Shattered Planes Archives (Seasons 4 & 5)
The Board => Archive => Void => Topic started by: Queen Bright on July 19, 2012, 10:23:34 AM
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It's pretty sad when an RP site depends on the admins to be active whatsoever and cannot stand on its own when they are gone. That is NOT what RP is supposed to be like. I know we're without magic due to the event, but wasn't half the board and most of the current active people technology based empires anyways? That should not disrupt the flow of the RP as much as it seems to be doing.
We currently have nine active people, some of which who are rarely active or can't be, and the rest who can't post because the two admins that are on vacation (should be back by now but aren't) were holding the ropes to the topics our characters were in.
Currently Active:
Hiro
Zak (sometimes)
Cap (rarely)
Nik (rarely)
Bladeswipe (Was active but it seems he gave up due to the deadness)
Zai.. (who just got banned from the internet till fall)
Yuki
Lyoko222
And myself.
With this many people we should NOT be as dead as we are. So what gives and how can we fix it?
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Honestly, while most Empires are tech, our individual characters are usually magic. With the big giant AM Field thingy, I dunno about most people, but Im mostly unable to actually do too much with my characters. And part of my Empire's forces is still kinda in a battle with Orph. I guess I could still use the Lorcar, but the only way I even can use them is by attacking and the last two times I did the planet itself was either just gone or it was suddenly barren of life(though that second one I didn't formally completely take over but I was kinda waiting on Cap to three day rule and do whatever Bad Thing he was hinting was gonna happen which...Well...He never did, even before he went on his hiatus).
A lot of our characters indeed primarily use magic, so as long as the Magic's gone a lot of them are gonna be in limbo since we cant really do much of anything with them.
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I have to agree with Hiro on this. Without magic, the forum's really dead, despite the amount of tech out there. Technically, SP is more magic based. When they made CE, they wanted magic to be a rare thing, and make it Tech based in comparison to SP.
Since this forum was dying, I don't think it was a good idea to say 'HEY LOL I'M GONNA HAVE YOU GAIZ LOSE MAGICS KAY? c:'. The best thing to do was to wait for a little more activity and/or Make an event to recreate activity.
All of my characters depend on magic in a way or another. So this is really bad for me unless I play with my Helixes or Yuki/Kat. I'm a sitting ducky. c: *quack*
And Jeebus is technically back to the interwebs. He posted something about atending Uni and just a few minutes ago, Dylan told me he was talking to Jeebs. So....
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I dunno when they're taking it away. They seemed really serious about it yesterday, but they haven't taken it yet. I imagine they'll do it when I least expect it (Maybe I can get on through my PS Vita, but I dunno how they're going to go about doing it: passwording the connection, blocking my computer(s), or whatever else to name a few.)
Anyways, here's my two cents and a half. The magic being taken away kinda literally killed mostly everything I had since they all revolved around magic in some wa-
... wait, No, Solstici didn't. I could have done some nifty stuff with them and whatnot, maybe teach a few other characters how to use aura abilities to get a bunch of character development in.
/me retreats to his corner of emo regretting
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1: Waiting for a character and his equipment to be approved. *cough* staff *cough*
2: Still battling Orph and awaiting staff decision on 3 day rule.
3: Two characters still in the boarding topic.
4: Aser, Isaac, and many of my other characters are magic users and/ maybe dont have ties to the Zarethian Empire. As such, they're pretty much stuck wherever they were and are fodder.
5: Im the last post in many of my topics, including the Zarethian Empire's current issue with riots and the like. Lyoko hasnt responded and K2 is on Hiatus... Again.
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If i dont respond, then assume i forfeit my post after 3 days.
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Lol, we died. Good job Chase and/or Hikaru. [/sarcasm]
Don't kill me <3
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The fact is the board just isn't exciting anymore. It seems like we're just grasping for straws now. Yeah, the no magic thing was interesting, but now adding in a no tech thing? That's going to shut down all transportation to anywhere, strand all the characters where they are and lock everything down.
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Did everyone request tech using electricity because it was the easiest thing to do?
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It's not electricity that's the problem. It's Artificial Intelligence. Anything with programming is screwed, electrical or not.
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Lyoko said this in chat earlier: AI are not affected as badly as other tech. They now have a 'sense' to seek out Alpha. Electrical machinery other than the AI are affected and shut down until this event ends or is nulled(*Hint hint*). Tech that doesn't require electricity is not affected. Gas, nuclear, hydro-powered(Etc) items are not affected.
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Well, rather Sentient AI are. AI with the ability to think for themselves, and so on will have the natural urge to seek out the Alpha.
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All those things ARE electronic except gas and steam. Nuclear technology simply uses nuclear components as a generator of electricity.
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I learned something new today!
Anywho....If people still want to rp here and keep the site going, they need to learn to adapt and start regrowing from the ashes. Yes Hikaru, like a phoenix. Seriously, Learn to actually make use of yourself as 'mortals' and do something. Easier said than done and blah.
Hiro said the only characters he can use are his mages, and they don't have magic. So what? It's temporal. You can still use them. Have them acquire new skills in case this happens a third time instead of being a sitting duck. I have a plan for my characters who use magic. And I'll use them when I find someone to rp with during these events. Make a plan, stop procrastinating and do something.
OMFG NO MAGIX AND TECH, they're mortal for a time. Deal with it. It's basically like us in the real world but without electricity. Invent something powered by steam or gas. COME ON PEOPLE. This isn't hard if you think about it.
BUT IT TAKES A LOT OF STEAM AND GAS TO POWER THIS THING: so? Ever thought about making a 'Cycle' to keep the steam in and let the water particles collect and be reused as water ready to resteam? As for gas, you're on your own for that. I don't know if it can be reused gas.
OMAIGAWD BUT MY RACE WAS UBER POWERFUL WITH TECH AND SHITS. Oops. Try creating tech to keep surviving while everyone else dies because they don't have a brain. These events are setbacks and was bound to happen. But you can still do stuff.
I have a feeling people are going two either:
-Talk 'sense' to me now
-complain because they're too lazy to do anything
-complain because they aren't scientist with only the knowledge to say THIS PICTURE AND HIS IS HOW IT WORKS in the simplest way and a lot of text to make it seem awesome.
-Other negative actions.
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All those things ARE electronic except gas and steam. Nuclear technology simply uses nuclear components as a generator of electricity.
This... is actually a really misleading comment. What you mean is, all of these things are generally used to create electricity. That doesn't mean those are the only uses. Using your own example, nuclear technology produces electricity by creating heat, which is used as the heating implement in steam power (yes, nuclear reactors are big kettles). You don't have to use it in this way though. You could route that into something more mechanical.
But, I have to agree with Swift here. If I'm understanding the argument correctly, everyone's complaint is "we based everything we have on two things, and now we are being punished for our unoriginality!" If that's your complaint... why are you playing a competitive RP in the first place? And, if the answer is "for the RP value", then good job! Your characters still exist, and they now have real challenges to RP around!
But yeah. For anyone who's still struggling: Unless you're using EMTs and tesla coils (which I highly doubt, since I know most of you aren't that smart. No offence. Being smart isn't everything. Unless you're me), your technology isn't necessarily reliant on electricity, except for control. There's no reason you can't manually boot your engines, land your fleet, and fix stuff up to not be electricity reliant from the ground. This one was free. Next time you need solutions, you can negotiate for them. <3
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Well, all space-faring ships are out of commission. There is no control over them any more, and their crews are likely dead. Otherwise, you make a good point.
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But yeah. For anyone who's still struggling: Unless you're using EMTs and tesla coils (which I highly doubt, since I know most of you aren't that smart. No offence. Being smart isn't everything. Unless you're me), your technology isn't necessarily reliant on electricity, except for control. There's no reason you can't manually boot your engines, land your fleet, and fix stuff up to not be electricity reliant from the ground. This one was free. Next time you need solutions, you can negotiate for them. <3
Well, all space-faring ships are out of commission. There is no control over them any more, and their crews are likely dead. Otherwise, you make a good point.
Man, wouldn't it be funny if two people posted these comments directly back to back like this. Like, one person going "here's a possible solution" and the next person immediately going "all hope is lost, we'll never find a solution!" No, wait, that totally just happened, didn't it? Never mind.
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Another thing is, people are losing interest of the site itself. Yes, inactivity is one thing as well as the eclipse for magic and most tech. But another thing is, It's getting old for some people. Nothing new or exciting. Nothing that actually interesting is going on. Cancellation of magic? Surewhynot. +Tech. It was coming. Everyone should know this. But in all reality, there is no excitement anymore for the people who were here almost the entire time. Just the same basic things: Invade, event, cancel this, killed, invade, war, and other stuff I don't care to list because I'm a lazy kitty.
I dunno, From what I know, SP has been really violent IC: LOLOLOLIVADE->WAR->LOL PEOPLE DIED/TOOK OVER PLANET/KILLED THE ENTIRE RACE C:
That's just me. As soon as this event ends, Maybe we should have other events planned instead of reusing ideas(like cancelling magic and the tournament)
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I agree with this point about events.
If I may make a suggestion, from my limited knowledge, every threat the players have ever faced are some form of conscious enemy. That would be a great place to start mixing it up. A new type of threat will create a completely new reaction from players.
More than that, I'd have to look into the history of the site, but I'm guessing most of the events have been "crazy powerful being/race is doing bad stuff, possibly crazy powerful being/race is also doing good stuff, let's all paunch the bad guy!" Doesn't take twenty seconds to break that train of thought and throw in some actual variation for a change. Just sayin'.
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Aaand now I have absolutely no ETA on when they'll cut me off.
But now would be an amazing time for some solstici characters, as well as Novierians. >:3
(Blood dragons not so much since Blood Magic = Magic.)
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Blood Magic = Magic.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7g1g6WokD1rbzi6to2_500.jpg)
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Yes, I do say. >:{D
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Yes, I do say. >:{D
Good job ;u;
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Swift, please. They are taking out our empires for goodnesses sake. My empire uses electricity to power all of its stuff. Tech doesnt make you mortal but it severely cuts down on the options that we had! I suppose you dont exactly get this because your race is so primitive compared to par. We, however, have just had our communications cut, our ships and life support are down and we have no way to keep our empire connected. Without magic OR tech, our empires are crippled beyond imagining. AND thats just my organic empire. What about Hiro, whose Mechera use electronic systems to keep themselves in touch with the real world? If this 'event' goes into place then his characters are put into stasis, which is what I was going for in the other topic which you seemed not to realize.
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^Still arguing that "you removed two things and it's now impossible to do anything". Man, sure is a shame I didn't just post an explanation for how to make all your tech work, then mock someone for ignoring that I typed all of that and complaining that he couldn't make all his tech work. Or that would make you look equally as stupid as Lyoko, right?
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Swift, please. They are taking out our empires for goodnesses sake. My empire uses electricity to power all of its stuff. Tech doesnt make you mortal but it severely cuts down on the options that we had! I suppose you dont exactly get this because your race is so primitive compared to par. We, however, have just had our communications cut, our ships and life support are down and we have no way to keep our empire connected. Without magic OR tech, our empires are crippled beyond imagining. AND thats just my organic empire. What about Hiro, whose Mechera use electronic systems to keep themselves in touch with the real world? If this 'event' goes into place then his characters are put into stasis, which is what I was going for in the other topic which you seemed not to realize.
Instead of complaining you should really try to recover. So what? If you just thought about it for a minute, you can make tech powered by things other than electricity. Look at my Audidracons. They are powered by liquid crystal. Yes, it's technically an AI group. But who cares? It does use electricity to an extent, yes. But they are still functional.
Warning- sarcasm:
Oh no! My uber powerful empire who primarily uses electricity to power their tech can't use it anymore! My fleets are stranded in space and are going to die there! And we can't move anywhere or communicate to any other beings!
Okay. So? Big setback. YOU CAN STILL DO SOMETHING. Wait. I know. The option you'll most likely take is 'Not posting'. Well. Sucks doesn't it? You have other options. So do many of the tech-powerful users out there. They're too lazy and 'OP-spoiled' to even do anything during these events. They just want the easy way to do things or no way. That's just not fun. Instead of sitting on your ass and complain about it, do something that might help your empire continue thriving.
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Yes, I know my planet is very primitive in comparison. I did that for a reason. No, I did not foresee this event coming. It was dumb luck that I'm not really effected. Yay for me that tribes go around traditionally and haven't evolved into making light bulbs yet. I made it tribal for a reason. I hate most futuristic tech. Especially the requests here. I think it's ridiculous how much non-science was put into them. I hate most tech as it is. The most futuristic tech I'd want would be touch panels for art and a hover-board(as long as they work). That is really it.
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Mechara would be stranded, sure. Just don't post in that topic unless you can manage to find a way to 'miraculously' invent a new item to still converse with them. Oh hey look, there's an idea! Either way, you can still do things. And Lyoko didn't make this 100% clear, but there IS a way to prevent ALPHA. So good luck. Do what you do. Post or don't post. Don't post and Alpha exists. Post and there may be a way to prevent Alpha from completing his attack. It's really simple if you think about it instead of complain.
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Preferably the latter. Without you guys having any tech, I can probably conquer the galaxy by the end of the week. Just sayin'.
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I'd give a month, knowing how you forget things :P
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Point. I really need to get working on that tech stuff.
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Guys... The only thing im going to say is suck it up, get over it, and deal with it. Everyone has the power to prevent Alpha. Hell, even the Mechera could seek him out in Cyberspace. So adapt, or die. It's the ultimately law of nature.
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Alright, I wasn't going to bring this up because...Y'know, Im not actually sure why I wasn't going to bring it up. Maybe I was trying to think of a way around it like I usually do...But, well, eh, aside from MASSIVEA Deus Ex Machina thats probably gonna have to be metagaming or impossible now that I think of it there isn't any way. I suppose I could get over it if not for one thing:When you did this 'event', I was doing something on Elmora. The topic Frenzy if you didn't read it. Cap joined in because he had his fleet there, and long story short Elmora was going into withdrawal and the Marid evacuated all seven species of Elemental onto their ship. Which, I do believe you stated, now lacks any form of fucking life support. I know most races have internal magic but that doesn't do jack shit for the Elemental because they cant cast any spells like a 'oxygen independency' spell. They have never been able to because their magic is extremely specialized. And I dont know about you but Im doubtful anyone on that Marid ship has the materials nor the expertise to make a functioning atmospheric control system that doesn't rely on computers or software. Definately not before they run out of air and die. And Im NOT going to lose seven fucking species to a goddamn event that you dont even have to do any if it ICly, just 'lolzto this is whats going on kthxbai'. Its a very specialized situation, yeah, and I will honestly say I could deal with everything otherwise if not for that. I wouldn't post too much until it lets up or goes away because I honestly dont find all this too interesting to RP out but I could deal with it. But there is no way in hell Im losing seven races to fucking circumstance.
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I would say as the topic came before the event, have it not affected until the ship had reached somewhere safe? Aka say it happened in the past.
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We've only rarely treated topics that way, usually when someone isn't posting then another topic comes up and the topic is posted in again or its specified to take place in the past at the beginning. Besides that there isn't even a guarantee the Elementals even would leave the ship, since A: they cant go back to the surface, what with the tidal waves and earthquakes and whatnot, plus B:Their religions are very heavily influenced by the objects in their solar system(plus, yes, they are aware of how space works, they've had much contact with spacefaring races...Enough to know what their sun and moons happen to be physically). So its not like they'd accede to go live on another planet, not the Elemental Dark and Light anyways who literally worship the sun and moons(which are sentient blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda but they have basically no powers aside from a ability to communicate with each other somehow I haven't needed to explain). And the other races do view Elmora itself as a god, too, so Im unsure they'd avandon it even temporarily. I'll admit it is possible but I dont know how the topic's going to turn out either way.
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Everybody takes a loss from this event...
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except me because of dumb luck c:
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L-Rage, so help me if you're telling me Im going to lose the Elementals because of a fucking event that I cant fight back against at all I'll ban myself after removing all of my stuff from play, territories and characters and races and everything inclusive. Iunno, maybe they'll fall into a Chaos Warp. Haven't done those for a while. Im not fucking joking about this, its not a little sacrifice to be made, and its the one term I WILL NOT budge over. The ONE thing. I can understand everyone's gonna lose stuff, but its TYPICALLY not quite as important to them as seven fucking species and empires that you've spent days detailing just how they use magic and running their very religion in your head to determine if, in fact, they would welcome new ideas or shun them from their society. Might as well ask Hikaru to give up the Sages or Nis to give up the Relorians. Its. Not. Fucking. Happening. Got it?
*twitch, twitch, twitch*
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And i've also wiped out 1/4th of the Zarethians, decommissioned the DAIS, and countless other things... I get that you are probably taking one of the biggest, but that is only if you let that happen. Im fairly positive that they can be saved. Crash the fucking ship back into the planet, or something.
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L-Rage, there's a reason they were being evacuated and its not because Elmora's under attack by a Empire. As I said in this topic, Elmora, which is addicted to magic, is in withdrawal. Tidal waves, earthquakes, natural disasters abound x10. The planet is not safe. Besides that point, it isn't my ship anyways, its Cap's. Now, I dont think he'd value a ship over seven races, doesn't seem tp be his character's personality but I dont honestly know his character's personality. No offense, Cap, but you did say that the Marid would kill and take the place of a child just to learn what its like to grow up in that society. I have thought a lot of the options through, dont think I haven't. Maybe not all but a lot of them. Escape pods, they'd either die on the surface or starve in the pods(Marid dont eat and wouldn't be likely to have food in the pods). Crash the ship into the water, it'll probably eithet break open and flood or it'd remain sealed completely shut against vacuum since they dont have computers and suffocate. I will admit that it isn't a fact that the Elemental wouldn't agree to leave their home system but it'd be metagaming to just have them agree out if nowhere because of my knowledge. While I can see a few fun RPs blossoming from tgeir life in a new land I dont see them just agreeing to leave. And L-Rage, honestly? The DAIS are decommissioned for until Alpha's gone and over with. Its not like every last one of them will be deleted or that their ships will be gone or destroyed, they can just take their ships back once this is over.
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You could have something completely chaotic happen to botch some attempted technological teleportation or something that was attempted at the exact moment technology stopped working, which would botch whatever you tried to do. A botch would mean automatic FORCED teleporation (doesn't matter if there's no magic) to Deletrius!
Just a suggestion.
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Wait hold on I got a idea as a compromise that I cant believe I didn't think of earlier. Posting this to interrupt you if you're saying something already L-Rage.
And I'll readv that while posting my idea up Hik
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Hm?
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Hik your idea could work, if they teleport. Not quite entirely likely, but wont discount it, thank you for helping and giving me clever ideas and negotiating. I do appriciate this.
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L-Rage, his entire motivation is he's disgusted with Organics fighting and killing each other with technology, so he's taking it away, right? So why would he doom millions of people to death via suffocation? Dont tell me he wouldn't have thought of it, I know he would, he's a AI they'resmarterthanthat. What I propose is...Why shut down Life Support? Presumably he can put a full on lockdown on everything else while still allowing access and operation of Life Support systems, wouldn't he? Given that he's appatently able to hack computing systems of species both technologically older than he is and from another dimension, his mastery of code would be almost perfect. If its possible, which Im betting it is, why woukd he kill them all when he's trying to bring peace?
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It doesn't have to JUST be teleporation. Deletrius is the land of contradiction. Of lost, botched, and deleted things. Even just a malfunction aboard the ship when tech goes that creates a small contradiction would send them all to Deletrius. Use your imaaaagination.
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It doesn't have to JUST be teleporation. Deletrius is the land of contradiction. Of lost, botched, and deleted things. Even just a malfunction aboard the ship when tech goes that creates a small contradiction would send them all to Deletrius. Use your imaaaagination.
*Makes rainbows over hik's head* c: I hate that show.
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By all means, it is a good idea and had not occurred to me at all Hik. If L-Rage doesn't assent to my idea then, I will admit, that is something I can fall back on. Still, though, why WOULD the peaceAIperson kill everything? Its a question I've gotta ask, and honestly if this works out-either of them, honestly- then I haven't a problem as current to voice on this event.
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What show? I didn't get that line from a show.
And people you forget one other thing. INTERNAL MAGIC IS NOT DISABLED. So yes you would live in space, create to preserve oxygen within the body and to heat the body or even preserve your body. Hope is not lost, you just need to use your mind when it comes to all of this. And for the last resorts there is spirit energy.
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By all means, it is a good idea and had not occurred to me at all Hik. If L-Rage doesn't assent to my idea then, I will admit, that is something I can fall back on. Still, though, why WOULD the peaceAIperson kill everything? Its a question I've gotta ask, and honestly if this works out-either of them, honestly- then I haven't a problem as current to voice on this event.
That could quite possibly happen.
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INTERNAL MAGIC IS NOT DISABLED. So yes you would live in space, create to preserve oxygen within the body and to heat the body or even preserve your body. Hope is not lost, you just need to use your mind when it comes to all of this. And for the last resorts there is spirit energy.
Thought I adressed this, unless you dont mean me...Elementals are cripplingly overspecialized. I never thought I'd need to do something like this with them, and keeping with the 'Elemental' thing they have very, very little ability to use magic outside their respective elemental proficiencies...Which includes generic spells, unfortunately. As for SE, I dont think almost anyone knows how to use that. '>>
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FOr the Elementals, the water/air based ones could very easily use their magic to turn their own lungs (or similar organs) into magical devices that pull the oxygen from carbon dioxide, just as plants would. Hell, the earth ones could probably do that too, assuming they have an affinity with plants. If not, then whichever Elemental does have that affinity.
EVERYONE needs to stop bitching and start thinking. Stop complaining. Just shut the hell up and get shit done.
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No, seriously fuck this. Im sorry you guys but this is a dumb as hell event and its just jumping off the edge. I will not participate, rather, you know what? I might as well just say that due to the shutfdown of all computing technology, all my planets explode. Hows that for a happy ending? :D
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...Then you'll take the dumbass' lazy way out. Have fun with that dude, know that it'll cost you most of what respect you have on here.
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If I go as far as letting my planets explode then why the hell would I care what the people of the site think? Really, right now Im more against the idea that to get people posting you have to punish them. Hiro had the idea of ending the magic eclipse but nooooo we had to go with taking out the only other vital part of SP. yay.
But, I'll go to this note: If in fact my ships are not killed and the life support stays on, then I will indeed participate. However, if the ship's life support is turned off and it kills all those people then I will take all my stuff, kill it off and the site will be worse off for it because of our small memberbase. (That and Hiro will go if that happens because he REALLY likes the Elementals.)
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I'm watching active but until K2's event gets underway I can't do a damn thing. I pushed all my characters (Excluding the Lothar Academy, which is probably going to be a background group now.) into the event. The Attack on Luna City now requires K2 as well, so I honestly can't do anything until K2 gets back so until then I'll just keep watching.
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So every single one of you is going to let Synthe go along with his plans and stop all war in the known universe? (http://shatteredplanes.com/forum/index.php?topic=5450.msg54129#msg54129)
Awesome, time to get to work.
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I'm sorry but until I get a reason why this event is worth time and not just messing everything up I'm going to ignore it and wait for K2's return. As I stated in my last post your computer is a technology and it will have to kill itself as soon as someone points that out to it under its technological logic abilities.
In the long run this isn't a bad event idea. Its just a stupid time to launch it.
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Electrical tech is dead c:
That means there is no reason to continue this. We would be done without technology. Anyone else realize this or is it just me. Without technology and magic no one can go anywhere. They would be stuck. Thus the point of continuing this would be pointless because we have a bunch of planets with people on it who can't go anywhere. Sure we can play that out but eventually the lack of going somewhere new is going to bore people and we will lose more members.
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Electrical tech is dead c:
That means there is no reason to continue this. We would be done without technology. Anyone else realize this or is it just me. Without technology and magic no one can go anywhere. They would be stuck. Thus the point of continuing this would be pointless because we have a bunch of planets with people on it who can't go anywhere. Sure we can play that out but eventually the lack of going somewhere new is going to bore people and we will lose more members.
You simpleton. You can make tech that works off of non-electrical things too! Use your brain instead of being a lazy (op/advance spoiled) user.
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Zak: Shut up and do something to help your fleet survive. You think it benefits nothing? It actually does. You're supposed to pull through this challenge. And you're just being a lazy ass by saying 'Trolol, this event's dumb because life support is down. I'll just kill everything and quite because this is stupid c:'. I have to admit, this is the dumbest thing on the forum you did. OH NO LIFE SUPPORT IS DEAD! AAAAAAAAAAAH I quit. Try to find a way to survive you simpleton.
Don't wanna? Cry me a river and drown in it.
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Zak: Shut up and do something to help your fleet survive. You think it benefits nothing? It actually does. You're supposed to pull through this challenge. And you're just being a lazy ass by saying 'Trolol, this event's dumb because life support is down. I'll just kill everything and quite because this is stupid c:'. I have to admit, this is the dumbest thing on the forum you did. OH NO LIFE SUPPORT IS DEAD! AAAAAAAAAAAH I quit. Try to find a way to survive you simpleton.
Don't wanna? Cry me a river and drown in it.
Its not that simple if a ship is in the middle of no where. They would die from the lack of oxygen. On top of that the ship can't go anywhere. Now lets look at Luna City that has millions of people. Once technology is gone they can not leave and the Moon has no oxygen. Well tough luck to all those people I take it? What about the DAIS that are technology? Oh well? Zak has a really good reason to be upset about this.
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You cannot create a form of life support without technology or magic. There are about a hundred things preventing that. Perhaps before you go around insulting people by calling them a simpleton you should actually ask them why they think this.
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Zak: Shut up and do something to help your fleet survive. You think it benefits nothing? It actually does. You're supposed to pull through this challenge. And you're just being a lazy ass by saying 'Trolol, this event's dumb because life support is down. I'll just kill everything and quite because this is stupid c:'. I have to admit, this is the dumbest thing on the forum you did. OH NO LIFE SUPPORT IS DEAD! AAAAAAAAAAAH I quit. Try to find a way to survive you simpleton.
Don't wanna? Cry me a river and drown in it.
Its not that simple if a ship is in the middle of no where. They would die from the lack of oxygen. On top of that the ship can't go anywhere. Now lets look at Luna City that has millions of people. Once technology is gone they can not leave and the Moon has no oxygen. Well tough luck to all those people I take it? What about the DAIS that are technology? Oh well? Zak has a really good reason to be upset about this.
They won't exactly die from lack of O. Because the oxygen particles are far apart(ever notice that when you gain altitude the air goes thin?), Things happen. In space especially. Your blood would boil, any air particles inside you would expand and make you explode.
What is this nonsense about boiling blood and self explosions? It's true. In a higher altitude, try to boil water. It'll bubble up before it reaches 100 degrees Celsius.
Now Logan, He's upset, sure. Hiro is also. Lyoko himself is taking a huge loss as well but he isn't sitting on his ass and complaining. They can still do something. And you know? If they die, they die. Tough luck to them. This was bound to happen. EVERYONE should know that. Whether or not it was gradually revealing itself, EVERYONE should have foreseen this. This is what happens when you're highly advance in tech without a thought in the world that one day tech shut down.
Bitch at me all you want, but trying is the best thing to do instead of giving up. And Logan, if memory serves, I think The DAIS aren't able to function. If you read around, I think Lyoko posted that somewhere. Zak's upset, sure. Bu his complaining is just nonsense after Dylan, Nisorin, Lyoko and I have said the same general reasons over and over.
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You cannot create a form of life support without technology or magic. There are about a hundred things preventing that. Perhaps before you go around insulting people by calling them a simpleton you should actually ask them why they think this.
But you can manage to survive a little longer if you actually use your brain and do something.
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*Sighs*
Based on human statistics, one cubic meter of air has enough oxygen to last you two hours. I'd estimate that most ships have roughly thirty cubic meters of air per person (about the size of a small room). Which means there would be enough oxygen to last them almost three days. As I've pointed out, effectively everyone can manually run their engines without electricity in an emergency, assuming there's at least one guy on board that knows how their engines work (if you don't have an engineering crew onboard, it's kinda your own fault, dude).
Basically what I'm saying is, you have three days to reach the nearest planet. Probably more, in fact, since every race on the forum is "they're humans but better", so you probably don't need to breath as often. Anyone complaining that they're going to die because of this is working on the basis that it's completely impossible to come up with a creative solution for anything. That wasn't even a creative solution. "Turn on the engines and fly home" is not a creative solution.
Actually, what you should be worrying about isn't life support at all, it's space debris. Without your shields, a pair of sunglasses in orbit could probably rip through your hull. Enjoy. =3
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Both've you are wrong and right. Swift is correct in that we can make new technology. Swift is incorrect in assuming we'd be able to remake space travel, or other methods of getting from one planet or another. Barring the obvious reality that there is a REASON we use electricity to power our technology in real life and on the forum, I have two points:My first point is that it, quite frankly, would mean that each race has to start back before the information era and move from there. We have to reinvent EVERYTHING, using pretty much completely new concepts. Now, if our races stayed united, then they could feasibly reinvent everything in a relatively short time, at least compared to how it was previous to that. Which means we'd only have to wait a couple generations before we'd have the ability to get to the next planet in our solar system...Wait, no, thats a bad thing. My second point is that this has to be done ENTIRELY without inorganic computers(not that anyone would be making any at the level of technology anyways). Disregard how computers use electricity. Thats not what I mean. Alpha hacked into every devicethat in the dimension that utilizes a form of computer to run. Even those we dont think of as computers, obviously. The only thing these devices would have in common is the fact that they compute and process data. Presumably, it would not be impossible for Alpha to take nonelectronic ones. Therefor, we would have to do every technological advancement by hand, and we cannot use technology to store any form of data any longer. Unless of course Alpha's not keeping track of newly made computers, in which case he's quite frankly kind of a idiot since it'd take all but a month to replace the locked tech if everyone works together and shares knowledge(unlikely, but still). So, without the advantage of ANY form of computer, it will take far longer to develope whatever this new means of unaided space travel is. And you can say goodbye to reaching any other solar systems without a navigation system(which would rely on computational technology, of course). So, Logan is right about this event being unsustainable. If people are stuck, they wont play the game for long(after all, everyone can only RP with people on the planets they're on, if there's nobody else there who wants to RP by themself?). In addition, he is not talking about surviving, Swift. He's talking about having fun. There is a important difference in keeping a forum alive.
Logan, however, is not entirely correct either. You do bring up good points but you do fail at Alpha's motive. He doesn't hate technology, he wants to keep it out of the hands of the Empires, in order to stop them from warring. Im not bringing this up from this topic, its from the other one, but it still applies. His motivation is bringing peace by force, not a hatred of technology. Do take that into account. Also note that Swift's own points have merit and that this all should remain temporary. If it doesn't, then there isn't any arguing your points, but if it does then there is stuff to do in the meantime.
My apologies for taking your 'hi Im back' topic, Jeebus, though this hopefully shall be the end of the jacking to it. I do hope that your vacation to the Land of Cheese and Wine went well, for what its worth. :P
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Did I say anything about space travel? I thought I was talking about survival. I am aware that fun keeps a forum alive longer. But I see no fun in constant 'invasions and wars' on this site. It's one of the reasons (other than starting point issues) that I've hesitated to even post IC on this forum.
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Swift, you and him are arguing about different things, and he's not talking about wars. You said survival. HE said space travel. You're arguing with him, so Im using his points. If you wanna make points about survival, then dont pick a argument with someone talking about something else. As for the other point, that he isn't talking about wars. Well. Not true, not untrue. The point wasn't 'give us tech so we can fight each other', it was 'give us tech so we're not stuck RPing with ourselves like a bunch of gits because our entire planets are isolated and nobody else has a presence here'. RPing with yourself is only fun for so long, then it gets boring, then people leave. Therefor, its not sustainable.
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Oy,he responded to me first.
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Zak: Shut up and do something to help your fleet survive. You think it benefits nothing? It actually does. You're supposed to pull through this challenge. And you're just being a lazy ass by saying 'Trolol, this event's dumb because life support is down. I'll just kill everything and quite because this is stupid c:'. I have to admit, this is the dumbest thing on the forum you did. OH NO LIFE SUPPORT IS DEAD! AAAAAAAAAAAH I quit. Try to find a way to survive you simpleton.
Don't wanna? Cry me a river and drown in it.
Okay, Swift lets look at it this way. Given what Dylan said is true my people can survive three days and go at sublight speeds. All right, cools. However, considering the Plex Tournament lasted for MONTHS on end, I dont think they'll survive. I have every right to be angry about this dumb event because it fucks with everything we've done since our joining. ALL our computers are down, our navigation computers, our communication systems that send to seperate systems... Our empires are all cut into pieces DURING the no magic phase. That just means warlords and a whole bunch of other stuff that most people probably dont want to deal with. I am amply pissed at the staff for complaining to me about my complaining when no one offered any event ideas (Lyoko) when not once did they ask the general populace or EVEN THE OTHER STAFF about the event. Instead couldnt they, I dont know, just turn off the Anti Magic event and leave everyone to gather things up? Nooo, they had to take away both!
Its not just me who is upset by it either! At least five people out of, how many 'active' members? Have complained and said this event was stupid and of poor timing. So, for once, if the staff would listen to what their member base wants, they'd agree to take other ideas into consideration. Or at least compromise to the point that life support is on/unaffected.
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At the time Jeebus and K2 weren't here. Activity died, so they were desperate. Again as I said in another topic, there were no ideas for anything on a topic asking for ideas from the member group. They wanted to do something interesting, and the events right now would have happened sooner or later.
I know about these others being upset. And I agree staff should listen to the members. Hiro, Lyoko and I are doing something IC right now to end the tech issue ASAP so you can stop whining and continue life as normal(but without magic). So calm yourself.
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And where might be this topic where you're "fixing things?"
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For those wanting some new way to space travel/whatever...
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Zerg
Organic race that takes over entire planets. I'm not saying rip them off like no tomorrow, buuuut how about some organic living ships? All of it's bodily functions can do all o' your life support and since they're living, their spirit energy and internal magic is up for grabs for things like FTL travel and weaponry. This also creates different problems too, seeing as your ship now needs to eat or have some form of energy to keep it alive, but I'm sure people could figure that out.
That's an idea. Maybe we can breed a whole new different archetype of races by the time this is over; Instead of Magic or Technology races, we could also have these swarming omnomnoming races all over the place, like some race's organic ships become self aware and then make a whole species off that.
Maybe I'll have a few more ideas, hopefully to fit other races that don't want to delve into the whole 'making life = right reserved only by god' theology.
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*points to Hiro's Lorcar* Psychic omnom race right there.
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There needs to be moar!
Like, enough to the point where going for this type of race archetype is a legitimate choice! 8D
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*Sighs*
Based on human statistics, one cubic meter of air has enough oxygen to last you two hours. I'd estimate that most ships have roughly thirty cubic meters of air per person (about the size of a small room). Which means there would be enough oxygen to last them almost three days. As I've pointed out, effectively everyone can manually run their engines without electricity in an emergency, assuming there's at least one guy on board that knows how their engines work (if you don't have an engineering crew onboard, it's kinda your own fault, dude).
Basically what I'm saying is, you have three days to reach the nearest planet. Probably more, in fact, since every race on the forum is "they're humans but better", so you probably don't need to breath as often. Anyone complaining that they're going to die because of this is working on the basis that it's completely impossible to come up with a creative solution for anything. That wasn't even a creative solution. "Turn on the engines and fly home" is not a creative solution.
Actually, what you should be worrying about isn't life support at all, it's space debris. Without your shields, a pair of sunglasses in orbit could probably rip through your hull. Enjoy. =3
On a normal ship. But Luna City would still be screwed. They use a shield to artificially make an atmosphere and without the shield no gravity, and air, because space will vent it. This is all because I have to have them on the moon because the dumb mother nature plot.
Another thing. A ship wouldn't be able to move without the engines. They'll die slower than the others but they are going to die. This is a bad plot idea. Hikaru is only supporting it because she has no connection to technology. Same with you to be honest Yuki. You have no understanding how much technology goes into our races to keep them functioning.
So, Logan is right about this event being unsustainable. If people are stuck, they wont play the game for long(after all, everyone can only RP with people on the planets they're on, if there's nobody else there who wants to RP by themselves?). In addition, he is not talking about surviving, Swift. He's talking about having fun. There is a important difference in keeping a forum alive.
Perhaps you should force the staff to quit withholding plot information. Because I have it from two different members that K2's event is going to wipe out the technological existence plane. Which who in there right mind made technology part of existence. Technology is a tool. You don't see your fork being part of existence.
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Logan you're neglecting the fact that you CAN do something about this stuff IC.
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And where might be this topic where you're "fixing things?"
Verp Verp WUBWUBWUB Kick Kick Kicksmack Snare c:
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Logan you're neglecting the fact that you CAN do something about this stuff IC.
Oh yeah I can do alot of things. But if I did it would be called metagaming. So to be honest I can't really do anything that protects me from what hasn't happened.
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Logan you're neglecting the fact that you CAN do something about this stuff IC.
Oh yeah I can do alot of things. But if I did it would be called metagaming. So to be honest I can't really do anything that protects me from what hasn't happened.
Are you really thinking of the easiest routes instead of challenging yourself?
Also, a lot is two words. -_-;
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Logan you're neglecting the fact that you CAN do something about this stuff IC.
Oh yeah I can do alot of things. But if I did it would be called metagaming. So to be honest I can't really do anything that protects me from what hasn't happened.
Are you really thinking of the easiest routes instead of challenging yourself?
Also, a lot is two words. -_-;
Here comes the rant... Yeah I could totally create a device that disables all ais in the universe. Perhaps an anti-anti-technology field. Or something like that. I mean who the fuck in there right mind makes technology an thing of existence? I mean what next, forks are going to have a place in existence? I mean come the fuck on. Technology is a tool. Not a thing of existence. Thus I shall take Hikaru's stand point and call BS on this whole Alpha and technological existence bs. Magic has a right to being a member of existence, but technology is something we create, thus it cannot be a member of our existence plane.
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You know... am I one of the only people who are just posting, and actually just dealing with this event rather than bitching. Yeah, I had a talk with Lyoko privately when I first read about it. But just wanting more details. However, its an event, what is, is. Post, stop trying to solve an IC problem with meta arguments. Eletrical tech is duded for now, boohoo.
Hell, I invaded... myself.