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The Board => Archive => Void => Topic started by: Kalorph_ on April 15, 2012, 12:42:23 PM
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That is still my choice who it goes too.
Kotah and Ezael were the shared creation of both Hikaru and I; IC I had Koty appoint his child the successor because I was under the impression I would be playing the child. Then when Hikaru split them I was even more okay with that, because she'd get one too. Instead she just stole both of them and is now trying to steal the mantle of Destruction. Even though it's been declared IC that twins cannot become Destruction unless one is dead. Therefore a new successor has to be chosen.
tl;dr? AKA Me and Hikaru had our two namesakes character have a child then she stole BOTH of them and refused to let me even play either one, and then she's trying to steal my own creation and namesake character's title. The Mantle of Destruction.
And I'm the one who steals peoples magic? At least I don't fucking steal whole characters. I want staff intervention, now.
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Hell; I named Ezael and Kotah is nothing but my nickname with an H at the end of it. Pronounced the same way though. DaKOTA White. I get called Kota more then I hear my real name.
I was the driving force and the reason they were even conceived in the first place, and all Hikaru did was wait till I was gone before getting them both approved by the staff for her. Ignoring the fact that they were not entirely her creation. Hell, the only thing she had done to have them come about IC is give birth to them. They were MY idea that I convinced her to end up doing.
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As it was explained to me
If Koty and Ezael were chosen as the successors of Destruction, then they are the successors, and the Force of destruction will wait patently to see which one kills the other for the mantle.
Honestly, from what I understand Forces doesn't have to have an Embodiment, it can wait their entire life span before of its own accord choosing someone else. The force would wait out for its originally selected successors.
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Considering I created the force of Destruction, and as it's one of the Chief Embodiments that keeps the others in check. It's constantly required to have an Embodiment and will not wait.
Last time I checked; if someone has a question about Destruction they should come to me. It's fucking creator, and not someone else at all. Since they don't know what the FUCK they're talking about.
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Considering I created the force of Destruction, and as it's one of the Chief Embodiments that keeps the others in check. It's constantly required to have an Embodiment and will not wait.
Last time I checked; if someone has a question about Destruction they should come to me. It's fucking creator, and not someone else at all. Since they don't know what the FUCK they're talking about.
Again, last time I checked you lost that right when you left. You lost all of your previous characters, who are either dead or being played by someone else. While Hik might still need to discuss the specifics with you about how Destruction works, if they were declared the successors IC, they are the successors IC.
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Last time I checked Cap they were my creations and will remain fucking so.
It's funny how you didn't try to even touch the Hikaru stealing the characters part, and even though I'd consider that a banable offense for anyone else on the site. Stealing someone else work? Awesome.
I decide how Destruction works and not anyone else on the damn site. Hikaru can go suck a big black dick in jail, because it isn't her fucking choice and never fucking has been.
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Last time I checked Cap they were my creations and will remain fucking so.
It's funny how you didn't try to even touch the Hikaru stealing the characters part, and even though I'd consider that a banable offense for anyone else on the site. Stealing someone else work? Awesome.
I decide how Destruction works and not anyone else on the damn site. Hikaru can go suck a big black dick in jail, because it isn't her fucking choice and never fucking has been.
It became her choice when you left the site and were warned many, many times of the consequences of leaving. Honestly, Anything you made before this new Jack account falls under the purview of someone else, because you were warned what would happen.
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Nope. Because fuck you that's why.
I created Destruction and it has ALWAYS been like this.
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Orph, you gave up any and all rights to them when you left. Anything you shared with Hik, was transferred IN FULL to her. We warned you that if you left, you forfeit rights to them, and you did it anyway. Also, as per the site ToS, nobody owns ANYTHING that they create UNLESS its copyrighted to THEM. Otherwise, the site owns, and decides who those TEMPORARY rights to the Idea, character, ect. go to.
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Doesn't matter; even if I have no rights to it, it was still created in such a way that the current usage of it is null. The system doesn't work like that, and Destruction is a unique case among Embodiments anyway.
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Its simple Orph... You named the successor. When you left, you gave up any and all rights to the power, successor, and anything else. The rights transferred to Hik. There is really nothing any of the staff can do for you at this point. Deal with the consequences of your own actions and move on.
But, please do elaborate how and why Destruction is "Special".
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It is one of the chief embodiments and cannot be separate for long; it HAS to be an active and full powered Embodiment. It would leave the twins seeing as they have no intention of killing one another, and would choose another successor.
And no; when I left I gave it all to K2. Not Hikaru.
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Well, unfortunately, Kaleb has to assist in resolving this now. Now we play, the waiting game.
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A quick note though, Creation would of never sought another successor and would have waited forever for a reincarnation of Eli that was worthy of being the successor. From what I understand, forces don't need embodiments, and all embodiments really do is regulate and look over their force.
All Destruction not having an embodiment would mean, is that there is nothing to stop a mage from casting destruction magic should they know how.
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If you knew the lore behind Destruction and Creation you'd understand why that would work. Together they are an nigh-omnipotent force that regulates all the Embodiments. They aren't perfect and are subject to immorality and in general..fucking shit up. They keep everything in check, and without Destruction there is a vacuum of power that CAN'T be left open.
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Me and Orph never been that great of friends, but I would have to agree with him on this. Hikaru has no right to modify what isn't her creation or use it without his permission. On top of that if she truly stole those characters thats even worse. If we did that we would be banned so how is this fair?
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Well it isn't left open. A successor was named. Also, creation was without an embodiment for 8 years
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Destruction and Creation are too opposites. :/
Kotah and Ezael have yet to kill each other and haven't shown signs of wanting to do so. Destruction wouldn't just sit there and wait it NEEDS to be an active force. It would effectively abandon them as successors, but this is due to their inability to actually perform their duties.
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Shouldn't this be in the suggestion box?
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This argument is simple. Orph you have no rights to destruction or the character. EoC unless another staff wants to overrule this.
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*coughs and looks at the time he beat hik in an argument and she shut down the site until I apologized*
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Kotah and Ezael were the shared creation of both Hikaru and I; IC I had Koty appoint his child the successor because I was under the impression I would be playing the child. Then when Hikaru split them I was even more okay with that, because she'd get one too. Instead she just stole both of them and is now trying to steal the mantle of Destruction. Even though it's been declared IC that twins cannot become Destruction unless one is dead. Therefore a new successor has to be chosen.
tl;dr? AKA Me and Hikaru had our two namesakes character have a child then she stole BOTH of them and refused to let me even play either one, and then she's trying to steal my own creation and namesake character's title. The Mantle of Destruction.
And I'm the one who steals peoples magic? At least I don't fucking steal whole characters. I want staff intervention, now.
Hell; I named Ezael and Kotah is nothing but my nickname with an H at the end of it. Pronounced the same way though. DaKOTA White. I get called Kota more then I hear my real name.
I was the driving force and the reason they were even conceived in the first place, and all Hikaru did was wait till I was gone before getting them both approved by the staff for her. Ignoring the fact that they were not entirely her creation. Hell, the only thing she had done to have them come about IC is give birth to them. They were MY idea that I convinced her to end up doing.
Last time I checked Cap they were my creations and will remain fucking so.
It's funny how you didn't try to even touch the Hikaru stealing the characters part, and even though I'd consider that a bannable offense for anyone else on the site. Stealing someone else work? Awesome.
1. Kotah and Ezael are a concept of a child of Hikaru and Koty. How the fuck is that a creation and how can any of us lay claim to that? People have their characters have children all the time in RPs. Way long before you or I ever agreed to it. The AC idea was yours, yes, Anti-Christ baby. But the religious lore was dropped and the children became just regular children of an Embodiment and Sage. (Much like the Sage Three are grandchildren of an embodiment.) Nothing more originally.
Even if they hadn't split though, the lore was dropped you laid claim to NOTHING. And when I agreed to have Hikaru had kids I never once said you could play it or agreed to that part. Hell at first I thought it was gonna be a damn NPC plot device. You're the one that thought "Oooh another god character for me to take control of."
HOWEVER you chose to have Koty name the CHILD the successor. When it turned out to be twins you decided to go and quit the damn site. You passed it to K2 who passed the one you would have had on to me since face it, they were my characters kids and since they were fucking babies it only makes sense for them to be with the mother at all times.
Would have left them as NPCs but the story required them as characters passed a certain point. Then when I had them requested you decided to come back (for the 100th time) and try to claim them, that's when we all had this fun debate http://shatteredplanes.com/forum/index.php?topic=1931.msg19401#msg19401
At that point the characters were mine. Why? I named them, requested them, fleshed out their story to the point they were at, at that point. Gave them life and made them characters. Even the others agreed.
You still tried to lay 'claim' but claim to what? A baby? A child of Hikaru and Koty? Um... oldest idea in the book, cliche', cannot be copyrighted. How can I steal something that almost every RPer does?
Also, you didn't convince me. You brought it up JOKINGLY, I said no way. Thought about it later then approached you asking if you actually wanted to have it happen. I have the logs... somewhere.
2. TAYLOR came up with Kotah. Actually she wanted it Kota, but I was like "No way." So she added the H. That was when she was like baby crazy and wanted to help with damn near everything. I'd have preferred to spell it like Elfen Lied does "Kohta" that way it was a real Japanese name and not your name. ...Might actually change it. I never felt comfortable RPing the name as it is your nickname even if it was being nice and letting Taylor pick the name...
EZAEL I came up with. I have the log somewhere where I asked you what you'd name yours and you said "Exial" or something, I dunno. It was some combination spelling of Exhile though, in regards to your Anti-Christ plot. Never Ezael. I'll attempt to find the chatlog.
So in regards to those parts stop with your whole "Character stealer," "bannable offense," crap. You can't steal a baby concept as it's the oldest in the book. And character-wise there was nothing TO steal.
Now about the Destruction part...
Doesn't matter; even if I have no rights to it, it was still created in such a way that the current usage of it is null. The system doesn't work like that, and Destruction is a unique case among Embodiments anyway.
It is one of the chief embodiments and cannot be separate for long; it HAS to be an active and full powered Embodiment. It would leave the twins seeing as they have no intention of killing one another, and would choose another successor.
...I'm sorry. But I don't really care if you are the creator of Destruction. It's just a damn embodiment like Time, Space, etc. It stopped being 'special,' when the lore about them being gods was put down. SURE Eli and Koty WERE considered gods and WERE special as they were once COMPLETE the son of a Perfect and Imperfect. However that was THEM not their force.
I would think once they died, their 'specialness' died. And even then, chief embodiments? I'll tell you now. Time NEVER answered to them. Pretty sure many of the others probably didn't either. They were gods to mortals and embodiments that didn't know the truth Orph. Stop acting like they were the best things since sliced bread and were on some higher plane of figurative reality that no other characters can compare.
Your force is not special, get over it. I can see it needing a successor. Yeah. Some of the more powerful ones would need someone to harness them. But that it means brothers have to kill each other for it? Um... what? Where does that even make sense? Emptiness was split into two twins like Red has Void and Null. There is no reason no other force can't do the same. It's just balanced between two successors instead of one.
I didn't try to steal it. Hell I didn't even want it. But you were gone AGAIN and IC you HAD made them the successors. As I am playing them I have no damn choice but to play the embodiment power. Because ICly it makes sense.
It'd be OOC not to have them have it since IC they were made successors. And I'll be damned if you're gonna sit there and say Destruction and Creation are so high above everything else that they work completely different. The same could be said about Time and Space than. Those are also two opposite forces that are required for reality to work and would be considered 'gods.'
Shall I make up some catch that makes it to where only my characters can ever gain the force of Time back? Like uhhh only ones of a certain clan royalty or something stupid like 'have to kill each other.'
Get over it, get another force. If Asura ever dies I'll have to do the same. I don't 'own' the concept of Time. Just the character who is embodying it.
Now that, that is settled...
Seriously.. Blackcat. STAY OUT OF THINGS.
Me and Orph never been that great of friends, but I would have to agree with him on this. Hikaru has no right to modify what isn't her creation or use it without his permission. On top of that if she truly stole those characters thats even worse. If we did that we would be banned so how is this fair?
THIS is why I don't like backseat modding in requests or debates. EVERY damn topic that's bashing me or another staff member you popup in, you Nik, and sometimes even Zak. And what's your reason? To put in your two cents and come to a fair conclusion for the good of the site? Maybe the first but not the second. More times than less, it's to agree with whoevers bashing the staff member and just complain about that staff member without even knowing the WHOLE DAMN STORY.
"Oooh Hikaru's stealing characters and creations no hers because Orph said so!" ...Not because you actually looked into it or tried to get the whole story. Not that you haven't even bothered to read how the embodiment system works or anything like that as well.
Logan, when has anything involving Hikaru ever really been fair?
And that... How the FUCK is that any use to this topic whatsoever? WHAT'S MORE! How is it even backed up without the details behind all of this which I just fucking typed up? ....And you wonder why I want to ban you people from backseat modding.
And this... god...
Good god I feel a rant coming on. I once again have no personal problems with Hikaru but why the hell does she get special treatment? When she threaten to ban Hawkeye just because he wasn't going to post in a topic all she got was a slap on the wrist. If I would have done it I would of got de-admin and banned. She steals characters apparently, if we would have done it we would have been banned. She works her characters in to be the strongest ever, yet if we tried to we are denied. Why the special treatment? Someone on the staff answer me that.
I don't even want to get into answering this as it should be obvious and I've explained it before, but whatever.
The threat was a god damn empty threat as a joke. I didn't ban him, nor did I plan to. It was just a "Wonder if he'd hurry up if I said that." And by now? Hawkeye should have know that. I wouldn't have said it to anyone else as they'd take it seriously. But Hawkeye by now would even know it was just for reaction. Plus I knew he wasn't really busy and it was more of just a scare for again, reaction.
Had I done it and actually serious? Um yeah I'd have been fucking de-adminned and probably suspended a while.
I DID NOT steal the characters. And AGAIN you shouldn't even be fucking commenting on that with just one testimony. God, it's like a match at grade school. One person says someone did something, all the kids take their side just because they can. Fucking retarded.
She works her characters in to be the strongest ever, yet if we tried to we are denied.
This is just getting on my nerves because you said the same exact thing here....
I personally don't agree with some of the way magic is used. I mean Hikaru character has so many safe guards from being killed it isn't funny. Hell if we had a war none of us would have to fight. We just send her in head first and win.
Meta-gaming/god-modding (I really used these term loosely. I think a character should have a safe guard yes, but when the character can come back to life when it dies it doesn't need to overly protect itself and become untouchable. And deny it all you want people, but lets face it, none of us can have a character that can pretty much slaughter others without even touching them. I get she's a Sage Three but not even K2 and Kai's characters were that powerful. I think she should tone her character's power down a to equal out with the rest of us.)
...She's not that powerful. I like to make her out to be, because I like to brag about the Sage Three. Orph did the same exact thing with Koty. Oh but you weren't here. What power she DOES have, I have RP developed her into ALL of it throughout the years since the OK in 2006. Training, learning, battling, coming across, simply living...
And IC she brags about being that powerful because that's just the type of character she is. Sarcastic and prideful as all hell.
And HELL yeah she has safeguards from being killed. It's in her fucking personality as it is somewhat mine. She doesn't want to die. Hell, she fears permanent death. A phoenix normally will rise into reincartion when killed naturally through mortal means, and go to the afterlife when killed unaturally through magical means. Doesn't mean she likes death. Mortal means she can live with and wouldn't beg. Afterlife? Not so much. Who would? But seriously. You're gonna sit there and complain because she has safeguards? Because the damn character CHOSE to have safeguards due to that fear?
The Ingrounded state I can understand, as that is cheating permanent death. But that's limited. You can't battle, you can't take over stuff, or cause many contradictions or existence WILL erase you as a bug in the system. You CAN come back to life, yes, and be subgrounded again to be ingrounded once you die. But you're not all powerful when you come back to life, sure you may cause damage, but what was to stop you from doing so before you died the first time? It's true immortality but at the cost of playing a part in history unless you bring yourself back to life, except to troll I guess... "Can't touch me." Like that.
So no, the ingrounded CANNOT slaughter. INGROUNDEDHIKARU right now is completely worthless in a fight except to fucking troll you. SUBGROUNDEDHIKARU is of her original power and in the end will be the only Hikaru. Which you would have known had you paid attention to my RP will or any topics for that matter.
But as for my character in particular, she would choose that true immortality over dying, and then come back to life merely because she fears death.
So get off my fucking case about safeguards and overpowered. Anything she has was devloped and her 'safeguards,' are because SHE does not want to die so also developed.
....Also I don't appreciate you accusing me of metagaming and godmodding when I have done EVERYTHING in my power to call out those things and would NEVER do them myself.
So again, Blackcat, Zak, Nik. SHUT UP. You're not helping when you don't even backup what you are saying.
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What? Nothing to say? Or did I outtype you all?
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What? Nothing to say? Or did I outtype you all?
Don't get too hotheaded ahead of yourself Hik, they may have more to say.
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What? Nothing to say? Or did I outtype you all?
Don't get too hotheaded ahead of yourself Hik, they may have more to say.
Lol, true. Sorry. It's just with the week I've had. Sarcasm and SP are the only things keeping half a year of depression at bay. SO START POSTING!
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What? Nothing to say? Or did I outtype you all?
Don't get too hotheaded ahead of yourself Hik, they may have more to say.
Lol, true. Sorry. It's just with the week I've had. Sarcasm and SP are the only things keeping half a year of depression at bay. SO START POSTING!
I posted in any OOC topics I want to(lol)
And I posted in that one topic that calls out for other users to post.
Biosphere Elimination is still on hold because of ANOTHER issue and K2 still hasn't posted. B7U is a lonely baby D:
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Shall I make up some catch that makes it to where only my characters can ever gain the force of Time back? Like uhhh only ones of a certain clan royalty or something stupid like 'have to kill each other.'
Revelation, and genesis. Don't try to play high and mighty like that.
And bullshit Hikaru; we had multiple discussion on the anti-christ and the like. You didn't just up and decide. Not to mention unless they're screenshots I don't trust any logs you provide. You have always been known to manipulate, cheat, and lie to everyone to get YOUR way. I had never dropped the religious lore as it was an IC thing, and couldn't just up and be dismissed. Religion was used as a cover-story for the creation of free will. Destruction is one of the "chief" Embodiments because he and Eli try to keep the others in line. While Time may be neutral not every Embodiment is.
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Shall I make up some catch that makes it to where only my characters can ever gain the force of Time back? Like uhhh only ones of a certain clan royalty or something stupid like 'have to kill each other.'
Revelation, and genesis. Don't try to play high and mighty like that.
Revelation and Genesis are magic types not forces. We're talking about Forces that are concepts anyone can make a character for and has no right to claim as they are a force of REALITY. Destruction is a force known IRL. Revelation is not. -.- And Genesis isn't mine.
And bullshit Hikaru; we had multiple discussion on the anti-christ and the like. You didn't just up and decide. Not to mention unless they're screenshots I don't trust any logs you provide. You have always been known to manipulate, cheat, and lie to everyone to get YOUR way. I had never dropped the religious lore as it was an IC thing, and couldn't just up and be dismissed. Religion was used as a cover-story for the creation of free will. Destruction is one of the "chief" Embodiments because he and Eli try to keep the others in line. While Time may be neutral not every Embodiment is.
Ummm what? The AC lore was dropped the minute it was decided Eli and Koty were false gods OOC. Go back and read topics. Again, I stole nothing as the characters were babies without a story. You can't steal a baby -.-.
One WOULD HAVE went to you had you stayed but you gave to K2 who gave to me.
...Once I find the logs I can screenshot.
So yeah... discussion over? You had no defense on Destruction not being able to split like Emptiness did. Therefore, I see nothing wrong with it. You don't get to be special.
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I have every right to decide HOW Destruction works. I created it, and I'm the final say. Just as you are the final say for revelation and time.
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You get to say HOW if it makes sense. But that it can't be split? That's just trying to make it more special than other embodiment forces just so you can whine about how only you can have it.
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Where does the rational of an EMBODIMENT splitting make sense? It is a force given form to MAINTAIN a force. Splitting it cuts it power in half; as I doubt either of the children have any reason to perform their duties. This means Destruction has gone eight years without a suitable successor and would've moved on by itself.
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And what exactly would those duties be?
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Keeping other Embodiments in check, maintaining the force of Destruction, overseeing Hell, protecting Existence, protecting free will, creating change, and destroying shit.
Overseeing Hell was a very passive duty; seeing as Koty was sealed for the longest time.
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But that was Koty, Orph. You're not understanding embodiments. Just because Koty kept other embodiments in check or oversaw Hell, protected existence and free will. Doesn't mean the force would. The personality of each embodiment is different. Other than what the FORCE Destruction oversees, the rest would be more character chosen.
Same for Time, Asura is Neutral as she chooses to as that's the way she sees time. Doesn't mean if she ever died her successor would be the same. The successor may want to go out destroying crap.
So yes, Eli and Koty were important, they were chiefs as they were the last of the Perfect. But that does not mean their successors hold that same damn importance.
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You don't seem to understand Koty; he IS Destruction. He was the force's goals and ideals. The first incarnation and the most true.
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It doesn't make sense for a force to over see Hell when it's not that forces domain. Or protect free will. Hell wouldn't Free Will be it's own embodiment? (Albeit one I hope we never make.) And why would Destruction protect existence?
You said Koty was the seal.
That doesn't mean his Successors would hold the same ideals.
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Koty the mortal was the product of the seal; a false personality and mortal form given to something that NEVER had one. "Him" was the first incarnation of Destruction and was LITERALLY Destruction given physical form and thought. His successor would be a mortal chosen from the planes but he was the first and most pure form.
Destruction the force, and true embodiment created free will by "becoming" and "creating" evil and starting the Harbinger war. The demons and fallen angels are his responsibility as he was their creator and downfall. Hell is his domain as much as it is theirs. And Destruction protects Existence for the simple concept of self-survival and it's duties as an Embodiment. It represents a piece of existence itself, and would die to protect the whole.
Of course while the successor may not hold the same IDEALS; they would have the same duties once they fully sit upon the throne. It's a job as much as it is a power.
Hikaru; I've put literally years into writing Koty's backstory and lore. He was my second actual character in this entire RP; I know him and how HE works more then anyone. He was Destruction in it's purest form and unsealed Destruction would act similar to him if not exactly like him. Not Koty; but Destruction.
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Hell is Radical/Lucifer's domain last I checked...
And again, this still doesn't say why the power can't be split into equal halves. Embodiments only have duties to their force not all this extra crap unless they WANT to.
Again, you're trying to be special.
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Before that it was Destruction's; if you cared to remember the lore. He was the founder and the creator of the demonic race.
Even split into equal halves I told you neither would be able to use Destruction until the other was dead; WHEN you split them into two. That was my main reasoning for one of them being forced to die anyway. It's common sense; no entity would willingly half it's power when it could easily do otherwise. You're also misunderstanding what I'm saying; Koty unsealed was literally Destruction, and now that he's no longer among the mortal world Destruction would still carry the personality of "Him." The force would anyway; this doesn't mean any future successors become like "Him" but when the force itself can choose to either be split in half and weakened, or move to another successor I doubt it would let itself be weaker.
Last time I checked I still decide what Destruction is or isn't; it's goals, ideals, and actions belong to me.
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Last time I checked I still decide what Destruction is or isn't; it's goals, ideals, and actions belong to me.
USED to be long to you. You left and forfeit all your rights to it, remember?
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Emptiness is a force and it had no problem splitting.
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What is the backstory on Emptiness splitting?
Destruction has a choice in splitting itself; it wasn't FORCED to be split by external force. The Successor system wouldn't be as flawed as too weaken the embodiment; this is a system to make sure the closest damn things we have for Gods in this RP stay alive and strong.
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Back on topic....
RED how did Emptiness work?
To the rest, go bitch in the other split topic so we can get back on topic.
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The previous Embodiment of Emptiness split himself into multiple parts because he wasn't immune to his own force(loneliness is a form of mental emptiness, after all). Essentially, he split himself into Null and Void, both of which have the Embodiment status.
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The difference between Kotah/Ezael and Null/Void is that the latter perform their duties and stick together as a group. I do believe on occasion they separate but Kotah and Ezael do neither, and Destruction hasn't yet actually made them Embodiments yet; they're successors. A FORCE would have NO reason to consciously split it's power in half; an Embodiment is a living being with flaws though. A force is not.
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I personally don't like the idea of an embodiment splitting. But I do agree that Orph gave up his rights to Destruction when he left, we made that fairly clear. But Destruction and Creation are still the most powerful embodiments, because they were actual children of a Perfect and Imperfect couple. And we have said that when an embodiment's successor takes over, they effectively merge with all the past personalities, memories, etc of the embodiment before them.
So whoever the next embodiment of Destruction is will have memories of Koty's life, and his personality will merge with Koty, though Koty's will be slightly less influential in the merge. We've said this about embodiments countless times. But, I dunno if Destruction would simply find a new host when Kotah and Ezael are threatening to destroy each other. Koty named his "child" as his successor. But he never specified which one, cause he thought it was only gonna be one child, not twins.
So the force of Destruction has to name one of the two successor. I'd think it would PICK which one. I doubt it would give both of them the power, split. Sure both of the children would have some control over Destruction, just like Chaos has some control over Anarchaic abilities, but only one would be embodiment... Which I suppose Hik should choose.