my character. He can travel outside of existence. So what? Nisorin says his character does it on a regularly basis. As for my ability to bubble time (what I'm calling it I guess) It isn't really something I've used since Hawkeye, so I'm just putting it down as an escape plan. My character can't fight, the explanation I gave was because in order to control the vast amount of power/darkness' magic I need to keep my emotions under control to do it. And during battle my rage would make it where it would take control of me. As I pointed out I'm probably not using the character too much after the super weapon thing is gone.
You want to continue? Because we can turn and look at your character next if you want and talk about overpowered.
This is a chat log that I have copied. I removed the name to avoid problems.
[11:35] logan124gt@hotmail.com: So overall the fact my character can travel from existance and he can bubble time and what not and he can't fight, so would that really make him beyond powerful from Hikaru's character?
[11:36] : Not beyond, but maybe equal. And that's probably what she has a problem with.
[11:36] logan124gt@hotmail.com: I'm probably going to quote you, though I'll take your name off to not incite problems.
[11:37] logan124gt@hotmail.com: Because you are more than likely right.
It's true. You seem to have a problem with anyone who can get close to your character, even when they want nothing to do with your character. I pointed out to that his only use is to pretty much spark the movement against the sub group of the Anrufe making the superweapon. No other purpose.
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Different type of Existence. Nisorin means material existence the dimensional plane. What you're doing is Ingrounded godmod power to go outside of EVERYTHING. Where the Gnostic God is, that does need to be called out unless you had a good reason to get it IC. And the Void is not outside of existence.
For the bubbling time ability again, you can't do it with time powers.
You can't do anything of this. And for you to be sitting here trying to put OOC reasons why you're doing it is metagaming. "Oh I'm doing it so I can do this," metagaming.
Go read this, and this, and then come back and argue all of this.
http://shatteredplanes.com/forum/index.php?topic=2302.0
http://shatteredplanes.com/forum/index.php?topic=2184.0
Also, grab Jeebus's time guide too.
And I don't care if you look at my character, yeah she's Ingrounded, so what? She has a reason to be that happened IC that makes sense and she is only partially so and won't be that way forever. At least I'm within the lore. You're breaking the lore and trying to break the system just for stupid OOC reasons.
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Just relax, my character isn't a threat to you. Nor is he even that important really. In truth he is more like a watcher (From Spiderman or whatever Marvel did.) than anything.
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It doesn't matter if he's a threat, Logan. I couldn't care less. What matters is you're breaking the Lore/System/Foundation. You're using Ingrounded powers without being an Ingrounded and if you are an Ingrounded without getting permission or having a reason. You didn't put ANY of this in your request and so you're using godmodding abilities that needed to be approved and now you're justifying it by just saying "he's not a threat?"
Re-request the damn character or he's null. You cheated to get him approved and I'm pulling back my approval, so he's not approved.
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What else should I say? Your an idiot? I mean I didn't layout what he could do, the bubble thing wasn't original design idea. I realize that is over powering. I get that. The ability to travel from a reverse realm of the void and back without teleporting by moving through space time, I didn't realize there was anything wrong with that. I have nothing to say simply because of the fact that I was unaware there was anything wrong with it. I've seen it before. Lets face the honest to go truth. If that was the only reason you even cared then I would re-request it. But it isn't. Your problem is that it can match one of your characters. Sure it can't actually fight, but you don't like that idea one bit. Maybe if you were a better more attentive and respectful staff member I would respect your decision better, but you really aren't. You're rude, you don't really care about doing your duties, like reading through requests and approving them or denying them unless it is someone you don't like, and then you would go through the ends of the earth to disapprove it. I personally think it is stupid that you are a staff member in the first place, you aren't even a leader unless you rule like Hitler. In fact the only reason you approved that request in the first place is because you didn't want it too pass but K2 talked you into approving it. I haven't done anything with this character other than the bubble to be considered outside of rp rights or be considered god modding.
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I'm not telling you to re-request because you match me, WTF? I never once said that. I said you were breaking the system. The ingrounded state and powers needs to be approved by either me or Gaser, and the character itself approved by other staff, without anything left out. God, I'm sick of being accused for selfish reasons when getting on peoples case. I have a damn reason for telling people off on this stuuf and it's NOT that.
I don't give a damn if you could match Hikaru in combat. I was giving her as an example of the Ingrounded state and example ONLY, so don't fucking falsely accuse me.
Now, re-request WITH the powers.
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I get the powers, but I don't need your approval for my "Ingrounded" Character. He was connected to K2 far before you came up with the concept of Ingrounded.
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First off, he's right, he and I did talk about this at length. Secondly, he's had this idea since before the Templars and since before we classified existence. I very well think we can work with him to fix the holes and patches, that's our duty as staff is to help the members. That said, Nisorin is mistaken, his character travels outside the Dimensional Plane on a regular basis, not existence. But I don't think leaving existence, or leaving the dimensional plane, is an explanation for the time travel.
As for why you're character can travel through time though, a better explanation would be that the dark void is an anomaly in time itself (only not nearly as extensive), sort of like a copy of the Records of Time, in that it's connected to various parts of the timeline. Which actually makes quite the exciting plot twist.
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I misspoken. He can't time travel, though through the magic of the Dark Void he can see a possibilities of time (For example he can see every choice played out. For instance, K2 has to go to the bathroom in public. He could go in the bushes and risk getting caught or hold it in and hope he doesn't wet himself, and I sadly would see bother outcomes to some degree. That was just a nasty horrible example.). When I say he can travel through the time space I mean current time. What I mention about the Void I think to Hawkeye is that the void doesn't have the flow of time because it is outside of normal existence.
The reason why I can travel through so easy is because I'm apart of the void now I guess. That one is hard to explain. The Dark Void was created from the battles of the past I guess, I haven't really worked out the idea of it, but haven't really needed to explain it til now. It is where most of the discharged Magic goes but what is special about this is that it was created from where Atlantis was because of all the Magic that has been used in the past on it. The battles with K2 and Dark Logan are really what created it. That is part of the reason why I'm linked to K2. During that time I was outside of normal existence I learned more magic and embraced the Void's magic. Because of that I can't fight. The magic in the Dark Void is more to be considered to be living to some degree. It has a will of it's own and if my character isn't careful he will be taken control of if his emotions flare out of control. For instance if he were to get mad then he would have more of a chance to lose control. That is why he doesn't battle. This is why he can travel through the time space so easily. It isn't really draining him because it isn't coming from him. The magic and him have a link and that is why he can do it. As for the time bubble. It is possible that I could do that. We move because are molecules allow us. But if I was to slow them down enough with magic it would look as though they have been frozen completely. And that one does drain me. Also another down side too my character is he needs to rest a lot. Meaning he can't spend much time in normal existence and must go back to the void to recharge more or less. That is why he only makes key appearances.
Now I'm sure you are all wondering about the clone. The clone Logan, which is a part of the team on the Destiny's Hope is actually a genetically grown clone using a piece of Logan's own soul but has no link to the original Logan other then a small psychic link that allows him to relay messages to him. The Clone is actually pretty much one of my basic soldiers. In other words just look at Mark's combat and that pretty much is his. I didn't request him because I haven't seen Hawkeye make a request for any of his clones so I figured I didn't need too.
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Ugh...
Are we talking about the same Void Empty is from or another Void? If so. WHERE IS THE VOID? You keep saying outside of existence. Is that MATERIAL Existence (The dimensional plane) or Existence as a whole? If it's Existence as a whole I'm calling that out as that would be Ingrounded and not possible. (There's nothing out there not even a void. Hell not even color. It's inconceivable and the characters that manage to get there only see it as their mind wants to see it through memories. So it becomes a mixture of all the lands you've been to.)
If it's VOID like where Empty is from then YES, time encompasses it and it is NOT outside of time and you would not be Ingrounded to go there.
And K2, I don't care if it came after. He's not grandfathered into the Ingrounded system as that is so powerful it NEEDS to be requested or have a reason to be. And him? This is the freakin' guy that put rips into the RP and caused us a few years of having to fix everything. It's the guy that made the RP SOLELY ABOUT HIS CHARACTERS and centered it all around his empire, his characters, his ego that's almost as bad as Orph's. So NO, given that history he has not proven himself to have an Ingrounded Character grandfathered in.
Seeing the possibilities of time is impossible as there are infinite possibilities, your character would be overloaded to try to see them all.
...Also who said the Records of Time is connected to various parts of the timeline?I never did. It IS TIME put into physical form other than Asura herself. It can be any form, hell she could make it one book. But as Archives and Libraries are more common for history and give one the chance to see and read, she puts it into the figurative Archive form.
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I'm sure he hasn't the foggiest who Empty is, or what is void is.
That said, let's suggest ways to make this character work without being Ingrounded.
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So if your decision is based on the past then what good are you towards my character? You are going to disapprove it no matter what cause you are so set in the past. My character isn't ingrounded so get over it. Deal with it in fact. My character is the way he is. He isn't important other than the warning. The clone is more important than he is. That is why he has more power than the clone. I have no desire to do rips or making myself the center of the universe. Actually as I told Nisorin when I was explaining my character to him a few weeks ago that his reason is more of a side story. Not even that important. K2 said that he'll play along with it and that is why I made it. But it is clear that you are going to let the past get in the way of moving on.
Actually why do I have too prove myself for a system I been using longer than you? I'm sorry but if you want proof I already have 2 topics using the actual Logan you can look at. The Dark Warning would be the best one too start.
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If he goes outside of real existence he's Ingrounded, there's nothing else that can go outside of existence. Again it does NOT matter whether he is important or not, the fact he has the power of an ingrounded means he has to be approved myself personally for the Ingrounded state adn the rest of the staff for the other powers.
And prove that he's been able to go outside of existence longer than the system has been up. I've not ONCE seen a topic about that. And I have the 3rd season GE logs, not in them. You may have used Logan in topics but not with him outside of Existence.
Yet again, re-request.
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Just read the character request post, and perhaps that will shed a little light on how I'm out of existence.
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No. Without Ingrounded powers you can't be out of Existence as that is the main point of the Ingrounded state not being tied to existence and existing and not existing at the same time. Unless you are Ingrounded you CANNOT be outside of Existence.
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Actually you are right. I'm not out of existence. I'm simply in another realm of existence in. Not totally outside of existence but not on the normal realm.
blackhawkfury221: Not if I use sleeping gas on them.
And AM fluid.
me: You also aren't thinking about the fact that Logan is in an another realm.
One that you can't go too.
I forgotten all about that. I always assumed I meant I was outside of existence but if I'm in another realm I'm still inside existence and yet at the same time not. I have no reason to be ingrounded from your point of view.
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Then you're outside of the Dimensional Plane. But because time is in Existence you're not outside of Time.
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I never said I was. In the dark void the magic has no sense of time. Thus time doesn't work right there because it isn't actually a realm of within the creation of time. (Or something like that. I'm putting down my thoughts.) It isn't an exception but at the same time it is. You see time would have no meaning in the realm, but that doesn't mean that while I'm their time stops. Time would continue outside of the realm. This is how it wouldn't be an exception. But at the same time the realm itself would have time thus it is an exception. So in some ways it is pretty much a paradox of a paradox or some kind of reference like that. This would end our argument because now I won't have any reason to be ingrounded to your standards, and I am in no mood to continue fighting so leave it at that.
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Umm.. I have a lot wrong with that but you'll have to discuss it with Jeebus.
I may have Asura Embodiment of Time but I've left him as the authority on all things time.