Archive Technology

[@Pokemon Master Red]

I still say that excessive fire should be able to overload it anyway, causing severe damage from the energy buildup.

[Gaserlake]

My entire fleet would have a hard time overloading Orph's titan, if balar is approved in this condition.

[Orph]

That rapes the entire concept of the BALAR, you guys have no reasons NOT to approve this, saying it's "Overpowered." doesn't matter if it's possible to counter-act, and destroy. And I've stated multiple times, this makes the BALAR practically immune to twp types of attacks, but makes it incredibly weak to other types.

And to not approve it for THAT reason alone is metagaming.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

Whats stopping them from just putting other kinds of armor underneath the BALAR? That would make it overpowered, because even if they get rid of that, they'd have to revert to lasers/beams, without having actually damaged the ship that much, right?

[Gaserlake]

If you right now attacked us with just a super-capital and a titan, you would be able to destroy the planet AND my fleet, if you have the balar you wanted to. It would just take two ships. And we wouldn't have time to change my weapons, as the only place right now is either Aralia or Kalak, and you would attack Aralia and Kala, one ship on each. Since I rely heavily on beams, and powerful ones too, I'm fucked.

In reality shit like this happens, but this is a game. There has to be limits.

You don't know what metagaming is, do you?

And that's what I was thinking, Hiro. Nothing is keeping Orph from putting several layers of armor. One for BALAR, the other for normal, then for BALAR, then for normal. The normal and BALAR armor would combine their strengths, overcome each others weaknesses, and it would be overpowered.

[Orph]

Except I've had this technology for months Gaser, how are you not dead yet? Hmm?

Metagaming is using OC to affect IC, disapproving this technology just because it puts YOUR empire at a disadvantage means you using your OC power, to make sure something wont happen IC. Ergo metagaming.

Except that would not allow the BALAR to work, as it's connected to a internal system of vents, if another layer was added it would interfere with the vent system.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

...Dude, you could have the vents go through the layers of armor. Not that hard, really...
And it puts a lot of empires at a disadvantage. Most technological empires dont use solid-shell weaponry, since its not as efficient. Which means that it could be argued that the Aralangs making solid-shell weapons could be metagaming, as they dont know of the armor yet and have no idea they'd need it.
And the tech itself has been debated for that long...I dont think you've actually had two approvals at a time.

[Orph]

I have, I had Nisorin and Hikaru's, and that would also be modifying the BALAR and require approval, and no I couldn't, as the vents expand to let out the energy, the extra armor would really just fucked everything up. And so? This is the Archive taking advantage of their folly, the Aralangs would have to first encounter a ship with BALAR before they would know to do such a thing.

[Gaserlake]

Because you didn't use it, obviously, and you only had it approved for a very short time. And it doesn't matter. Even the next week, you would still be able to kill me if this was approved, hell if it weren't for this, you might have done it already.

It isn't because it would put my empire at a disadvantage, it would be HOW you would. Two ships destroying an entire fleet would obviously raise a red flag.

The vent system would just go through the other layer. I don't see how it would affect it. There would just be circuitry, just everywhere. Sure, there would be a space for the circuitry, but there would be the second layer. Hell, you could just have BALAR BEHIND the normal armor. It's just having wires going from a computer, through many walls and rooms, to the printer, from one side of the house, to the other.

[Orph]

I've actually had it approved for for a long damn time.

Except you also have plasma based weaponry, meaning you could do damage back.

But like I said, that would require a request.

And for fucks sake, someone approve my other shit, you've been ignoring it.

[17:02] Tom: Hummingbird, which is it. Fighter or Corvette?
[17:02] kivith: Both.
[17:02] kivith: There are fighter and corvette versions.
[17:03] Tom: Alright. Can you just give one of them a different name, to help prevent confusion?
[17:03] kivith: Hummingbird and Hummingbird C.
[17:03] kivith: 8D
[17:03] Tom: That works.
[17:04] Tom: Posting isn't working for me at the moment, so you'll have to copy/paste this.
[17:04] Tom: Hummingbird (F+C)Approved.

[Gaserlake]

Well, that's not the point. If it were still approved now, and we approved your other stuff, you could have attacked by now.

Yes, I have plasma-based weaponry, but you could have armor that is resistant to heat.

I doubt that. Anyone would have several layers of armor. The best thing to do is to have different layers of protection, like I have for my ships. Yes, I have layers for my ships, and I haven't requested them. They were since GE, and I did mention them. Heck, I even used things that weren't approved at all, and I didn't need to, as they are standard technology.

And for fuck's sake, you shouldn't be requesting things during a big debate, especially during a debate that we shouldn't off task from.

[Orph]

I could of attacked anyway, but I didn't as the nature of the Archive means they only attack when they truly feel its the best option.

But I don't. 8D

Yes, but it would require me to explain that, and request it, seeing as the BALAR is powerful.

That just slows me down. D:<

[K2]

Upon further review, I approve of BALAR. Again.

[Gaserlake]

BALAR does not let ships absorb the energy it absorbed. Instead, the energy is vented out into space, right? Reasonably, there is an amount of time until it is overloaded, with a reasonable amount of energy. The more energy is absorbed, the longer it takes to vent out the energy. BALAR absorbs with 99.98% efficiency and takes a trillionth of a second to absorb any energy that is used against it. One last question, though. If BALAR experiences a sudden burst of extra energy through the vents, would that decrease the time it takes to overload BALAR?

Depending on the size of the wormhole, and seeing as it has to be charged, and can easily be blocked by a larger portal. Which can be created by both magic and technology.

Neutron Star Harvesting - As the Archive harvests supernovas and black holes, which are both created when a star dies they have also created ways to harvest Neutron stars. Which are basically failed black holes.


Brevis type engine - This is basically a Nemesis type engine refitted to run off of Neutron stars instead of anti-matter/matter collisions. It's equipped with a Gravitron shield which keeps the star's gravity from crushing the engine and whatever instillation it's hooked up in.

Quake inducer - By using magnetic fields the Archive has found a way to create artificial Quakes.

Starquake cannon -  By utilizing the power of a Neutron star's crust produces when it undergoes a sudden adjustment which creates a massive gamma ray flare the Archive has once again, created something that can destroy a planet or an entire fleet in a single shot. The Starquake cannon is hooked up directly to a Brevis type engine, when a Starquake occurs the gamma radiation is flooded out the cannon and towards whatever it's aiming at. This causes both a massive but aimed electromagnetic pulse and a extinction type weapon. Requires ten posts to charge, can be equipped in any ship large enough to carry a Brevis type engine.

For the NSH, supernovae, yes, but black holes, no, unless you only harvest Hawking Radiation.

For the BTE, what is done to treat the gravitational effects from the neutron star?

For the QI, wouldn't that only occur by slowing down the spinning speed for the neutron star?

For the SC, godmodding. 10 posts is too soon for a 1-shot kill of an entire fleet. The only thing that should be able to use this is a titan, due to how much is needed to maintain and use this weapon. Otherwise, a capital ship, heck even a large frigate, which is a class that is mass produced, can use it. I would say 30 posts for a charge like this. Also, it should be a one-time use, unless you are able to spin the neutron star again, which is another reason why a titan should be the only thing that can use this.

[Orph]

I'm fine with an increase in post limit, but the Brevis powers itself, produces more energy then it takes to use, leading to enough for the SQ cannon. Lets say, twenty five posts, equipped in Super-capitals and Titans. Not one shot in general, but can't fire again that same topic.

We already do that for the black hole and such.

Gravitron shield.

No, it causes a Teutonic plate to shift.

[Gaserlake]

I still say titan. Super-capitals? All of your requested ships are supercapitals, and one titan. Regardless. I don't want to see freaking EMP monsters that take out enemy ships. Heck, you would probably blow up enemy ships from it. Good thing I had that AEMPM approved. 30 posts and only titan.

NSH approved, as long as it only collects Hawking Radiation.

BTE approved.

QI approved.

Dammit. I get so many more questions for the BALAR. It is: Would it overload BALAR faster if the energy goes all at ones, or a lot at a time?

[Orph]

Even if the target was immune to EMPs it would still be destroyed, as the SQ also fires gamma radiation, which is actually the bulk of the blast.

All at once would be slower.

[Gaserlake]

Gamma rays are part of the EM spectrum.

How come all at once would be slower? It's a lot of energy, before you would be able to vent it out.

[Orph]

Yes, but it's not just an electromagnetic pulse, the gamma radiation would incinerate a ship.

I had that backwards. 8D

[Gaserlake]

Well, the way you use it, it is used for an EMP.

So, all at once would be faster?

[Orph]

Yeah.

But it's also gamma radiation, which is in itself an EMP but can also cause damage. The SQ cannon is a directed gamma ray burst.

[Gaserlake]

Uh, still EMP to me. Radiowaves would be used, which is part of the EM spectrum, so it's ultimately used as an EMP. Same for microwave, infrared, visible light, ultraviolet, x-ray, and gamma ray. I don't see how it's different than that. It would damage the same was as an EMP, if it's any different.

BALAR approved.

[Orph]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-ray_burst

[Gaserlake]

They are the most luminous ELECTROMAGNETIC events to occur. Use it as a pulse, and BAM! You made an EMP.

[Orph]

Yes, but it isn't JUST an emp, it is a massive blast of radiation powerful enough to incinerate a planet. And truly, fifteen posts is actually enough, seeing as it isn't charging the energy, but just causing a quake in the Neutron star.