Shattered Planes Archives (Seasons 4 & 5)
The Hub => Accepted Requests => Accepted Tech => Topic started by: Queen Bright on April 13, 2010, 08:55:56 AM
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Ships will come later, as I'm really going to have to do research for those. For now....
Torsion Field Vortex Generator -
I guess this would be what the ship runs? I honestly don't know the names, just the workings. This is largely based in Torsion Field physics. You're going to either have to research yourself (have fun.) Or trust me. I know enough to use them, but not all the math crap. I'll provide the basics under this. The Generator however, uses Torsion Field's to create two vortexes back to back, giving a self sustained energy source, providing free energy from the vacuum of space its self.
Torsion Fields -
Coming in 3 different field types of E, S, G (Electric, Spin, and Gravity.) Torsion Fields are separate and distinct from classical Electric, Magnetic, and Gravity fields. Generators for these fields can be shielded against electromagnetic fields and the torsion field still manifest itself through such shielding. Torsion field emanations can travel at velocities at least as high as 109C (one billion times the speed of light.) Torsion fields can interact with laser beams (change frequency); affect biological processes; are generated by melting or solidifying some materials; affect quartz crystals; affect some electronic components; can favorably change some beverages; and have been noted to affect gravity as a type of anti-gravity. Other than Generators, Torsion Fields, are the quantum spin of empty space; the large-scale coherent effects of the spin of the particles in the virtual sea. (THIS IS NOT A REQUEST, GO RESEARCH IT THEY EXIST. IT'S JUST GIVING YOU THE INFO SO I DON'T GET CALLED OUT ON GODMODDING.)
Torsion Field Generator -
Unlike the Torsion Field Vortex Generator, this one creates artificial Torsion Waves, instead of from the Vacuum. By melting and solidifying materials (junk.) Used to power weapons,(coming later,) by using the E type Torsion Field. Different materials generating different fields.
Torsion fields have also been experimented with to manipulate space/time. Theory being that you could time travel and allow faster than light travel... But you probably won't let me go that far. Right?
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FTL Transportation is fine.
Approved.
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FTL transportation is actually pretty much required, to be honest. Without it, you're not going to be able to get places very quickly. But, time travel denied.
Vortex generator approved, though I'd think it may be a dangerous power source. Field generator approved as well.
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Sorry to burst yer bubble, Hik. First paragraph from Wikipedia:
Torsion field, also called axion field, spin field, spinor field, and microlepton field is a pseudoscientific[1] concept loosely based on Einstein-Cartan theory and some variant solutions of Maxwell's equations.[2] The torsion field concept was conceived in the Soviet Union by a group of physicists in the 1980s. The group, led by Anatoly Akimov and Gennady Shipov,[3] began the research as the state-sponsored Center for Nontraditional Technologies, but was disbanded in 1991 when their research was exposed as a fraud and an embezzlement of State funding,[2] only to emerge again as a private enterprise; The International Institute for Theoretical and Applied Physics and later called UVITOR.[4].
Wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsion_field
Here's another source as to it being fake: http://www.khurak.net/torsion-field-physics-004457/
And a third outright stating its untrue: http://www.skeptik.net/mirror/professor/tffraud.htm
Plus...It can 'favorably change some beverages'. Hm. Didn't know the forces of physics were hard at work improving soft drinks.
Not doing this to insult you or anything, just saying that I looked it up, and this is what I found.
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There's more than one theory on it. I used a lot more sources than just Wiki and those two.
And it exists as a possible theory. Hell, everything in tech requests is possible theory. None of it "actually," exists.
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Im still looking around. Those are just the ones I found...Perhaps you'd care to share yours?
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Im still looking around. Those are just the ones I found...Perhaps you'd care to share yours?
Read the edit.
Also, I didn't save the links. But if I have to, I'll refind the crap.
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All Im saying is, from what I've found, it isn't a accepted theory; sure, all of the tech stuff exists as possible theories. But unless they are proven or at the least widely accepted by the scientific community, they'd still need to be applied for. And as it stands, I've found a few sites saying they are psudeo-science.
The concept itself would be outdated, anyways; the latest I've seen about these are still only from 2001. You'd think they'd do a bit of research into it if it were credible...
Also, a lot of the sites Im getting say the researchers themselves are known(by now, at least) embezzlers, so...All Im asking is to have your sources, so that I may have something substantial to compare mine to.
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All Im saying is, from what I've found, it isn't a accepted theory; sure, all of the tech stuff exists as possible theories. But unless they are proven or at the least widely accepted by the scientific community, they'd still need to be applied for. And as it stands, I've found a few sites saying they are psudeo-science.
The concept itself would be outdated, anyways; the latest I've seen about these are still only from 2001. You'd think they'd do a bit of research into it if it were credible...
Also, a lot of the sites Im getting say the researchers themselves are known(by now, at least) embezzlers, so...All Im asking is to have your sources, so that I may have something substantial to compare mine to.
For what? Get it unapproved? I first saw it on a documentary yesterday on 2012 (Lame, I know.) To prove their crap about what happens in 2012, they mentioned Torsion Fields, and Torsion Field Physics. Looked it up, and found all of that in my first post, and then some. Tried to figure how I could use it on SP.
In the documentary they did say that it's not proven to skeptics, but that their Torsion Field detectors have picked up such things. The documentary was on Scifi, can't remember the name, sorry.
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Not at all to get it unapproved, but if it doesn't exist, it will still have to be approved by the admins here. Im merely saying that it should be confirmed(and thus have the sites backing it presented) on-site before you claim that you know it is true, else you'll spark a little bit of skepticism as to its validity, especially if its a obscure subject.
I'll give it some more research, dont worry. Im merely saying that the things I've seen so far aren't promising.
But really, having favorable changes on some beverages? ...That...Uhh...Doesn't sound like something scientific...
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Not at all to get it unapproved, but if it doesn't exist, it will still have to be approved by the admins here. Im merely saying that it should be confirmed(and thus have the sites backing it presented) on-site before you claim that you know it is true, else you'll spark a little bit of skepticism as to its validity, especially if its a obscure subject.
I'll give it some more research, dont worry. Im merely saying that the things I've seen so far aren't promising.
But really, having favorable changes on some beverages? ...That...Uhh...Doesn't sound like something scientific...
That part was on a site. How it fits into it, I dunno. I was just quoting almost everything I found.
But here's some.
http://www.twm.co.nz/Torsion_Fox.htm
http://www.goertzel.org/dynapsyc/1996/subtle.html
http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/tors/
http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Articles/1-2/benford.html
http://www.raven1.net/russtran.htm
Enjoy. Hope you can read fast.
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Alright, this'll take a while(Im on the DSI), but as for that last one, I can already tell you that it *probably* isn't credible. I've only skimmed and scanned, but from what I can tell, that persons doing translations of russian books. Russia, however, has already proclaimed their disbelief in the theory, so these books likely come from the embezzlers who proposed the theory, which is known BECAUSE of the fact that it was discreditted to be psudeo-science. Again, only probably, and I'll still give it a look. Buuuut if the literature being translated was from those embezzlers, well, then the source isn't a good one.
...Alright, Hik, I thought you were saying these were different theories? These all list the same original proponents...Akimov and Shin-whatever-the-rest-of-his-name-is-which-I-cant-remember, the same two embezzlers who were discreditted by the Russian science community for their scheme...They weren't scientists. Its all fake, as accoarding to our current understanding of science...I ain't saying dont use it, but you've gotta apply for it first...
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...Alright, Hik, I thought you were saying these were different theories? These all list the same original proponents...Akimov and Shin-whatever-the-rest-of-his-name-is-which-I-cant-remember, the same two embezzlers who were discreditted by the Russian science community for their scheme...They weren't scientists. Its all fake, as accoarding to our current understanding of science...I ain't saying dont use it, but you've gotta apply for it first...
Did you even read on in the wiki article? It's fake to certain people. Even the US is starting to face the truth of it. It's a theory, just as all the qunatum is. No one proves string theory, we still use it on SP. No one has proved Quantum Mechanics, we're using it. MOST ALL OF THE DAMN STUFF IS THEORY.
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Regardless of this, I am still approving the technology. Whether it's actually 'real' is irrelevant, as this is SP, not the real world, and thus there is a good deal of leeway as far as whether a theory is proven or not.
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The wiki article also says about one of the contridictions in the theory itself-It states that no matter nor energy is used, yet it also apparently uses nuetrinos-which have both mass and energy.
True, but string theory and quatnem mechanics are more commonly accepted to be true. This, however...Isn't, as far as I know. I am merely calling it a theory because of the fact that I am unsure...I am using these sources to allow you to know that it isn't very widely accepted. However, a theory needs actual research and tested hypotheses...From many sources I've read, this is lacking in tests, meaning it may be a hypothesis, or even a complete fabrication used to trick governments as a few sources claim.
Truth is a strong word for something that has yet to be widely accepted, Hik...
Quite frankly, the I dont care what the US thinks. The current leader thinks that getting rid of the nukes we have stockpiled will encourage other nations to do the same. Yeeeeaaaahhh...Uhhhh...Im gonna buy me a bunker for in the event another nation realizes we've just started smashing our own defenses...
Its not so much a matter of 'its not real, so dont use it' as a matter of 'its a highly controversial topic, so I'd rather it be approved itself before usage'. I actually would like to see what Hik comes up with this. Because of the fact that a lot of people do not believe in the validity of it, I would also merely like to see it approved in the same way as any other Tech would.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1BZ2SHk_9M
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There's more, but I have to find the part.
Edit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVlIKgbsDDM
3:17
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I really hate the disabilities of the DSi...
Im not even going to try watching the video, because I know it wont work on this thing, the closest thing to a video that works on this is a .GIF, so...Yeah. I cant use the computer right now, either. Parental controls that log you off at certain times and dont let you log in until another time. -__-
Text would be best, if thats acceptable.
Also...Im not sure how this got into a full blawn discussion. o.o My fault, most likely; I get carried away on discussions, eh heh. All I was trying to point out was that it wasn't widely accepted, so it should just get the standard two approvals in itself before use, since the way you posted at first made it sound like it was a physical law rather than possible theory.
If it were my intentions to have a discussion about it, I'd probably be for, myself...After all, if this is real, thats awesome. FTL Internet and Mars Rover driving FTW!
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I really hate the disabilities of the DSi...
Im not even going to try watching the video, because I know it wont work on this thing, the closest thing to a video that works on this is a .GIF, so...Yeah. I cant use the computer right now, either. Parental controls that log you off at certain times and dont let you log in until another time. -__-
Text would be best, if thats acceptable.
Also...Im not sure how this got into a full blawn discussion. o.o My fault, most likely; I get carried away on discussions, eh heh. All I was trying to point out was that it wasn't widely accepted, so it should just get the standard two approvals in itself before use, since the way you posted at first made it sound like it was a physical law rather than possible theory.
If it were my intentions to have a discussion about it, I'd probably be for, myself...After all, if this is real, thats awesome. FTL Internet and Mars Rover driving FTW!
I can't type what it says, would take forever. However, it did get two approvals.
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That was the tech itself; Nisorin has expressed interest in approving the theory, but considering you had made it sound like a pure fact, it would still need one more. K2 hasn't been back yet.
Well, if thats the case, then I have no method of viewing the Youtube Video 'till tomarrow. Whats about it thats impossible to type?
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That was the tech itself; Nisorin has expressed interest in approving the theory, but considering you had made it sound like a pure fact, it would still need one more. K2 hasn't been back yet.
Well, if thats the case, then I have no method of viewing the Youtube Video 'till tomarrow. Whats about it thats impossible to type?
Laziness? Usually I wouldn't mind doing something to prove it. But typing half a video? Oh come on.
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Eh. ...Wait, you scoured the web just to prove a point, yet you wont even get the highlights of the video?
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Approved, technology does not have to be an accepted theory to be proposed, only a theory that makes enough sense that it can be used.
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Element Extractor:A weapon to extract periodic elements. So whichever element you set it to extract, it will extract it. An example Nisorin did to better understand it, when I was telling him was, Table Salt. Set it to Sodium, and it will extract the Sodium while leaving the rest together (Or if it was unstable, the Salt would then fall apart, depending on your chemistry.) This is both hand-held and Ship use. Hand-held can only be set to extract one element. Ship use can extract more. There are 3 ways it will extract. 1. By absorber beam. 2. Nanomachine filled missiles. 3. Vortex (Basically like a large vacuum that sucks the elements to it.
Element Splitter: Like the Element Extractor, it does pretty much the same thing and can be both ship or hand-held. Except the ES splits the elements off, or apart from each other instead of extracting them for later use. This one works in 2 ways. 2. Beams, 3. Field Emitter (Whatever is in the radius of the field will be stripped by the designated elements.)
Element Scanner: Sends out a ray or beacon to scan something of its elements and give a reading of what elements it's made of.
Element Manipulator: Sends out elements through beam, missile, or emitter. Can be set to more than one.
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Does the manipulator bond the elements to the target?
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Does the manipulator bond the elements to the target?
Yeah! That's the word I was looking for. Dammit..can't believe I forgot it.
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Approvified!
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The splitter is similar to something I had on CE: http://cosmicempires.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=1336
Which probably explains why I like it. XD
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The splitter is similar to something I had on CE: http://cosmicempires.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=1336
Which probably explains why I like it. XD
It says I can't see the topic, but I didn't copy.
I got the idea from a favorite anime I watched. Not Rip, derived.
Chemistry Anime. In it, Periodic Elements are taken from Earth to Nega Earth through Element dematerialization for some strange unknown reason. The kids go to Nega Earth and have to fight QEX. Creatures that are made up of elements but reacted with a Posi-element and turned into monsters. They have to extract the element and take it back to earth. Sometimes they have to use element slides and cause a reaction with the element they're fighting, and such.
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How long does it take to extract and such?
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I would say instantly, as that was my original idea.
But if not, how long should it take?
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A small charging time, then fire. Since the moment it hits it can basically render a super-strong alloy into nothing more then common iron.
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Fine. 2-3 posts for the ship ones?
Hand-held shouldn't get a time limit though, as those can only do one element at a time.
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Approved.
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This is going to be slightly confusing for some, and slightly long through theories. But don't knock it till you read it. And don't just NO it right away. As Orph has Time Devices as well. And it's NOT Time Travel. It's Timeline Manipulating. Alright so...
Temporal Parallelization Field: Going with the theory of time (see below.) This device will radiate a field of timeline parallelization and turn the time back in only the field and the objects within the field to the point given. This field is not very large and can only go about as big as the around a planet/star or two. Now...how this actually works?
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Theory of Time and Infinite Timelines:
Taking the most popular theory of time. There are infinite timelines and possibilities. Every event or action in the world, has infinite results and thus routes.
Example 1:
You come to a fork in the road. You can either take; Result A:Right, Result B:Left, Result C:Go Back, Result D:Just Stand There, Result E and many many other possible actions. Let's say we went with Result B, and went left. This means in our timeline we went Left, and and what happened after happened. BUT, this action stemmed off many other timelines where someone went Right, or went back, or just stood there, or something else all together.
This would create multiple timelines where each choice stemmed off it's own new timeline and route. And then later in other choices by people stemmed their own. Give infinite timelines and almost creating a parallel web of timelines.
Example 2:
You're about to kill someone. A: Kill them. B: Don't kill them C: Many other choices. Say you don't kill them, another timeline you did kill them. Other timelines something else happened. And the life went on in each of them.
Now say you somehow went back and stopped something. Something else would take its place and give the same effect. Because in this timeline, it happened, and thus HAS to happen. UNLESS, you already replaced it with something happening.
So how does this tech work with that? It doesn't actually turn back the time, but replaces the area with the same area from another timeline.
So let's say you destroy a table. Or whatever. If you set the field to the area of the table destroyed, you could replace it with the table from the other timeline where it wasn't destroyed. Or even another one where something else could have happened. Whatever is in that area and field of effect. This would switch them out. The destroyed table would go to to the non destroyed timeline, and the non destroyed would come here. Restoring the table.
If that doesn't make sense.
We have two strings. String A named:Destroyed. String B named:Survived.
We field the table and cut its time away from string A Destroyed, and cut String B Survived, off their strings. We switch them, and somehow put them back together.
Now say it was a planet? If you have people, on A:Destroyed, that were destroyed and some survived. And people on B:Survived. There's two options. You have the field only designate the planet. Or have it include sentience as well. IF you have it include sentience. The people of Destroyed would also go to Survive and vice versa.
BUT since you switched out the worlds, they would not realize this. As their world is still destroyed, and the Survived is now survived. They would go on thinking they're still in the same Timeline from when it was created (When the world was destroyed.) So if some went to say hell, they would get switched to the newly created timelines hell. Nothing noticed, nothing lost. Same people. Same memories.
And so this doesn't nullify Orph's tech, since he brought time stream into it. I guess the stream is where all the timelines would be located. So by him going out of the time stream, he'd get out of the web as well.
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Time manipulation seems godmodding to me. If you lose a major battle, you could just switch it so that you have won the battle. You can switch different timelines where the survived planets are replaced with planets that became destroyed. You can even switch the timeline so that this tech would never be known IC.
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Except, I wasn't going to use it offensively. Or even in battle.
And even if I did. I told you, the field cannot be that big.
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YOU wouldn't, but others might. It would have a great potential on how it is used. It can switch it with a more advanced tech, where fields can be bigger.
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YOU wouldn't, but others might. It would have a great potential on how it is used. It can switch it with a more advanced tech, where fields can be bigger.
Last I checked, when you make a tech it's for your empire alone unless they somehow steal it? I was putting background into this. Like that before they went all tree hugger, Pax loved to study time, and Syra the same and crap. It wasn't just gonna be. "Time manipulation out of nowhere!"
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My technology is time AVOIDANCE, not Time manipulation.
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My technology is time AVOIDANCE, not Time manipulation.
Did I say it was? I just said it was time devices.
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But there is a difference, mine passively interferes with time, in a way that isn't detrimental or dangerous to others, yours is.
Not to fucking mention mine would need less energy then yours, and mine runs on three suns! Yours would be far out of your empire's achievable power.
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It's not dangerous to others. Because it's not going to be fucking used offensively.
And for the energy thing. We both figured out ways for infinite energy. No issue there. And if it still is, I'll request something else to draw it.
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No, your generator provides and infinite stream of finite energy, it doesn't give infinite energy all at once, therefore the power cost is more then the generator can handle with it's power output.
And many a technology has not been approved because it has potential for being used offensively, look at the barrier I tried getting approved, it wasn't because it had the Potential to be used offensively.
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No, your generator provides and infinite stream of finite energy, it doesn't give infinite energy all at once, therefore the power cost is more then the generator can handle with it's power output.
And many a technology has not been approved because it has potential for being used offensively, look at the barrier I tried getting approved, it wasn't because it had the Potential to be used offensively.
Your SM had what ifs about the space junk. Yet they took your word you weren't going to use it like that. But anyways. I'll argue you after I get done with Gaser.
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I approve the TPF.
[16:04:50] Gaserlake: Ok, then. If you posted the TPF, if someone posted after your post, it would still take place during the time it is charging.
[16:05:09] Gaserlake: If it has been a day after your post, and no reply, then that means the TPF is used.
[16:05:11] nekohikaruchan: Kay. 3-5 posts?
[16:05:19] Gaserlake: hmm...
[16:05:58] Gaserlake: Depending on the size of the field used, 3-10 posts. It may be 10 posts, but you can still be defending yourself, while you are charging to bring back a planet.
[16:06:10] nekohikaruchan: Kay.
[16:06:31] Gaserlake: I mean, if nobody posted after you for a day OOC, then the TPF already happened.
[16:06:40] nekohikaruchan: Alright.
[16:06:46] nekohikaruchan: Now will you post it?
[16:06:55] Gaserlake: Yes. ANd I'll copy this, is that ok?
[16:07:03] nekohikaruchan: All of it?
[16:07:13] nekohikaruchan: Or just the charges? Because I don't want the topic stretched.
[16:07:14] Gaserlake: No. Just the approval part, and teh conditions of approval.
[16:07:22] nekohikaruchan: Kay.
Actually, about the 1 day thing, it depends. It is situational. There are so many situations out there, but if it involves others, it's 3 days.
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TPF Approved.
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[20:41] Iamawhale2323: And the reason we're all so skeptical about bringing back a planet is because it takes like 50 posts to destroy one, would require huge power restrictions, etc. Maybe if it were possistioned through many artificial satelites around a planet/star, that would make sense; Battle would be plausible because the goal of the opposing army would be to destroy the sattelites, the goal of the defending army would be to defend the sattelites.
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So if it's split between about 3-5 ships. Then is it approved?
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..I'll approve..
As long as it takes time to charge up.
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Approved!
Charge Time during Peaceful Situations: 10 posts.
Charge Time during War: 15 posts.
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Since I haven't used the empire at all, or tech, or even character that made it. (Lost interest,) I'm transferring the tech to another empire when I make it. Which I have the name of, but will stay unnamed for now, to the public. As for the character that made this empire, I still plan to use her, just not as an empire leader.
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Shut up about the names, unless you have a better name.
DNA Shifter Device
Using what's known as the “DNA Phantom Effect†the transference of DNA data through torsion waves, this device is able to “jump DNA," from one organic thing to another. (Or In-organic, if it has DNA.) In other words, sort of like a shape-shifting device that can be used for offense, on yourself, or against others.
EX. Turn someone into a fluffy bunny, they can't turn back without their own device using DNA, or the device you have, since, it's NOT magic shape-shifting.
Comes in two forms, beam, or wave. Must have a sample of DNA you're going to use. So if you're going to turn them into a duck, must put in a feather.
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Approved.
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Approved. May I recommend a name?
DNA-based Form Alteration Device, D-FAD for short.
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Did we ever revoke the approval of that time majigger?
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No idea.
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No. You didn't. You finally agreed to approve it after conditions. So you better not do some fucked up thing and take it back.
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Eventually going to use.
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Approving to clear up the confusion about if it is or isn't approved due to unknown possible recalls of approval.
Even Im confused by that sentence. @_@