Author Topic: Magisters (Read 906 times)

K2 · « **on:** March 20, 2012, 09:50:49 PM »

SOMEHOW got deleted, so here's the original post of the topic.

The Magisters
Magisters are both a member of an an ancient order of magic users, along with a whole new race on their own. Magic may not be the perfect term for them, as Sages, and most other magic users perform an entirely different form of magic then they do. But I'll get to that in a minute, Magisters are humanoid in form, very human-like indeed. There are however a few blatant differences in appearance and personality that mark a Magister from a Sage, or a normal human being. Whereas a Sage has a soul, the organ that allows for magic production and usage, a Magister relies on their own internal organ. Although it works in a very different fashion, their own version of the soul is commonly referred to as their "core." Their cores are very small, and are located just underneath cerebellum. This core is an organic wonder, depending on the strength of the Magister involved the core can absorb and re-purpose energy from nearly any source in the known multiverse. Meaning a Magister rarely "burns out" or runs out of magical energy, as they are only limited by their knowledge of reality in general. That is a more internal view of the Magister race, however their outward appearance requires some explanation as well. They are very diverse in skin color, and by very diverse I mean a Magister can control their physical appearance from the age of thirteen, and it's a cultural practice for a Magister to discard their natural form, and create one that reflects their personality. You will never find a Magister who looks normal, some may have horns, some may have scales. Others will have fur or wings. Magister culture has but one principle they will never defy, that fact that knowledge is power. And power is always a resource that is in demand, they are renown scholars and research in every major field of the intellectual arts.

Magister magic
The magic used by Magisters is not what others in the world would call magic, it isn't the converted essence of existence into a force, it is the will of the user and the energy gathered by their core's. Spells can still be incredibly complex, and sometimes are more complex then Sage Magic, as Magisters involve the realm of science in their magic. Using the natural forces of the multiverse along with the powers of their magic. As it is not Sage magic, the Magisters are immune to AM technology. As it's a different thing entirely.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #1 on:** March 20, 2012, 10:33:15 PM »

6:59:13 PM me
It's not accepted yet
6:59:22 PM Wolfmank2323
Vote said it was
6:59:33 PM me
I want to know how the fuck they got in Hiro's account then cause' otherwise I'm calling BS he's lying
6:59:56 PM Wolfmank2323
Why would he do that?
6:59:58 PM me
I dunno
7:00:03 PM me
How the fuck would they have his account?
7:00:30 PM Wolfmank2323
Well whatever the fuck went down, Hiro has said he approves of the Magisters, as have I and Jeebus.
7:00:33 PM Wolfmank2323
That's a majority.
7:00:47 PM me
Doesn't change the fact it still breaks teh system and still needs to be debated as to how the fuck it works
7:01:01 PM Wolfmank2323
You're the only one who says that
7:01:04 PM me
It doesn't work.
7:01:10 PM Wolfmank2323
Why?
7:01:36 PM me
It can't cast spells without capability how many fucking times do I have to go over that? Magic was explained as to how it worked with the existence thing so it WOULD work and WOULD have capability
7:01:43 PM me
Now we go back to square one and let an unknown in?
7:01:44 PM me
WTF?
7:02:13 PM Wolfmank2323
You're saying that two things that aren't capable of spell casting can't form one thing that is.
7:03:03 PM me
Yeah they can't. If it's chemicals as you say it is, what chemicals? Because it doesn't matter what chemicals you mix you're not gonna get physics breaking spell casting magic or akin to magic POWERS out of it. Otherwise I'd fucking have magic in real life by now.
7:03:37 PM me
Because believe me I've been trying to delve into Wicca/Shamanism/Druidism and any type real
7:04:02 PM Wolfmank2323
Prove that two things can't merge and have completely different properties.
7:04:12 PM me
Properties is different then teh capability to say fuck reality
7:04:49 PM me
Or are you going to belittle spellcraft?
7:05:43 PM Wolfmank2323
One type of energy can't manipulate reality in a complex manner. Neither can another. But when the two both combine and go through a biological process to form a new type of energy, there's no reason this new type of energy can't do things that the other two couldn't.
7:05:49 PM me
What types of energy?
7:05:56 PM me
He's saying he takes one he's not saying he combines it when another
7:06:00 PM me
And don't tell me what YOU think it is
7:06:05 PM me
I want it from Orph himself
7:06:10 PM me
It's his goddamn request let him decide it
7:06:23 PM Wolfmank2323
He said that he gathers energies and in the core it converts into Magister Energy
7:06:31 PM me
He says he gathers an energy at a time
7:06:33 PM me
Not energies
7:06:40 PM me
That does not give it capability of spellcraft
7:06:45 PM me
I want to hear the answers from Orph
7:06:46 PM me
Not you
7:06:48 PM me
You didn't request
7:07:07 PM Wolfmank2323
Well you and Lyoko222 are the only ones who want more answers
7:07:13 PM Wolfmank2323
That was the point of the vote
7:07:25 PM me
A vote you started when we weren't done debating. A vote you didn't even ask anyone before starting
7:07:34 PM Wolfmank2323
I asked Jeebus
7:07:53 PM me
You don't start a vote unless it's been reached to the point that all cards have been laid out on the table and there's nothing left to debate on either side
7:07:56 PM me
That's how votes work
7:07:59 PM me
It wasn't at that point]
7:08:08 PM Wolfmank2323
Um
7:08:10 PM Wolfmank2323
Hikaru
7:08:15 PM me
I had plenty to go for debating my fucking keyboard died
7:08:20 PM Wolfmank2323
You'd been running in circles since it was requested in December
7:08:28 PM Wolfmank2323
Everyone was tired of debating
7:08:31 PM me
It's not circles. You say it's different things it's not.
7:08:44 PM me
It's more explanation for the whole entire point that it breaks the system.
7:08:53 PM me
Not all cards were fuckign laid out.
7:09:01 PM Wolfmank2323
You still haven't explained how it breaks the system.
7:09:10 PM me
I have plenty of times. Now I want Orph to back himself up not you
7:09:19 PM me
Because what you say and he says could be entirely different
7:09:24 PM Wolfmank2323
Orph doesn't need to back himself up anymore, we approved this.
7:09:23 PM me
You''re not Orph
7:09:43 PM me
It should not have been voted on fucker as it wasn't done being debated. Are we gonna fuckign argue this all day?
7:09:57 PM Wolfmank2323
It was done being debated.
7:09:59 PM me
No it was not
7:10:18 PM me
You were done. That doesn't mean I was done. And you voted on it without Orph answering anything just what you THOUGHT was the answer.
7:10:22 PM me
It was approved as your version
7:10:25 PM me
Not his version
7:10:27 PM me
NOT YOUR PLACE
7:10:42 PM Wolfmank2323
The majority of the staff was done debating.
7:10:43 PM me
You said chemicals. Who says he said chemicals?
7:10:46 PM me
Huh?
7:10:48 PM me
Ypui'
7:10:50 PM me
*you're not him
7:11:02 PM Wolfmank2323
I was giving an example to prove your logic was faulty, I never said his request involved chemicals.
7:11:07 PM me
Then it has no capability
7:11:16 PM me
There's no way for it to obtain capability for spellcraft
7:11:30 PM Wolfmank2323
Why not?
7:11:31 PM me
...
7:11:50 PM me
I'm not debating with you any further as I JUST EXPLAINED IT. I'll debate it with Orph himself.
7:12:01 PM Wolfmank2323
Well, it's approved.
7:12:03 PM me
No its' not
7:12:12 PM Wolfmank2323
The staff says it is.
7:12:14 PM me
Not all staff
7:12:21 PM Wolfmank2323
The majority does.
7:12:29 PM me
Fuck the majority when it shouldn't have been voted yet anyways
7:12:43 PM Wolfmank2323
You're the only one who thinks there should be no vote.
7:12:52 PM me
Um Lyoko voted deny too
7:13:03 PM Wolfmank2323
Doesn't mean he thought there should be no vote
7:13:09 PM me
Then I will speak to him
7:13:36 PM Wolfmank2323
Go right ahead, it's still approved unless you can present a good case to staff in the staff topic for us to reconsider and let you continue debating.
7:13:39 PM me
No it's not
7:14:00 PM me
I've presented a good enough case I designed the goddamn magic system. There is no way for energy to get the fucking capability to fuck with reality
7:14:28 PM Wolfmank2323
So because you designed one thing that can affect reality, you get to decide how other seperate things manipulate reality?
7:14:39 PM me
No. I designed that god damn thing so it would make sense as to how it does
7:14:45 PM me
ORPH HASN'T EXPLAINED A GODDAMN THING AS TO HOW HIS DOES
7:14:52 PM me
YOU'RE LETTING A GODDAMN UNKNOWN BACK INTO THE RP
7:14:56 PM me
WHICH BREAKS THE SYSTEM
7:15:06 PM Wolfmank2323
Doesn't break the system at all.
7:15:07 PM me
YES IT DOES
7:15:09 PM Wolfmank2323
It's a new idea.
7:15:15 PM me
THE SYSTEM WAS DESIGNED TO FUCKING EXPLAIN
7:15:18 PM me
HIS DOES NOT EXPLAIN ANYTHING
7:15:27 PM me
IT'S NOT A NEW IDEA
7:15:32 PM me
IT'S AN UNEXPLAINED UNWORKING IDEA
7:15:43 PM Wolfmank2323
Which makes it new, and different.
7:15:49 PM me
...It makes it not work without being explained
7:15:54 PM Wolfmank2323
He explained it quite well, it's energy manipulating existence.
7:16:03 PM Wolfmank2323
I don't need any more explanation.
7:16:07 PM me
Energy can't manipulate existence energy falls under existence
7:16:20 PM Wolfmank2323
So does magic
7:16:22 PM Wolfmank2323
7:17:03 PM me
Magic is converted existence. If you're saying energy falls under existence and does the same as magic then it is goddamn magic and is no different. The system incorporeates everything so Magister energy can't be anything different because it's alerady fucking incorporated
7:17:18 PM Wolfmank2323
Magic is not energy last time I checked.
7:17:43 PM me
Not it is not. But if Magic is existence and energy is existence and the energy you're TALKING about does the same as magic then it is magic. As it's existence with teh same damn properties.
7:18:14 PM Wolfmank2323
That's like saying I exist and you exist, and we're both white, therefore we are the same exact person only different.
7:18:13 PM me
When I designed the system I designed it to explain everything in existence that is existence that's done
7:18:21 PM me
That analogy is irrelevent
7:18:35 PM me
We do not have the same properties. I cannot do what you do
7:18:47 PM Wolfmank2323
No it's not, it describes this perfectly. Just because energy and magic can do the same thing and because they both exist does not make them the same.
7:18:47 PM me
You're telling me energy can do spellcraft and is existence what magic does.
7:18:50 PM me
\It's teh same god damn stuff
7:19:07 PM Wolfmank2323
It goes about doing it differently, and this is what Orph said in the request not me
7:19:24 PM me
It doesn't matter if it goes about doing it different if you're calling it existence with teh same properties
7:19:29 PM me
Because it's still existence.
7:19:36 PM me
Congrats you just put it back in the system
7:19:52 PM Wolfmank2323
Nobody was arguing it wasn't existence, everything in the RP is existence
7:20:21 PM me
Which was why teh goddamn system was designed as it explained EVERYTHING. So his thing is NO DIFFERENT and can't be approved as magister energy as it's goddamn magic just converted differently.
7:20:30 PM me
So Orph's trying to "get out o f the system point."
7:20:31 PM me
Fails
7:20:40 PM Wolfmank2323
It's not magic at all
7:20:44 PM me
Which was teh only goddamn reason he made it so he wouldn't be in teh system
7:20:45 PM me
It's magic
7:21:01 PM Wolfmank2323
Since when was energy that can control stuff around it the same thing as magic/
7:21:01 PM Wolfmank2323
?
7:21:09 PM me
If it uses spellcraft the property of magic
7:21:11 PM me
Then it is magic
7:21:21 PM Wolfmank2323
What do you mean the property of magic
7:21:59 PM me
Spellcraft is what magic does. Energy does not use spellcraft or we could do it in real life. For his energy to be existence and at the same time use spellcraft it makes it magic
7:22:59 PM Wolfmank2323
We do not have Magister energy in real life. There's no reason a unique, fictional energy which he made up can't do spellcraft. This doesn't make it magic.
7:23:08 PM me
He's given it no reason it can do spellcraft
7:23:48 PM me
Except "converted to do so" WELL GUESS WHAT I explained the conversion magic does to do so. PURE Existence already has the capability. Energy is a diluted existence and doesn't already hold that capability. So he needs to explain how the fuck it does so
7:24:16 PM me
Hmm where's those scans..
7:24:27 PM Wolfmank2323
Why can't a unique kind of energy have that capability?
7:24:50 PM me
Because it's not unique. It's regular energy being converted to be unique but picking up that capability from nowhere.
7:25:01 PM Wolfmank2323
He said it wasnt regular energy
7:25:09 PM me
He said it took in energy of other things
7:25:15 PM Wolfmank2323
Oh yeah
7:25:23 PM Wolfmank2323
But it still goes through The Core
7:25:40 PM me
Doesn't give it capability unless it was magic energy but magic energy is magic and just called fucking energy.
7:25:57 PM me
http://shatteredplanes.com/forum/index.php?topic=357.0 Magic as viewed IRL but shows spellcraft being unique and something ALWAYS magic only in fiction.
7:25:59 PM Wolfmank2323
Why doesn't it give it the capability? Why does it have to be magic energy?
7:26:06 PM me
WHERE is it getting the capability
7:26:46 PM Wolfmank2323
Well, the only logical conclusion anyone can reach is that it's in the conversion process in the Core. But none of us really care about the particulars that happen in the Core, except you and Lyoko.
7:27:00 PM Wolfmank2323
I doubt Lyoko even cares, he just is denying it cause he said it's too powerful
7:27:08 PM me
""and magical power traditionally lies in the knowledge of spells and rites""
7:27:18 PM me
The very definition of magic is spellcraft and the impossible.
7:27:27 PM me
If you take that and give it to something else you defeat what magic even is
7:27:53 PM Wolfmank2323
Again, this is you saying, "I already have something that can do this kinda stuff so you can't make something similar but different!"
7:27:56 PM me
No it is not
7:28:05 PM me
Ot
7:28:13 PM me
*It's not similiar it's the same goddamn thing just a different name
7:28:32 PM Wolfmank2323
Energy and magic are not the same thing -_-
7:28:36 PM me
They're the same if they cast spells
7:28:48 PM me
Magic is in pure definition of ALL FICTION
7:28:53 PM me
The impossible/spellcraft
7:29:07 PM Wolfmank2323
The point of this request is to say that magic isn't the only way to cast a spell.
7:29:21 PM me
Which it is. Because the energy doesn't have the capability that magic does as it has nowhere to get it from
7:29:35 PM me
You're trying to say that spellcraft is somethign just anyone can do
7:29:57 PM Wolfmank2323
If Orpheus says that it does have somewhere to get it from, why can't it?
7:30:03 PM Wolfmank2323
Not anyone has Magister energy
7:30:13 PM me
Because Orpheaus's only goal is to get out of the system because he thinks existence thing is stupid.
7:30:25 PM Wolfmank2323
That's his right as a roleplayer
7:30:24 PM me
So unless he backs himself up he's lying his ass off
7:30:55 PM me
If he can't come up with it which he's had plenty of time to post so then he's lying.
7:30:59 PM Wolfmank2323
So because you don't like the fact that Orph requested this to get out of the system, you're denying him the ability to define his own request.
7:31:06 PM me
That's not what I'm saying K2.
7:31:29 PM me
I'm saying that because that's his only reason his 'somewhere' is a cheap cop out because he can't explain it.
7:31:51 PM me
I've given him the ability to define it you keep butting in and speaking for him with idiotic ideas.
7:32:42 PM Wolfmank2323
But that's an opinion, you don't like it because it doesn't have near as much depth as yours. But remember when magic started out we didn't explain it.
7:32:58 PM me
I don't have a prioblem with it if it's defined EXPLAINED and makes sense. But if it's left unknown as you want it to be it's a plot hole
7:33:05 PM me
The THINGS I'M TRYING AND BEEN TRYING TO GET RID OF
7:33:24 PM Wolfmank2323
I'm okay with this request because it leaves room to grow. I like the fact that it's sort of vague.
7:33:24 PM me
I'm not animating something that has plot holes. Plotholes suck
7:33:51 PM Wolfmank2323
Look, let him develop it and flesh it out through RPing. That's all I'm saying.
7:34:08 PM me
No because it's letting an unknown in that can be exploited because it's an unknown.
7:34:27 PM Wolfmank2323
If he exploits it that's when we punish him. Not before.
7:34:26 PM me
ALL I want is the goddamn conversion as to how it gets capability. Then I'm fine with it. JUST GIVE THAT GOD DAMN THING
7:34:51 PM me
If that part is explained then it finally makes sense and is not a plot hole.
7:35:45 PM Wolfmank2323
So basically you want him to explain how the Core works a little bit more?
7:35:46 PM me
No
7:36:04 PM me
I want the conversion processes as to what it converts with to obtain a capability that it normally does not have.
7:36:15 PM me
Because if there's nothing to give it hat capability then it's broken
7:36:28 PM Wolfmank2323
Okay, look, can you do me a favor?
7:36:29 PM me
Goddamn it still no shiony
7:37:03 PM Wolfmank2323
Just post in the Magister topic saying that you're fine with it and you'll approve but you just want that explanation. Show him that you just need that little bit of info to be fine with it.
7:37:07 PM me
Um no...
7:37:16 PM me
I don't approve it if he doesn't come up with capability.
7:37:35 PM me
You want me to approve something that might not even work when he does give the info?
7:38:13 PM me
I'm just gonna post this goddamn log in the topic.
7:38:25 PM Wolfmank2323
It's already been approved but I respect the fact that you want more information. I'm just saying, come on, work with him here. Don't continue to try to scare him away.
7:38:27 PM Wolfmank2323
Fine.
7:38:37 PM me
It being approved for not working it showing how fucked up a staff we have.
7:38:44 PM me
Posting log.

K2 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 20, 2012, 10:35:40 PM »

Most of our plot was fleshed out in time. I don't need more details.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #3 on:** March 20, 2012, 10:38:19 PM »

I do. I designed the system and other charts to get rid of plot holes. Approving this as it is puts them back in. Fix the plot holes so they make sense (not with something random) and I'll approve and stop debating. Otherwise it's a goddamn plothole.

Plot holes make fiction suck.

K2 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 20, 2012, 10:42:23 PM »

Fine. -_-

Orph, please explain how the conversion process allows it to do more complicated spellwork and then we'll approve.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #5 on:** March 20, 2012, 10:45:25 PM »

Quote from: Kaleb on March 20, 2012, 10:42:23 PM

Orph, please explain how the conversion process allows it to do more complicated spellwork and then we'll approve.

Unless it still doesn't make sense and doesn't work thus making it still a plot hole. Otherwise, what he said.

Kalorph_ · « **Reply #6 on:** March 21, 2012, 12:04:07 AM »

It isn't the conversion process that allows for more unique and intricate actions. It's the mind of the Magister; that is the driving force and the intelligence behind the act.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #7 on:** March 21, 2012, 03:58:05 AM »

Oh good one K2, you almost did approve something broken as you didn't even approve it with the right damn method. Told you, you should have let Orph handle it -.-

Again, the mind wouldn't give it the capability for spellcraft. Oh it WOULD because the mind is the spirit, but that again would be spirit energy. If it's biological process energy like K2 wants to say it is then it has no way to obtain the capability for spellcraft and thus we're back to square one.

K2 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 21, 2012, 04:18:10 PM »

So suggestions?

Queen Bright · « **Reply #9 on:** March 21, 2012, 04:19:13 PM »

As to Nisorin in the past. It's not my job to suggest, just to say why it doesn't work, approve, or deny. That's the RPers job. If they can't come up with it, not my problem.

Kalorph_ · « **Reply #10 on:** March 21, 2012, 04:50:35 PM »

You guys are going down the wrong damn path! This isn't SPELLCRAFT. It's not a system based of yours; the spirit isn't involved, and for god's sake trying to force you OWN ideas for an RP that used to be all about innovation and new ideas is sickening.

It's a corporeal act.

The core allows for energy absorption and re-purposing. Any form of energy can be absorbed into the core; which converts it into any form the Magister wants. While in the core the energy is then imprinted by the Magister. This imprinting process can either be incredibly complex or simple. Depending on the actions the Magister wants to perform.

On another note! The idea that you get to decide what is and what isn't ON MY fucking race is stupid. You don't get to control the entire fucking future of the RP just because you pitched in to fucking make it. I don't give half a rats ass that you were an original founder; the RP we now have on our hands is far from the little kiddy shit you made back on CLTCG. Stop your fucking power trip and sit the fuck down. - Yes; I know a little zealous but this wasn't meant as a flame or a personal attack.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #11 on:** March 21, 2012, 04:57:48 PM »

You're saying it can spells that's spellcraft. And we aren't controlling the damn thing, we're controlling the system.

YOU SAID it can do intricate spells that's spellcraft. So if the spirit isn't involved it's not converted like K2 was saying.l THEN how can it have an effect to do the impossible and fuck with reality against the laws of physics. WHERE is it getting the capability? I mean sure you're imprinting it with a command I understand that. But it doesn't have the capability to do said command so where is it getting the capability?

Kalorph_ · « **Reply #12 on:** March 22, 2012, 02:29:10 PM »

Spells are a relative term; it's not magic and spell isn't at all the right word for it. It can perform complicated actions LIKE spells and rituals.

It doesn't go AGAINST physics or the law of reality; it uses them against you. It isn't magic, nor is it supernatural.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #13 on:** March 22, 2012, 02:51:15 PM »

Then you need to explain what you mean my spells and how they are different. You said more complex than regular magic. Which is saying spellcraft.

Kalorph_ · « **Reply #14 on:** March 23, 2012, 05:24:01 PM »

It's energy causing either drastic or minute changes in the physical world to produce desired affects. That's the simplest I can make it.

An example would be a Magister using a large amount of kinetic force to cause nuclear fusion; this would create a large burst of energy that be either be reabsorbed and stored for use later in the core, or that could be the desired affect. A large explosion.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #15 on:** March 23, 2012, 05:41:30 PM »

How is this more complex than regular magic? You said it was more complex and intricate like rituals and such. How can it do rituals?

Kalorph_ · « **Reply #16 on:** March 23, 2012, 06:23:59 PM »

I didn't say it was more complex then regular magic. I said it could be AS complex god damn.

A ritual can easily be done; think outside the damn box. Rituals usually involve sacrifice or tribute. That's easily fucking done. EASILY.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #17 on:** March 23, 2012, 11:27:28 PM »

No it's not. Rituals bind an action. Your energy has no effect over things it can't affect.

AGAIN it doesn't have the capability for spellcraft. I'm fine with it being like ki on DBZ or something. But spells are something only magic or another force that already has the means to affect reality are capable of.

Kalorph_ · « **Reply #18 on:** March 25, 2012, 06:49:13 PM »

Well..

Energy is capable of affecting any sort of matter or energy. Anything on the corporeal plane is either matter or energy. Two + Two =

It isn't SPELLCRAFT Hikaru; it's energy affecting the world in either minute or drastic ways. Even IF it doesn't have the capability for magic ritual it is capable of it's own form of ritual use.

Kalorph_ · « **Reply #19 on:** March 29, 2012, 09:57:04 AM »

Mind telling me why this keeps getting pushed into the necro-zone of super deadposts for over 120 days?

..Hiikkaarru?

Kalorph_ · « **Reply #20 on:** March 30, 2012, 04:52:59 PM »

Alright? You know what. Fuck it; it's been approved by three outta four staff members so it's approved. I don't give half a fuck what Hikaru says. I wanna play the damn game.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #21 on:** March 30, 2012, 06:57:11 PM »

I didn't see the goddamn topic, god. Some of us are BUSY. And it was approved with what K2 thought it was not how you actually have it.

And since you say it's not spellcraft then it's not more complex than regular magic. I'll approve on the condition you admit it can't do spells and thus can't do any of the complex battle moves you've done in the past because it doesn't have the capabilities if it's not 'spellcraft.'

Also since this hasn't been covered since magic isn't energy you can't convert ANY magic. So no you can't get Genesis, Revelation or any of the special ones with this.