Shattered Planes Archives (Seasons 4 & 5)
The Board => Archive => Void => Topic started by: Beware Ye Who Enter Here on April 16, 2012, 06:37:39 PM
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Me and Orph never been that great of friends, but I would have to agree with him on this. Hikaru has no right to modify what isn't her creation or use it without his permission. On top of that if she truly stole those characters thats even worse. If we did that we would be banned so how is this fair?
Logan, when has anything involving Hikaru ever really been fair?
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Me and Orph never been that great of friends, but I would have to agree with him on this. Hikaru has no right to modify what isn't her creation or use it without his permission. On top of that if she truly stole those characters thats even worse. If we did that we would be banned so how is this fair?
Logan, when has anything involving Hikaru ever really been fair?
Good god I feel a rant coming on. I once again have no personal problems with Hikaru but why the hell does she get special treatment? When she threaten to ban Hawkeye just because he wasn't going to post in a topic all she got was a slap on the wrist. If I would have done it I would of got de-admin and banned. She steals characters apparently, if we would have done it we would have been banned. She works her characters in to be the strongest ever, yet if we tried to we are denied. Why the special treatment? Someone on the staff answer me that.
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Look, Hik, where I come in is where I feel that something is happening that isn't fair, right, or I just don't like. My post that doesn't have anyting to do with topic at hand was in response to Logan.
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Logan: What would happen if we stole other people's characters? We'd get banned.
Me: Since when is anything involving Hikaru fair?
I said that because you, more often then not in my experience, get your way or you work your way into some sort of advantage. I dont have anything against you personally but you are not known for your reasonability when it comes to these matters. If I need evidence I point to the time I won an argument regarding the 'theft' of a technique, had the other staff on my side, and you shut down the site until I apologized for it. Then the topic was deleted, if I remember correctly but that may not be the case. Just saying, but there are plenty of times where you've done something drastic and used that as leverage.
As for backseat modding, just putting your two cents into a conversation isnt a staff-only right, nor should it ever be.
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As for backseat modding, just putting your two cents into a conversation isnt a staff-only right, nor should it ever be.
At this point because of how you've thrown around the term, I am convinced backseat modding is in no way a bad thing. Seriously, you told me to stop backseat modding on my own topic. There is nothing wrong with speaking for yourself, and at this point I am convinced it is only an accusation to try and gain leverage or a lazy staff member who doesn't want to have to think.
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As for backseat modding, just putting your two cents into a conversation isnt a staff-only right, nor should it ever be.
At this point because of how you've thrown around the term, I am convinced backseat modding is in no way a bad thing. Seriously, you told me to stop backseat modding on my own topic. There is nothing wrong with speaking for yourself, and at this point I am convinced it is only an accusation to try and gain leverage or a lazy staff member who doesn't want to have to think.
I feel this needs to be said because apparently our members just don't get it. Have you EVER been on larger RP forums? Or hell, it doesn't even have to be RP. Game forums, tech forums, general spamming forumgs, whatever it may be! I'll tell you the rules are way FUCKING harsher than here. Backseat modding? Banned maybe just suspended, but also told off. Arguing with a staff member? Locked and suspended. Complaining? Told to deal with it. The argument this topic is giving out? Back at Lyoko's post it'd have been locked and discussion ended with the whole "Orph lost it all."
Now either I suggest you stop fucking complaining and trying to take a mile when given an inch. Those forums don't lose their members either, the members just shut up and deal with it. Go to other forums and pull the bullshit you're pulling. You won't last a damn week.
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Hik, its always been this way on SP. Thats why we stay on SP. I dont give a shit about what other forums are doing. If they want to do that then fine, but they probably have more members so they count for less. SP cant afford to be as harsh because its only got a few members.
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We can afford to say fuck off when you backseat mod. It doesn't help topics, it just adds more flaming, more arguing, and more bitching. Honestly, I'd say that should warrant a warn. We're being lenient not doing so. But seriously, stop.
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It can help topics! As I recall, Hiro was added to the staff because he was so good at backseat modding and being an arbitrator. Having someone new put in their own thoughts and opinions can help shed light onto a topic, open up a different viewpoint, expose error where it is seen and even, yes, stop the 'bitching'.
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I get that there's a time and a place when backseat modding is a bad thing (like when someone repeats something a staffmember had already said), but here it never reaches that. Someone pulls out a legitimate thing that wasn't brought up at all, and what happens? He's yelled at for backseat modding.
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It can help topics! As I recall, Hiro was added to the staff because he was so good at backseat modding and being an arbitrator. Having someone new put in their own thoughts and opinions can help shed light onto a topic, open up a different viewpoint, expose error where it is seen and even, yes, stop the 'bitching'.
There's a difference between helping topics with useful information and bitching at people or agreeing at someone else bitching. There's a difference between giving help and flaming.
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Yes, yes there is. However, as far as I've seen, it is mostly the benevolent kind. There are times that people have 'backseat modded' but thats happened with the staff too.
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Nik, Zack. Stop arguing with her. If there are problems with Hikaru, they will be dealt with by STAFF. End of the argument gentlemen... That is your last warning.
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Nik, Zack. Stop arguing with her. If there are problems with Hikaru, they will be dealt with by STAFF. End of the argument gentlemen... That is your last warning.
I disagree with the ending of the argument. I will admit one thing. The reason while SP works so well is that we are able to take our problems out in the open and actually deal with them. A good board is one where the members do get say in what goes on but don't get too much. There is simply a line that shouldn't be crossed when it comes too complaining about another member's wrong doings, but Hikaru isn't another member. She is a staff member. Everything she does greatly affects us. So if Zack and Nik have a problem with her about how she is fulfilling her duties they should bring it to light for everyone to see. Though I agree that this isn't the time and place for it. They should in turn make a topic to focus on their problem.
To comment Hikaru's comment on other boards not allowing this, that is why they die. Because all the problems are bottled up and kept off the forum until someone gets pissed off and a whole war begins that drives everyone away. I believe if I remember correctly that CLTCG saw something like that at some point. But after that CLTCG want more public. Because of that it lasted til K2 and Hikaru (Or who ever it was) brought it down.
As for you Nik and Zack, as friend to friend I will say you should pick your battles more carefully. If you guys want to win any change you need to understand that there is a time to stand up and speak and a time to sit down and be quiet. It won't do you any good if you got banned, in fact it would weaken your cause.
Good god I feel a rant coming on. I once again have no personal problems with Hikaru but why the hell does she get special treatment? When she threaten to ban Hawkeye just because he wasn't going to post in a topic all she got was a slap on the wrist. If I would have done it I would of got de-admin and banned. She steals characters apparently, if we would have done it we would have been banned. She works her characters in to be the strongest ever, yet if we tried to we are denied. Why the special treatment? Someone on the staff answer me that.
I don't even want to get into answering this as it should be obvious and I've explained it before, but whatever.
The threat was a god damn empty threat as a joke. I didn't ban him, nor did I plan to. It was just a "Wonder if he'd hurry up if I said that." And by now? Hawkeye should have know that. I wouldn't have said it to anyone else as they'd take it seriously. But Hawkeye by now would even know it was just for reaction. Plus I knew he wasn't really busy and it was more of just a scare for again, reaction.
Had I done it and actually serious? Um yeah I'd have been fucking de-adminned and probably suspended a while.
I DID NOT steal the characters. And AGAIN you shouldn't even be fucking commenting on that with just one testimony. God, it's like a match at grade school. One person says someone did something, all the kids take their side just because they can. Fucking retarded.
It doesn't matter if you were serious or not. As you pointed on a bigger forum backseat modding is punishable offense, but threats, even if empty is bigger deal then backseat modding. I don't take this a funny joke. Neither did Hawkeye who was freaking out about this. The rest is serious problems. I get now you are simply bragging about your character and I respect you for taking pride in it. But you make it sound like it is goddly powerful. That can be taken the wrong way. I don't really even care about the character to be honest. I was mad when I typed it. Though it is true if we tried to come up with a powerful character you are the first to deny. I also think that perhaps you may have not stolen Orph's characters but in turn what really gives you control over them? I don't think you are the default proxy for everyone unless said otherwise, so why did you get the characters? I think your problem with the characters can be worked out though. Simply consult with him. Understand Destruction better by its creator. If you do perhaps there won't be a problem.
As a note we didn't all jump to his side because he said you did it. I personally have seen you at your worst and you stealing a character isn't even to beginning to be you at your worst. So I could see you actually doing this. To what gains, I have no idea but I don't put this kind of thing past you. And if you have a problem with how bad I think of you prove me wrong. Change.
I'm sad about what happened with Gaserlake but it perhaps opened a door for you. It shows you can care about others to a higher degree and for that I think it gives you promise. It shows you have the ability to change and perhaps be the bigger person
Also Lyoko, careful on what measure you take. I'm not trying to tell you how to do your job but the whole point they are coming out and fighting now is because they can't turn to the staff to solve this problem. In the past we have seen that the staff hasn't been able to deal with the problem. K2 is a great admin but whenever there is a problem with Hikaru he says he'll talk to her about it. That is as far as that goes. Jeebus (unless it is a serious matter) will send you to K2 who will in turn repeat his steps. If you want to Hikaru for problems about Hikaru then in turn you would pretty much be an idiot. And finally you and Hiro are mods so you really can't touch her. In turn if they post it out in the open we all see what is going on. If a post is deleted or the topic is closed unless the problem has been actually resolved it will in turn show that they are right.
Until the reforms this is considered to be in a state of civil war. You need to do your job but at the same time you don't want to completely silence them unless it gets out of hand. Otherwise you will be playing right into their hands. They want you to take measures. That way it proves that they are right. The best way to deal with them is to make sure the topic stays on topic, and stop overly flaming or flaming matches.
I agree this problem should have been dealt with the staff but the problem is the staff is too good of friends or knows they have no control over the situation. I'm not saying the staff shouldn't be all friends but when it comes to the sake of the board they should understand once they sign in to do actually staff things they are professional. They need to act like it in order to achieve what this board is capable of.
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FINALLY. Someone who actually understands what a board's staff is supposed to do. And the ironic part? He's the one me, K2, Orph and Gaserlake lead a mutiny against at the end of Season 3.
Things need to be fixed, things need to be put out in the open. Yes, bigger boards can get away with refusing its members the ability to do anything about the staff, but small boards can't. You all saw what happened the last time I tried to quit the board entirely. Half its members decided to join me. You need to understand, Hikaru, you can't simply run it with an iron fist. Deal with it.
Now, instead of arguing about this board does things this way, that board does them this way, blah blah blah, let's actually get things accomplished, shall we? The biggest threat the board faces right now is a tie between the lack of IC posts and the neglectful/disrespectful actions of the staff.
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<~Hikaru> But like the other stuff? Seriously. I haven't even been back a week yet, and "Hikaru needs to go off staff?" WHAT MAY I PRETELL DID THE FUCK I DO?!
<~Hikaru> What Orph accuses of me without proof that I gave what really happened and solved?
<~Hikaru> A damn empty threat OFF-SITE to hawk about posting or he's banned (for a damn laugh) ?
<~Hikaru> OH WAIT
<~Hikaru> Maybe it's because I slacked off because of COLLEGE!
* Dan idles
<~Hikaru> And wasn't active as I should be, oh I'm sorry that I paid attention to educationf irst.
<Swiftyuki> knowing hawk, he takes that seriously
<~Hikaru> Well they can all rest now. Because of Jail I got dropped from my classes.
<~Hikaru> I have all the time in the world now.
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First off the Message was a PM on site. Second off I don't think the jail thing matters to me. Third off my whole problem is with the way the staff currently works. This isn't just a war waged at you. When I say this isn't personal I mean it. My earlier posts have been directed to your doings because they show us the most on how broken the staff is. This isn't really so much as a personal war as it a political war I guess. We as members want more done about problems. We want action. I personally was dictating what I gotten out of all this problem with my last post.
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I've never had a problem with your inactivity. When the whole staff is inactive then I'm unhappy, but you don't really approve my stuff much. I end up not caring about your activity that much because of it.
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Look. You as members need to realize and respect our reasons for being inactive. We can't be here 24/7. Additionally, problems with staff will be dealt with by staff. We all know what goes on, and we try to fix it. It doesnt help if we have members bitching to us left and right.
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Look. You as members need to realize and respect our reasons for being inactive. We can't be here 24/7. Additionally, problems with staff will be dealt with by staff. We all know what goes on, and we try to fix it. It doesnt help if we have members bitching to us left and right.
Lyoko, if I told you to relax would you bite my head off? I understand that you won't be active 24/7, I'm hoping reforms come up with a system to fix this problem. I also understand problems need to be solved by the staff but if the staff don't keep us informed on what is happening nothing really has to be held accountable. In the end when nothing changes we have no one to blame. I personally think if a board like this is going to work everything has too be left out in the open we should all be apart of chats that effect us. If not then whats the point of being here? Even the larger boards takes the time to let everyone know what is happening
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Its not a problem of getting online, but when I post a request and it's left there for months on end things get frustrating.
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Its not a problem of getting online, but when I post a request and it's left there for months on end things get frustrating.
Exactly. I'm tired of the same ol' excuse.
"We're not on 24/7."
But when staff ARE; I see them sit there and don't do anything. Or you update THEIR requests or THEIR things. Ignoring your responsibilities as staff.
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When I finish my requests, I IM the staff. :/
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They don't like that. To be honest, I can sympathize, but to be fair it shouldn't come to that.
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I generally do that to get things going instead of waiting there for them to come on their own sweet time :/
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I'd probably never get anything looked at unless I make Jeebus or Kaleb aware, or just yell a lot.
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Yelling gets you nowhere really.
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Actually I've told people to either IM, PM or catch me on IRC if I don't catch it. I just don't like when Hawkeye does it because he SPAMS my IMs with nothing but SP.
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Look. You as members need to realize and respect our reasons for being inactive. We can't be here 24/7. Additionally, problems with staff will be dealt with by staff. We all know what goes on, and we try to fix it. It doesnt help if we have members bitching to us left and right.
We understand you can't be on 24/7. But we have requests that have been waiting MONTHS. We should not have to remind you guys about damn near every request. And yes, numerous members have seen you guys online and not going anywhere near the request area. Stop blaming us for your own mistakes.
Staff problems are not just staff problems. Any problems that affect the staff affect the board as a whole. YOU need you realize and respect our desires to be clued in on what's going on with the board WE are absolutely integral towards the survival of. We all have a LOT of time and creativity invested in this board, we deserve to know what's going on. So yes, while it is the Staff's job to solve the problems, it's also the Staff's job to keep people informed, a task you guys have been failing horribly at.
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Last time I checked I still decide what Destruction is or isn't; it's goals, ideals, and actions belong to me.
USED to be long to you. You left and forfeit all your rights to it, remember?
I have to ask. Where did you see this rule? I'm thinking about taking the Atama and Akida plot on to another RP too and see how they do compared too us.
Also Chase and Hikaru, think of your selves as the president of this board. Of our Country. That is the job you guys are doing. And if you seen Obama he doesn't sit there and tell us every bit of detail but him and the others tell us what needs to be heard. The idea of Orph being made into a mod shouldn't be public beyond you guys are considering it. The idea of changing the request system should be made public though for this will affect us all. Now do you get what we are saying?
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I have to ask. Where did you see this rule? I'm thinking about taking the Atama and Akida plot on to another RP too and see how they do compared too us.
Also note, anything and everything you post on Shattered Planes is part of the story. You give up all Intellectual Property rights by posting your content here.
http://shatteredplanes.com/forum/index.php?topic=4904.0
It's been in the rules since forever. It also part of the reason I don't take my most aamaazing stuff to this site since I would like to, y'know, use it elsewhere.
Yes. This rule has held my creativity and my best stuff back. 8D
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Thanks. That will help a lot knowing.
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Zai you're taking the rule out of hand... It's to prevent people that pull their stuff when they decide to 'quit' and hold it hostage as copyrighted material to sue the board and make staff remove it. Thus forcing staff to either rewrite a shit load or let the RP collapse without the person and their 'property' (posts, characters, story) ...Yes even I'm guilty of attempting that. Like where I said if I got de-staffed I'd leave and take my stuff with me in the past.
I don't think it means that you can't have your stuff on other boards or stories, or such. The only conflict that would arise is when we do the anime and Hell, that's years and years off, especially for SPs part of the Anime. You don't need to hold back due that rule.
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I realize that, but the chances of something official being publish from SP is not zero. That, and I've been putting thought into getting some stuff published myself. It wouldn't look too great on me if it was found out that the same thing was owned by SP long before the book was actually put out.
Now, back on topic. ... A topic I want nothing apart of!
/me leaves the thread faster than one can say 'Fluttershy.'
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There's going to be an anime of SP?
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There's going to be an anime of SP?
Off topic Nik >>;
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Here's a perfect example as to where reforms lead us when led by Logan.
http://shatteredplanes.com/galacticempiress3/index.php?showforum=565
...Now do you really want to follow him? When he's the one that shut down a whole board just because a planet was destroyed when he didn't want it to be destroyed AND made the whole RP about him and his characters and no one else?
He talks big, but he's really no better.
http://shatteredplanes.com/galacticempiress3/index.php?showtopic=3431&view=findpost&p=13182
At least I won't shut the whole thing down if I'm staffed. It's not my right to anyways. Jeebus is head.
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Hik, I really hate to say it, but you DID shut down the site. And for a reason arguably more ridiculous than his apparent reason. And not long ago, a lot of the members did feel the plot was entirely centered on the Staff's characters alone(this is changing, yes, which is a good thing, but I do not think its all the way there, as yet).
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Hikaru you've given us no real reason to trust that you won't simply shut down the board if we do something you don't like. You have done it several times before. And no, this isn't following Logan, this is following me. I am the one who asked Logan to help me round people up.
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That wasn't my point. My point was that you're all going to sit here and listen to Logan and let him lead rallying when he's just as bad if not worse.
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Your right I did shut down the board, why? Because where getting those spam bots:
http://shatteredplanes.com/galacticempiress3/index.php?showtopic=3463
You've shut the board down simply cause you lost an argument. I see the difference!
There are a bunch of topics like it. Also I may have not been the best leader back then, I had faults but that was four years ago and the difference is, not only have I've changed, but that was also the board I made myself. How I run the board may not been the best but it still lasted longer then where this board is head. How much have you changed Hikaru? Still shutting things down when they don't go there way, self centered as always, and my favorite is hotheaded. You haven't changed at all. If we do get reforms and we convince you to change, I give it a week before you go back to your old ways. In fact I'm daring you to change. Prove me wrong not because you want to, because you hate me.
Lets go over the things I did right: I let the members know what was going on to the best of what I knew. I kept on top of requests. I tried my best to create systems that would be for the good of everyone. Not just my own characters. The systems I in fact added were for everyone too use, not just those with my permissions. I also up until the end tried my best to help everyone and didn't just pay attention to my own topics or the topics of the people who I hated.
I'm not asking anyone to put me as an admin, I may have asked for mod in the past (I'm a good mod might I add) but what I'm doing is having the members unite under the interest of change. It is actually kind of sad that the only reason you released the archives is so you can dump them all over me. Yet the funny thing is, everyone who is with me on the subject knows what happened. They know all about that already. So perhaps if they did actually follow me it is because I'm right. As I said to someone else I made my mistakes, I know that. I accept that they were personal failures on my part but that doesn't mean that I'm the same as I was four years ago when I was a sophomore in high school.
Here is a great example why they follow the cause (Sounds like a cult to me. O.O):
http://i46.tinypic.com/eqcmt0.png
You said you were joking but looking over the message not once do I see anything that suggests you are joking. The message tone is quiet clear.
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Your right I did shut down the board, why? Because where getting those spam bots:
http://shatteredplanes.com/galacticempiress3/index.php?showtopic=3463
There's this thing called "Blcoking registration" Or "must be approved by admin only". SP does it to prevent that :/
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Your right I did shut down the board, why? Because where getting those spam bots:
http://shatteredplanes.com/galacticempiress3/index.php?showtopic=3463
There's this thing called "Blcoking registration" Or "must be approved by admin only". SP does it to prevent that :/
Yeah, but at the time the members weren't even coming on anyways. I have already said I have made my mistakes. What happens on another board isn't going to effect this one, or change it. If we want change we will have to focus on this one at hand.
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Here's a perfect example as to where reforms lead us when led by Logan.
http://shatteredplanes.com/galacticempiress3/index.php?showforum=565
...Now do you really want to follow him? When he's the one that shut down a whole board just because a planet was destroyed when he didn't want it to be destroyed AND made the whole RP about him and his characters and no one else?
He talks big, but he's really no better.
http://shatteredplanes.com/galacticempiress3/index.php?showtopic=3431&view=findpost&p=13182
At least I won't shut the whole thing down if I'm staffed. It's not my right to anyways. Jeebus is head.
Falacy: Personal attack- the entire post attacks Logan rather than addressing the issue. Wouldn't that be considered flaming?
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Here's a perfect example as to where reforms lead us when led by Logan.
http://shatteredplanes.com/galacticempiress3/index.php?showforum=565
...Now do you really want to follow him? When he's the one that shut down a whole board just because a planet was destroyed when he didn't want it to be destroyed AND made the whole RP about him and his characters and no one else?
He talks big, but he's really no better.
http://shatteredplanes.com/galacticempiress3/index.php?showtopic=3431&view=findpost&p=13182
At least I won't shut the whole thing down if I'm staffed. It's not my right to anyways. Jeebus is head.
Falacy: Personal attack- the entire post attacks Logan rather than addressing the issue. Wouldn't that be considered flaming?
No, its only when blatant uncalled for insults are thrown out with any respect or logic in the post.
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It's still near enough to be disrespectful and useless towards the current argument. Besides, as I said before, I am the one who called for this reform with my ATTN: Administrators thread, I asked Logan for his support in gathering other like-minded members.
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This post I worked on last night on the problems I see. If others have things they want to add they are free too.
Nik, let her be. She may be personally attacking me but most of this debate on needing reforms as had someone personally attack her. I don't blame her for attacking someone personally. She even brought up good points. But her attacks were petty. What she needs to understand out of the 17 ACTIVE users 11 of us are for reforms. 2, Jeebus and Hiro, of us are leaning towards reform but also understand their are other problems in place of this, or have other reasons or intentions. While 2 more, Hikaru and Chase, are leading against the reforms. And finally the last 2, K2 and Cap, hasn't really said anything on this because they haven't been on. But K2 was pushing towards reforms last I heard. In the end the whole member base has begun to rally in order to push for reforms. You can try to stonewall this all you want Hikaru but there is 11 of us who wants reform, and if we don't have it we can just as easily go some where else and tell everyone about why we left here. Do you think the site would function real well with just a total of 5 people, all who are staff? Thats what you are doing right now, pushing the members away.
You guys (The staff) are like the senate. You discuss things in private but we should also know what the hell you are voting on when it effects us as a whole. I don't think the member base should be kept in the dark like this. Jeebus has shown he is willing to keep us inform in his doings. If you truly want us to trust you as members and in the end respect you Hikaru, you have to trust and respect us first. It's that plain and simple.
This is a point toward Hikaru personally. It has been expressed by a few other people: I'm getting pretty sick of all this your way is the only right way and we are members and we don't know anything crap. I'm also getting sick of you being so active but all you do towards the requests is stonewall people who you don't like but don't bother accepting anything else. I have quiet a few characters, along with Kota, and who ever else where you have just dropped in and tried to completely stonewall us simply because you don't like us. And don't say it isn't true because we all know it is. Hell I think even Jeebus and K2 know it. Some of those characters we put time in molding and you come along and sit there and pick apart little details so it can get denied.
Another big problem is the inactive staff. While Hikaru is always on to deny her enemies things, all the other staff are only on once in a while. Then they use an excuse for why they haven't done requests because they are busy with other staff duties, yet the staff characters seem to get approved faster. Lets look at some of mine. I begged and begged for approval and maybe got some 3 to 6 weeks later after that message when I begged, unless I annoyed someone in the process. One of K2's character sat there for a while, was approved for number one by you. Sat there for quiet a while then I asked Chase if he would approve it and he did like within 5 minutes of getting my message. See a problem? If your guys staff duties take up too much time hand them down. You can just as easily hand the requests down to members who understand things, like mine and Orph understand of Technology would be a great help but none of you accept it. Right now I think Swift is doing a better job at keeping up with requests, and she isn't a staff and no offense swift it does kind of get on some of our nerves (Not mentioning who though cause you could probably guess yourself.). In the end I understand most staff has a life. That is great, but perhaps you should put a little more time into actually looking through and approving requests then your own personal topics. It is pretty sad that I understand that if I want to do a plot that involves characters, that I need to request those characters three months in advance at least.
Here is another big problem. This is an RP forum, yet none of us really RPs, have any staff members ever stop to figure out why? Hikaru you like to bring up the past so lets look at another board almost everyone here knew. CLTCG. It was a trading card game, but one day everyone stopped playing. Every now and then their would be a few games played but in the end the board became a chat site, then it was shut down. That is the direction this is board is heading unless some intervention happens. I don't know the reason why no one is doing anything IC, I haven't asked, but it isn't my job too either.
You talked about how self centered I was on GE, and I would like to say though things are changing her this whole story that we all uses is full of self centered plots. The Sage 3 is written all over this place. We all know who you guys are because you are like the big cheese. The only time I see anyone (normally) involved in your plots is because either someone butted in or you are allowing them in. Unless I'm mistaken (And I could be but Kota off board statement is backing this idea up) The events don't even matter really. Everyone who played Mass Effect 3 are pissed because their choices didn't matter in the end. I'm pissed because the events have no effect on the outside worlds. The excel tournament, other than making someone super powerful in the end what effects will it have on anywhere else? I don't see Luna City effected by it. It isn't that far away from the K City either.
Back to Character Requests problems. We are only allowed one Embodiment, which that is fine I understand that but lets look at you Hikaru, how many do you have? I know you have Time and Destruction. That is for sure. What about the rest of the staff? I don't understand what gave you the right to take on this second embodiment when we are only allowed one.
My favorite problem. No staff reaction. Part of being a professional staff is actually doing what needs to be done to solve problems. There has been problems in the past that has either been left un-dealt with or with no punishment. Hikaru's message to Hawkeye was answered with, "I'll have a long chat with her about this." from K2, he may have talked to her but I don't really think it was the most appropriate action. He should have in my opinion had her stay away from the board a week if he didn't want to really take a vote on de-admining her or something. Just talking about it changes nothing. Another thing is we have been fighting that there needs to be reforms for at least 4 of this topic pages, this topic is one giant important staging ground and yet the staff has all read and posted in this topic yet none of them have done anything to start reforms, I mean you don't have to jump in but you could at least start an open debate on what needs to be changed.
Lets move along to another IC problem, in fact this may be why no one is doing anything IC. It's dull. It is pretty much the same stuff different planet. The K Empire sits there smug with a sense of feeling supreme to other groups, Hikaru wanders about for some reason with the occasion of actually doing something, Hawkeye's races get wiped out, and then constant power struggles every now and then. Add dialog and that pretty much could sum up SP's story. Don't get me wrong, every now and then we have a great plot idea that goes through. And some that people pass up because of those who came up with the idea. None of the plots really have an effect as I said before. Unless someone dies I don't really pay attention. Sure I'm missing out on important information but whats the point of reading it when in the end I know how it will probably go. I like playing but I don't over post myself because once my ideas run out I'll be sitting on my hands wondering what I'm going to do next.
And finally the grand finale of this long post. Your admin position. You are so scared of losing power, which you should be, but what you never stopped and thought about is Nisorin has not once said he wants you gone. Nisorin is like the head guy for the reforms on our end. I'm just the person rallying the people to support him. Despite all the problems with you being in power Nisorin wants to give you the chance to more than likely fail unless you can change. A majority of the members think that you shouldn't be admin and that in the end you should sell the domain to Jeebus for the sake of the board, I strongly agree with them. But Nisorin has stated, this idea of reform, isn't a war against you. We aren't all doing this because of you. Some of us actually see a problem with how things are going and want it to be changed. Though some of us see you are a problem, you are more than likely going to be keeping your admin position unless you pull the same shit you have before. I'm not above kicking your ass to the curve myself, but I also am willing to give you a fifth or sixth chance if you are willing to change what you are doing. We are people Hikaru, we don't respond well to threats, shutting the board down, or being a total ass too us. If you can understand this above any of the other things that would be great. Once we can all sit down like mature adults and civilized people we can make this forum something great!
And as another response to Hikaru's personal attack on me. Go ahead and attack me all you want. I might get a little mad, but if you are expecting me to blow up like I would have done in the past you are sadly mistaken. Part of being mature is understanding that in the true reality, people are going to say things to bait you, but how you react will define if you can take control of the situation. You are no longer dealing with some bad tempered kid. You are now dealing with a more mature adult. Which is probably what will be the deciding factor in the end to uniting more people too our cause. As too the staff. Let her flame me, try to bait me, and attack me all she wants. I'm not going to turn this into a flame war. I'm mature enough too accept this. But all it does for her in the end is prove that her judgment is still clouded by the gaserlake incident or that she isn't really mature enough to handle being on the staff. I hoping she will in turn just accept the fact we are all suppose to be adults, or at least not elementary students, and that it would be more productive if we have a true reform debate as some.
And also know this Hikaru, in the past I've been a nice as I could possibly be to someone who doesn't even remotely see me as a human or respect me. There is no reason to drag what has happened else where on to here. Those problems from the older board were from the older board. They are old. If you like I can ask Comex and whats his name from that forum that had the code lyoko episodes at one point (can't remember what it is called) and have them draw a list of all the stuff you have done in the past. I'm pretty sure your list is way the hell longer than mine. :/
In the mean time, lets all cool down and try to collect our thoughts a bit, for those members who are the rally for reform (LOL funny how I can pop out random names for us.) keep thinking of other things that should be addressed and post them in our main area so we can see them and debate them before bringing them before the staff.
I would also like to apologize for the staff, for example like Jeebus, where some of these points don't apply to him and some may be the same for others. I just think if there is a problem with one of you then there is a problem with all. You guys are a team, and no one on your team is going to get off the hook simply because they try to help the members.
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You know what Logan, go ahead, I don't care, LEAVE.
(Only read paragraph one of your post by the way.)
As far as I'm concerned SP isn't about the members it's about the story. Re-reading the OK archives shows that, it's ALWAYS been about the story! From the OK to GE, and now to SP. It doesn't matter who fucking staffs it, or who fucking RPs it. You leave, we get more. You go somewhere? You can't take the story with you like you tried so many times back with the OK, so who the hell cares?
As long as the BIG players of the story stick around, the site will continue. That includes, K2, Me, Jeebus because he ICly made himself important, Cap for the same reason. Lyoko also. Orph USED to be important but not so much anymore, same with Nisorin. Zak and Hiro usually stick around their own races and don't really make themselves all that ingrained and completely needed to the plot even if they own a lot of territory. Hawkeye? Well he'll never leave, that's obvious.
So go ahead, make clear on your threat, go somewhere else. I'm calling your fucking bluff.
And if you go and try to make another clone? Well, as Kai once said, http://shatteredplanes.com/cltcgopposingkingdoms2/index.php?showtopic=18272&view=findpost&p=1811145
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Hik...Please read his full post. He makes plenty of good points that should be addressed, and only that first paragraph has anything to do with leaving as I recall. As for getting more members, that...Is a very, very, very rare occurrence, in my experience. Just saying...We might not be able to bulk up the site before it finally dies down. The site will not continue even if the 'big players' stick around if everyone loses interest, which given the state of the IC sections, is really kinda happening.
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Hik, you can try to make your story all you want but if you don't have any members who want to paticipate, you don't have an active, healthy site. Right now, you're simply showing that you're being irrational. Like Hiro said, please read Logan's full post, he seems to be trying very hard to find a compromise for all parties that solves the problems of the site.
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I reckon Logan made a tonne of good points. One big one that resonated with me is the importance of an integrated community. Sure, staff are important, but without the members, who will you oversee? More importantly, what fun would it be with just 5 staffsmen writing on the site? Things would get stale rather quickly, I reckon.
This is an important step for the future of the site. Unless this "reform" thing is fair dinkum, things'll just stay the same, and maybe, just maybe, the site would actually die.
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Since when do members not matter in an RP board? Without members there would be no story. Without us there is no point to being here, as staff or as writers. You are sitting here acting like a spoiled child demanding their way, all the while only serving to prove your own inability to handle your position. If you lose your staffhood it will not be anyone's fault but your own.
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Go ahead and try to have a site when everyone leaves; do you really think anyone would want to stay at a site after some crazy staff member drove off the entire member base?
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Hikaru with your post you just pretty much proved my point that you aren't cut out to be staff. You don't give a shit about the members under us. Also if we leave we would probably start a new rp. One that doesn't focus on key players like this. In fact you have already proved my point about only key players being involved truly in the story. Your post practically proved are case.
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That's not my point. Yeah sure I only care about 'key players,' the ones that are important to the story. An RP is a collaborative story. A roleplayers job is to CONTINUE the story. If you care more about bitching, whining, reforming, and who the fuck is staff over that, then GTFO. See if I care. Also, I never said I was afraid to lose my staff position nor did I say anything about my staff position. I only said I was sick of you attacking me when at the time I hadn't done a fucking thing to be attacked.
But yeah. To me it will always be the story, not the members, only those who continue the story. And if they can't continue the story, fuck them. Stick to the members who can.
If you see that as bad, so be it. Matters little to me.
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That's not my point. Yeah sure I only care about 'key players,' the ones that are important to the story. An RP is a collaborative story. A roleplayers job is to CONTINUE the story. If you care more about bitching, whining, reforming, and who the fuck is staff over that, then GTFO. See if I care. Also, I never said I was afraid to lose my staff position nor did I say anything about my staff position. I only said I was sick of you attacking me when at the time I hadn't done a fucking thing to be attacked.
But yeah. To me it will always be the story, not the members, only those who continue the story. And if they can't continue the story, fuck them. Stick to the members who can.
If you see that as bad, so be it. Matters little to me.
I do admit, even minor players matter. They contribute to the story as much as the major players. If you leave them behind, the major players end up with each other rather than to meet a new character and making some new "chapter". Minor characters are just as important with "user interaction" as well as the story line.
:/ I mean if it was just you and jeebus and a few other major characters, the entire thing would be so boring.
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But what defines a major and a minor? I'm saying the ones that continue the story OVER bitching seeing it as more important and getting over the bitching for that goal are more important than everyone that just decides to stop RPing and go on strike and abandon the true point of a roleplayer.
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But what defines a major and a minor?
That's a simple queston :/
Major characters have been there the entire time. Minors are just starting to join.
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That's not my point. Yeah sure I only care about 'key players,' the ones that are important to the story. An RP is a collaborative story. A roleplayers job is to CONTINUE the story. If you care more about bitching, whining, reforming, and who the fuck is staff over that, then GTFO. See if I care. Also, I never said I was afraid to lose my staff position nor did I say anything about my staff position. I only said I was sick of you attacking me when at the time I hadn't done a fucking thing to be attacked.
But yeah. To me it will always be the story, not the members, only those who continue the story. And if they can't continue the story, fuck them. Stick to the members who can.
If you see that as bad, so be it. Matters little to me.
You mean members who continue YOUR story; an RP is a collaborative world not just a single story. We all have the right to create our own plots and not to join YOURS or the site's "official" events. Which are nothing more then the staffs personal plot arcs. This RP isn't about your characters, K2's, mine, Jeebus', or any single player's characters. It's about them as a whole.
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Fuck major or minor characters; everyone has equal rights to the plot.
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Again, I didn't say major and minor characters. I said major and minor players.
And this is the last post I'm posting in this topic. I'll be sticking to my job as a roleplayer, to continue the story. ANY story.
Only reason I haven't been doing so is because most of my characters are held up by K2 at the tournament, or Cap who went and hiatused. Asura, Fido, and Rin are sadly the only characters I have to RP with at the moment.
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Because no one's posting/Biosphereelimination issue, my open characters are Blackout, Bone and Aquios
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Hikaru, Treason in the Embodiment City.
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But what defines a major and a minor? I'm saying the ones that continue the story OVER bitching seeing it as more important and getting over the bitching for that goal are more important than everyone that just decides to stop RPing and go on strike and abandon the true point of a roleplayer.
Oh yes cause all of this is bitching. You have heard it from the horse's mouth itself (Or pony lol). All we can do is bitch. We have brought serious ideas that you won't even consider.
The board is the structure for the rp. If the board caves in it is taking the rp with it. So understand that. Then your story will be no more. I doubt anyone is going to want to take another time jump or start on a different board.
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If something is used Icly, and certain staff members complain about it, they cannot revoke their approval just because they want to. This could be added to the rules perhaps, mainly because of certain issues.
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Hawkeye, a lot of time it is justified.