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Title: OOC: Encounter
Post by: K2 on April 08, 2010, 09:30:38 PM
Why would Order be on Magimeta at the exact time that the bottle went through?
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Zero on April 08, 2010, 09:37:15 PM
1. Read the topic that was below it.
2. He was getting a group ready to be his successors.
3. The world is unable to be attacked.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: @Pokemon Master Red on April 08, 2010, 09:43:44 PM
Further, ITS A BLACK HOLE. YOU CANNOT, CANNOT TRAP IT IN ANYTHING, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT IS PURE GRAVITY. There IS no matter in a Black Hole! -__-+
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Queen Bright on April 08, 2010, 09:46:52 PM
Further, ITS A BLACK HOLE. YOU CANNOT, CANNOT TRAP IT IN ANYTHING, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT IS PURE GRAVITY. There IS no matter in a Black Hole! -__-+
It's magic!
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Orph on April 08, 2010, 10:04:13 PM
Actually a black hole is powered by a core of super-dense matter, if you make that matter smaller you can fit it in anything, if that thing can hold up the stress of the black hole anyway.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Queen Bright on April 08, 2010, 10:07:52 PM
Actually a black hole is powered by a core of super-dense matter, if you make that matter smaller you can fit it in anything, if that thing can hold up the stress of the black hole anyway.

Correction, a singularity of infinite density. It's not a core, and it's not super dense. It's infinite, thus singularity.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: @Pokemon Master Red on April 08, 2010, 10:11:59 PM
...Which is why its impossible to contain. I'll admit that magic could be used for gravity-based attacks, up to and including the creation or destruction of a Black Hole. Containment, and thus transfer? Not possible.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Orph on April 08, 2010, 10:13:06 PM
We've done it a hell of a lot of times, gravity is easily manipulated, could just curve it around itself so the core is pulling itself.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Queen Bright on April 08, 2010, 10:13:50 PM
We've done it a hell of a lot of times, gravity is easily manipulated, could just curve it around itself so the core is pulling itself.

SINGULARITY, not core. Beneath the Event Horizon is the singularity. There is no core.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Orph on April 08, 2010, 10:14:59 PM
The core is the god damned singularity. Two different words for the same thing, the singularity is at the heart of the black hole and therefore is it's core.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: K2 on April 08, 2010, 10:16:12 PM
Technically, I turned the black hole into a bottle.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: @Pokemon Master Red on April 08, 2010, 10:19:00 PM
A Black Hole, in and of itself, has no matter. You cant turn it into anything, since its pure gravity.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Orph on April 08, 2010, 10:20:30 PM
Wrong, the core of the black hole is super-dense matter, also shut the fuck Hik, infinite is harder to type then super.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Queen Bright on April 08, 2010, 10:22:00 PM
Technically he's right. A Black Hole is just a dead star that collapsed and gained infinite density, and now draws everything within it's acceleration disk into it, with no escape. Even light. Then if you make it past the trip through the outer part, without getting crushed to death, you hit the event horizon right above the singularity......How the hell can you turn a hole into something? You try to fill it up, it'll crush it.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Orph on April 08, 2010, 10:23:24 PM
Since it's not a hole, but basically a smallllllllll speck of matter that is super dense and is more then it appears, therefore shapapapale.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Queen Bright on April 08, 2010, 10:27:56 PM
Since it's not a hole, but basically a smallllllllll speck of matter that is super dense and is more then it appears, therefore shapapapale.

But by then speck has lost its form and collapsed in on its self. There's nothing there anymore.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Nisorin on April 08, 2010, 10:29:04 PM
Kivith is correct in this. Black holes actually have an amount of matter at their center, albeit an amount that is constantly increasing at an exponential rate. A particularly powerful mage with extensive knowledge regarding black holes could, theoretically, cause the black hole to 'eat' upon itself, so that the increase in mass is temporarily stopped, allowing for relatively safe transport.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Queen Bright on April 08, 2010, 10:30:03 PM
Kivith is correct in this. Black holes actually have an amount of matter at their center, albeit an amount that is constantly increasing at an exponential rate. A particularly powerful mage with extensive knowledge regarding black holes could, theoretically, cause the black hole to 'eat' upon itself, so that the increase in mass is temporarily stopped, allowing for relatively safe transport.

That's not what the books say...
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Orph on April 08, 2010, 10:31:02 PM
Books = Wrong.

Since you cannot destroy matter, only change it's form, therefore it would break a shit load of the laws of the universe.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: @Pokemon Master Red on April 08, 2010, 10:32:43 PM
A Black Hole is just that-a hole. When the star collapses in on itself, the matter's no longer there, its actually pushed through. After that, it comes out a White Hole, the exact opposite-litterally, the other end of a Black Hole. Black holes are only black since there's no light coming from them, and a white hole is only white since all of the light and matter is coming from it.
That was the gist of it anyways, I think.
This was Einstien's theory, at the very least. I think I read it as this anyways.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Orph on April 08, 2010, 10:34:22 PM
That's a wormhole with gravity..

Black holes are not wormholes, they are just super dense matter, fucking stupid physicists with their degrees and their stupidity.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Queen Bright on April 08, 2010, 10:36:48 PM
Books = Wrong.

Since you cannot destroy matter, only change it's form, therefore it would break a shit load of the laws of the universe.

So you're calling every book in the library wrong? Steven Hawking, Quantum, and all the other books?
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: @Pokemon Master Red on April 08, 2010, 10:38:22 PM
Kivith...In truth, thats the best description of a Black Hole there is. A wormhole with gravity.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Nisorin on April 09, 2010, 12:15:44 AM
Not really Red, as black holes don't always have white holes at the other end. I don't think we've actually discovered any real white holes yet.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Orga the Strange on April 09, 2010, 12:22:23 AM
Manly because no ones dumb enough to fly a ship INTO A BLACKHOLE.
However I'm certain that blackholes are the secret to time travel.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: @Pokemon Master Red on April 09, 2010, 04:22:07 PM
^As said by Orga.
And again, Nisorin, everything about Black Holes, including THEIR existence, is theoretical. The only reason we think they exist is because of patches of pure black in Space, where we think there should be stars behind. We dont have any solid evidence of their natural existence, and as such, they might not at all. Could just be that from a straight line to where these black holes are, there merely aren't any stars providing light that reaches us. We dont know yet.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Orph on April 09, 2010, 04:24:33 PM
And the theory for black holes that we use is that they are super-dense blobs of matter meaning they possess a large gravitational field, hell my main empire's base is powered by a FUCKING quasar, which is basically a BIG black hole.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: @Pokemon Master Red on April 09, 2010, 04:28:37 PM
Thats ONE theory...
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Orph on April 09, 2010, 06:16:35 PM
And it's the one we use for the site.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: @Pokemon Master Red on April 09, 2010, 06:42:16 PM
Aaaand when has this been decided?
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Orph on April 09, 2010, 06:49:45 PM
Since we've always used that type o hole.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Gaserlake on April 20, 2010, 11:53:45 PM
A black hole is actually a hole in the fabric of spacetime. The black hole is made of matter. That's why it's there in the first place. It's infinitely dense. Hik is correct. A black hole is a singularity. Light unifies space and time. Since light cannot escape a black hole, there is no unification, thus it creates a hole.

A black hole into a bottle? That's one hell of a dense bottle. If all that matter is in that bottle, it would collapse on itself and become a black hole again.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: Nisorin on April 21, 2010, 08:38:07 PM
That's assuming the bottle didn't have something else, such as a seal or other similar magic, that holds it in its current form.
Title: Re: OOC: Encounter
Post by: UnStellar on June 24, 2010, 02:42:58 PM
Dear God people.