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The Hub => The Library [ A R C H I V E ] => Staff Updates => IC Disputes => Topic started by: Queen Bright on April 06, 2012, 05:44:52 AM
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(OOC: FIRST OF ALL, Earth wouldn't have TVs nor roads, nor the killing you said in the first post. So that's null. Second of all and the reason why the first is in play. TREENA. She's been turning Earth pacifist and having plans grow out of all technology or advanced things to bring her 'children' back to peace. You CAN NOT just ignore that she is there and go off like she would not even try to stop this. Just because Cap is not here to play her. She is STILL the Earths Spirit and would not just allow that to happen.)
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((OOC:There are no angry drivers... much less drivers. No angry people in general. Also, no instant violence on NPCs, you are welcome to attempt it. There are no "cities" besides however Hiros island is. This is hippy central, so forest covens is the closest thing to civilization here.))
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(Maybe you should put it in the damn description then. Instead of trying to chew someones head off for not being on the site when something happens. Eh; I'm down to burn some forests. Then go ahead and try to stop me; the Earth is still there and is still in the SP dimension.)
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((any violent action should be worded as an attempt. You may attempt to burn some forests, but auto setting them on fire I will consider Godmodding. ))
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(Honestly, I don't see how the wording would matter. Its really just a matter of negating what he'd said when its your post if you're able; it has the same effect)
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(Seeing as I've taken no hostile action against the Earth itself; Treena is gonna have to make the first move. Otherwise the Earth is gonna be in the Void..so..)
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(Seeing as I've taken no hostile action against the Earth itself; Treena is gonna have to make the first move. Otherwise the Earth is gonna be in the Void..so..)
((Right now the entire topic is void because you are trying to act in a settling that just doesn't exist anymore, while you can attempt to put earth into the void, you cannot auto-hit the void attack otherwise, I call bullshit. Wording damn well does matter, it should be always worded in attempt format, not it worked format. It avoids so many goddamn issues its not even funny. ))
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(I'm not going to change how I type; it how I intend for the story to go. You can twist it yourself by dodging a punch in your post. What Void attack; all Jack has done is turn down the lights and get a spell ready. Ignore the null parts and react accordingly.)
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(You can't just send the planet to the Void in two posts, that's AT LEAST a 10 post action as you're trying to take the entire planet that you DON'T have control over. Had it been yours already it could be done in one post, but not an enemy planet.)
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(He can't yet. Did you not even read the post? All he's been able to do is mark the MIDPOINT. I had an idea for a long drawn out battle since the spell would take time to actually take affect.)
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It's technically been three days. :/
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(And it's being contested so that doesn't count.)
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(Seeing as there isn't anything to contest you're wrong. Jack had PREPARED a spell not used one. Even if some parts are null due to the STAFF not making sure planet descriptions were up to date; the entire thing isn't. Either he posts today and soon; or I'm calling it.)
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(You can't call it as you completely ignored the fact Earth is not like you said it was. And you said Earth was entering the Void, that's not preparing that's rushing ahead. ALSO if we have to make sure planet descriptions are updated then you have to make sure to read the older topics. He most likely can't post today as he has a fucking job and this week will be accompanying me to California, there's such thing as people being busy Orph, you can fucking wait.)
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(If he can't post on a regular basis then he doesn't need to be on a site were it's required to fucking play the game. He did not post in advance that he'd be busy or unable to be online. And I told you; those parts are null but most actions are still being taken. Jack still prepared the spell. Entering the Void; not ENTERED. A process Hikaru, but one that can be stopped and takes a long time to accomplish. If he'd just FUCKING POST we could get this topic on-way. But you both seem intent on whining about irrelevant FUCKING details then FUCKING playing the FUCKING game. And no; it's your fucking JOB to keep the site updated and working. You can't hog power and attack those that threaten it, and then not complete you responsibilities as said staff member. You're acting like a child. Or if you guys prefer it; I'll blow this fictional fucking Earth to all hell and back. Instead of trying a peaceful manner of establishing a foothold in the dimension.)
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(Newsflash Einstein. It's also Easter, most won't be posting today and you can't expect them to.)
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(An atheist gives no fucks about Easter.)
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(Not everyone is Atheist and even if you are you have to respect the fact others are celebrating or doing things with family. I for one say it should be against the rules to call 3-day-rule on holidays for that reason. We'll be leaving for Cali Tuesday morning and Monday will be hectic. You'll just have to wait till we get back on the 12th or 13th.)
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Yeah..no. This started BEFORE you guys went off. So..either post Monday or Earth is in the Void. You can spare fifteen damn minutes to get on a website a flesh out a quick damn post.
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(An atheist gives no fucks about Easter.)
(Yeah, Orph, unlike you, the rest of us kinda care about our spirit and afterlife. All because you don't believe in stuff, that doesn't mean everyone else doesn't, or should follow what you do. You're not superior to anybody on this site. Sorry to break it to you.)
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Last time I checked a day as 24 hours in it; you're probably around it for at least twenty minutes. Even then he had all yesterday and the day before to post. Monday or three day rule.
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Yesterday and the day before were spent contesting it. You know very well you don't post when something is being contested even if it's small as you don't know the outcome yet. The 3-days would start today and end Tuesday, as the contesting JUST ended. That's how the damn 3-day-rule works.
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Contesting my ass! You provided some points that I acknowledged and then Cap never fucking posted. It's as fucking simple as that. Not my fault it takes you guys two days to provide simple points.
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Even then. Because it was being disputed and was solved. The 3-day rule starts from the moment it was solved.
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Yeah no; that's just a cheap ass fucking way of you trying to save Earth. You presented a STUPID problem, but even if it was solved in two posts the three day rule restarts? Fuck that.
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It wasn't a stupid problem. You completely ignored the state of Earth. AND EVEN then ignored who owned it and posted with Hiro railroading Cap without letting him post between you two. You should have posted, Hiro posted, and then if it was NEEDED in defense waited 3 days for Cap to post.
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The thing about it restarting, is to give the defender the proficient amount of time to counter the new post, as opposed to the old.
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So..two characters can't have a fucking conversation IC? Bullshit Hikaru; Cap could've posted anytime!
And maaybe if the staff would update the descripts we'd know; a new member wouldn't go through a world's threads to find out the recent activity, why the fuck should I?
There wasn't a new post Lyoko; I just told them to ignore the null parts. He just never posted.
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Well, typically, when things are nulled and void in a post, its technically a NEW post.
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What we have reached here is infact a very simple case of an OOC dispute when there shouldnt be one.
I would like to put forward a very major precedent;
The user Capxeno has pushed that his posts allow the 3 day rule even when disputes were open. Hikaru supported him on this. The set precedent for this is infact that it has happened. An OOC dispute shouldnt have been there considering that Cap could have easily just gone "But there was no new york city" in character.
In the users own words
Instead of trying to solve this through pointless OOC methods, remain in character and deal with what you have now.
I vote, therein that 3 day be allowed due to the precedent presented.
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Well, maybe extend it to after Easter. Some people are religious. :/
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I'm pretty sure Cap is atheist. Or he's always seemed that way when I've talked to him. :/
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You can THINK all you want, but unless you KNOW, then your thoughts dont mean anything.
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Since when were holidays never allowed for three-day rules? D:
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The very same reason why people get off of school for religious holidays.
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No; what I'm saying is that I never remember this ever being a rule. Up until it benefited Hikaru and her friends.
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It's not in the rules that public holidays are included in the 3 day rule. I'm happy to bring that into a rule amendment at some point but it currently is not.
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I'm pretty sure Cap is atheist. Or he's always seemed that way when I've talked to him. :/
He is a Solomonic Shaman (magic) but attends family events.
You don't have to be religious to attend it for family.
Also, it shouldn't be fair to make it where people can be 3-day-ruled on if it's a holiday where most in the world are busy and with family.
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Ergo it isn't a rule.
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Im down with it Jay. I was simply casting my vote on the issue though. Im not saying thats whats going to happen.
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Ergo it isn't a rule.
It can still be counted as the inactivity clause to teh rule. Cap let someone know that he wasnt going to be on for Easter, therefore, i believe the 3 day kinda skips this day. :/
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Chatlog or screen cap or it didn't happen.
I don't trust Hikaru's word for shit.
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Last time I checked a public announcement is required to allow three-day rule dismissal.
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If the action is impossible IC based on previous crap, then there is nothing to Three day rule. The entire topic in null and honestly all you know part of the crap thats been going on, I was in no position to post shit for a while..
You need to rewrite your entire first post for it to be valid, and everything after it is null.
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Sadly Cap YOU set the precedent here.
When you did the False Heaven attack Lyoko felt that what Kurai had done was impossible. This is how it works, you IC null any points that were wrong OR you lose the right to complain. Nothing he did broke any rules therein there was no need for an IC dispute
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No, there is no New York City, that has nothing to do with False Heaven.
I changed something about the character, not the territory. If I had said, there's a jailcell with a 1000 epic magic convicts that are loyal to Kurai, and tried saying they made a break for it. That Would be close to what Orph is trying to so, Jack he can designate about all he wants, but Earth? Thats mine to screw with.
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Sadly Cap YOU set the precedent here.
When you did the False Heaven attack Lyoko felt that what Kurai had done was impossible. This is how it works, you IC null any points that were wrong OR you lose the right to complain. Nothing he did broke any rules therein there was no need for an IC dispute
Only thing i can say about that, is that Karma is a bitch, Cap. :/
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Sadly Cap YOU set the precedent here.
When you did the False Heaven attack Lyoko felt that what Kurai had done was impossible. This is how it works, you IC null any points that were wrong OR you lose the right to complain. Nothing he did broke any rules therein there was no need for an IC dispute
Only thing i can say about that, is that Karma is a bitch, Cap. :/
If it actually applied in this situation, sure. However, as I've said Orph is welcome to do what he please with his character personally. However, that does not give him the right to willynelly designate what is still on earth when I've made it clear that violence and technology or any sort is gone. There are no angry people, there are no cars, and there are no cities on earth anymore.
So, no the false heaven situation does not apply.
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It kind of does in the fact that a simple statement IC of "But there were no angry folks etc" would have nullified that part of the post causing a back and forth, similar to what you did with Hawk in another topic.
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It kind of does in the fact that a simple statement IC of "But there were no angry folks etc" would have nullified that part of the post causing a back and forth, similar to what you did with Hawk in another topic.
As I've said before, it doesn't. Orph doesn't get to decide what is and is not on Earth. If he wants to say, this isn't Jack but some Magic Dog dpy summon pet thing, more power to him. However, Earth Post-Time skip is Treena's domain and as Treena's Roleplayer I do have to set the Lore limits of what is and is not on Earth anymore.
So no, there is no New York city, and there are no cars, and there are no angry people on Earth. Thats Part of what I get to decide, now if Orph wants to say Jack is something other than Jack for whatever reason, go him. Thats his choice.
Even in the Hawkeye topic, a Lava forge wouldn't exist on Earth anymore and Treena would do what she could to prevent weapons from being made on Earth, so that was how she defended earth because she cannot be violent herself.
This is matter of I decide how Treena Earth is and is not, not Orph. With False Heaven, I decided on what Kurai was and was not and so forth. Nothing to do with false Heaven directly, except what the summon was attempting to do.
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What the problem was is that an IC dispute was created without a legit reason. You could've just put in your post.
"Seeing as there were no angry drivers, nor skyscrapers Jack probably landed on some giant tree when he started his spell."
But no; you two threw a giant butthurt fit over stupid little details. Ergo the IC dispute was unneeded and the three day rule does not restart; so either you can shut the fuck up and post NOW. Or lose Earth. Seeing as you're fucking online and this can all be solved BY POSTING.
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The issue is, none of that could of happened, period. So what really happened when Jack arrived on the island that used to be New york city, was he found himself in a health forest. At festival of about twenty locals, celebrating life, love, and happiness.
One of the group walked over to Jack and tried to hand him a flower with a smile.
Already did =/
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..I'm pretty sure we're not just gonna let people teleport planets in a single post.
Nor do I think planetary spirits should have that power. :/
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..I'm pretty sure we're not just gonna let people teleport planets in a single post.
Nor do I think planetary spirits should have that power. :/
Two posts, start of spell, end of spell. Also, considering that for now she IS earth. Teleporting herself isn't hard, now is it?
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Yeah. No.
I'm going to leave this up to the entire staff to decide but I don't even approve of planetary spirits as active characters, background NPCs but this is exactly why. Being a nation building RP planets are invaded constantly, and if we start letting them teleport THEMSELVES everywhere it's going to get fucking retarded.
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Depending on how you think about it it'd even be out of character. The radical change from where she was would probably almost instantly kill all life on the planet.
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Earth has a Spirit because DUH Mother Earth. They're not NPCs. Treena was approved as a character.
For teleporting in a single or two posts.. umm Kurai turned Dema into a marble in only 2 posts. ;D
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Stilll doesnt make a difference about killing the planet....
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Yeah. No.
I'm going to leave this up to the entire staff to decide but I don't even approve of planetary spirits as active characters, background NPCs but this is exactly why. Being a nation building RP planets are invaded constantly, and if we start letting them teleport THEMSELVES everywhere it's going to get fucking retarded.
Invade all you want, however, Treena will not fight you, and will not "attack". Saving all life before the violence even starts... more like it. The only retard thing is, you trying to attack something that will flee. You are trying to tackle an abra as it were.
Also, all life survived. They are just kind of folded into the teleport by proximity.
she's not a directly active charter unless you attack or try something she wouldn't allow. otherwise you deal with the natives. Just because this is a nation building RP, doesn't mean you always have to attack to RP. Some of the best fun I had involved Fioa and lesbian romance.
She can teleport herself, you told me to just post, well I ah already done so, and honestly there is nothing to dispute. I gave you more than a fair chance to do something, two posts for a teleporting yourself is very generous in this RP.
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But the sudden loss of the sun or the rapid change in position would be extremely detrimental to all life on Earth unless you are using magic to maintain the heat and the ecosystem...
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But the sudden loss of the sun or the rapid change in position would be extremely detrimental to all life on Earth unless you are using magic to maintain the heat and the ecosystem...
No shit, magic and spirit save that little detail from mattering much.
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It does matter. If you don't say anything about it then it is possibly out of character like Hiro said.
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It does matter. If you don't say anything about it then it is possibly out of character like Hiro said.
That part will be explained when I get around to posting where in the hell Treena actually teleported Earth/Herself to. Right now? No, it doesn't matter. As far where she teleported to, already know where it will be, and it'll be a bit before it shows up there.
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Alright; that's is straight OP and overboard. You guys yelled at me for shit like that.
Treena is I'm guessing a level five magic user? I doubt a level five magic user is capable of teleporting that much matter that quickly. She's still restricted to the same level of power as every character should be. :/
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Yes.. but a lvl5 can teleport themselves. SURE she couldn't teleport another planet with her but she IS the planet. The planet is her.
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...You don't quite realize how big a fucking planet is compared to a human do you?
That marble bullshit shouldn't of flied anyway; not unless it was a planet you owned and controlled.
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It was a planet I owned and controlled.
And Earth is MORE than a planet that's owned and controlled it's Treena herself and controlled by her. At first it was not controlled by her, she was passive. But as more attackers happened and the K-Empire and others were er... cruel to nature, she became more active in its defense. She was developed like any other character.
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The Earth is not alive; it has a spiritual presence. Just because that spirit is the spirit of said rock doesn't mean it has a powersize to match it. It's still a character and can only be as strong as a character. A level SIX can't even teleport a planet and SHOULDN'T be able to teleport a planet in two posts.
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Uhhh level 5s have teleported planets plenty before.
And I don't think you understand the concept of Planetary Spirits. When I made Treena (THE FIRST planet spirit thus I get to set what they can and can't do thank you very much.) It was saying the Earth had a spirit just as a person has a spirit. They can control their 'body'. I always envisioned if Treena DID fight and was not a pacifist, she could just punch you with the ground like it's her arm. Or the rain being her tears, the wind being her voice the...
Original Inspiration for Treena: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_TbAw72gm4 Should explain it. ;)
The ONLY difference between her Spirit and a normal persons spirit is that if the earth is blown up she doesn't go to the after life or possess another planet. She's bound to that spot to haunt it foooorever.
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Since fucking when? Give me examples?
And those sound incredibly overly powered. Living and magic planets? Yeah..no.
I'm also pretty sure Nisorin has had planetary spirits since forever with the Relorians. Talking with them is part of his fucking empire's culture.
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Since fucking when? Give me examples?
And those sound incredibly overly powered. Living and magic planets? Yeah..no.
I'm also pretty sure Nisorin has had planetary spirits since forever with the Relorians. Talking with them is part of his fucking empire's culture.
How is it any different from a character? She's an approved character that was developed to the point she is. You're just seeing her as a planet, where she is the planet yes, but the planet is also her physical form.
And if so he didn't personify them or ever request them. I think Nisorin's is more on Tribal believe that there's a spirit in everything. (Pocahontas anyone?)
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And that's..just not fucking right. You're talking about a gigantic character who can't be killed with anything less then an extinction level starship weapon or massive amounts of spirit energy.
You really fucking think that is okay?
No; his has spirits with names and uses. Hell; if you read one of his planet's descripts it talks about one. So; take your ownership claim up with him.
How the fuck were these ever accepted past race requests..
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One little difference. A Planetary spirit can't use tech unless they somehow armor their planet but that's weird. They can't use ships. The magic they can use is limited to what affects THEMSELF or whats ON THEM not around them. Sure they're durable and can't be killed so easily. But at the same trade they aren't a threat to anyone.
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GIANT FUCKING PLANETS
Anyone with ANY sort of imagination can use that.
You could have it influence and control it's magnetic field. Ripping a neighboring planet's iron from it's natives blood! If it's powerful enough to teleport trillions of tons of matter; that is a walk in the fucking park.
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Since fucking when? Give me examples?
As I recall, Orga once did so(before you lost the Archive, if memory serves) to defend against a attack from K2. As for planetary spirits, er, yeah, they are a part of the RP, though I don't think every planet has one. And in the manner I mean, as living things(as a example, Elmora itself has been that way since I requested it, though it never was revealed or expanded until much later). Like anything nartural within its atmosphere(weather, plantlife, natural disasters) being just the planet itself moving, same as a human or what have you flexing its arm. I don't know about outside their atmosphere(and personally I think that should be beyond their ability to directly affect), but within their atmosphere yeah. Teleportation I wouldn't know about them being capable themselves, since I've never tried it myself, but its been done before by characters.
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Seeing as we can obviously teleport planet in two posts now..well expect a lot of planet on planet collisions these days.
Actually; you know what? FUCK YOU STAFF
FUCK FUCKING YOU
I get berated and attacked CONSTANTLY for shit that wasn't even god modding, and here we have people teleporting planets and turning them into marbles in two fucking posts? FUCK YOU. Expect me to go hard on EVERYONE. I intend to destroy this board now, and not in some stupid hacking aka delete the board. No; I'm going to slowly destroy every single fucking empire, organization, and character on this board. Because FUCK YOU.
Yeah; warn me for cussing a lot. I don't give half a shit. This is complete and utter fucking bullshit and you guys know it. You guys wonder why I left? Because we have a stable leader, a useless tyrant of a founder, another one who can rarely get on, and then a bunch of bullshit like this. All the fucking time. I remember once I got warned for god modding because after ten posts I made a planet covering explosion. But we can totally TELEPORT TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS OF TONS OF MATTER THOUSANDS OF LIGHT YEARS IN TWO POSTS. BECAUSE THAT MAKES FUCKING SENSE.
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Seeing as we can obviously teleport planet in two posts now..well expect a lot of planet on planet collisions these days.
Actually; you know what? FUCK YOU STAFF
FUCK FUCKING YOU
I get berated and attacked CONSTANTLY for shit that wasn't even god modding, and here we have people teleporting planets and turning them into marbles in two fucking posts? FUCK YOU. Expect me to go hard on EVERYONE. I intend to destroy this board now, and not in some stupid hacking aka delete the board. No; I'm going to slowly destroy every single fucking empire, organization, and character on this board. Because FUCK YOU.
Yeah; warn me for cussing a lot. I don't give half a shit. This is complete and utter fucking bullshit and you guys know it. You guys wonder why I left? Because we have a stable leader, a useless tyrant of a founder, another one who can rarely get on, and then a bunch of bullshit like this. All the fucking time. I remember once I got warned for god modding because after ten posts I made a planet covering explosion. But we can totally TELEPORT TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS OF TONS OF MATTER THOUSANDS OF LIGHT YEARS IN TWO POSTS. BECAUSE THAT MAKES FUCKING SENSE.
Honestly, that makes any and all attacks until you calm down metagaming in my opinion. While teleporting a planet in two posts would normally be a bit eh. However, the planet IS Treena for now. So teleporting herself is very normal. Honestly I didn't need to give you two posts to figure out what to do about it, I was being nice and made it two posts, start of spell, and completion. For a spell that is normally, "lol I just tele..." that was pretty generous of me.
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I don't give a fuck if it is her own body or not. She's a level five and is restricted to the same levels of power as every other character.
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I don't give a fuck if it is her own body or not. She's a level five and is restricted to the same levels of power as every other character.
Level fives can teleport themselves. You have no restriction about teleporting yourself at level five, and also, honestly, planetary level magic is level 5 anyway. So yes, a level five can teleport a planet, had it not been here own body... it would have been a bit harder, but hell its not even hostile magic.
Again, you can teleport yourself.