Author Topic: Loreian technology (Read 2477 times)

Nisorin · « **on:** November 16, 2009, 12:06:41 AM »

Portable AAM generator: A large, heavy backpack filled with a miniaturized AAM generator. Can project an anti-anti-magic dome roughly fifty feed in diameter. Because of its weight, it is normally used by the beefier, more heavily-armored Loreians.

Ship-type SAAM Generator: Ship Anti-Anti-Magic generators designed to produce an extremely dense, form-fitting AAM field around a Loreian ship, essentially making the interior of the ship immune to AM effects. The larger the ship class, the more powerful the generator to compensate.

Ship-type MAG: By playing around with many of the principles behind the Anti-Magic field, Loreian innovators were able to create a powerful Magical Amplification Generator, or MAG. By building an SCS into the MAG, ship scale magic is not only possible, but almost relatively inexpensive. The size of the MAG and SCS will dictate how large the amplification is, but generally it will make magical combat between ships of similar size a valid tactical option. Fighters do not use MAGs, since most pilots can already use magic of fighter scale.

Ship Control Systems (SCS): Specialized magic-receptive devices inside every Loreian ship of Corvette class and above. These systems allow pilots, weapons specialists, and shielding scientists to magically 'jack in' to the ship's systems, allowing them unprecedented control and reaction time. These systems are largely incompatible with the way conventional magic works, and naturally completely impossible for a non-magic person to use.

Lucerne type fighter: An artistically designed fighter, it wields one laser autocannon and a ballistics launcher using shaped spikes made from surrounding space dust gathered from special filters. It uses one SCS to control all the ship's functions.

Armadon type Capital Ship:An average sized capital ship laden with manned autocannons, alternating between laser, plasma, and ballistic turrets. It isn't equipped with the amplifier, but is equipped with the three SCS modules, one for propulsion and navigation, one for weapons, and the last for shielding. The Armadon is the widely deployed ship and is the one most likely to be seen during any scale battle.

Spire type Super Capital Ship: A good 15% larger than the average super capital ship, the Spire is equipped with four separate, particularly large SCS modules, one for propulsion/navigation, one for shielding, one for weapons, and the last for the main quartet cannon. The cannon combines specially made polymers with large amounts of magical energy, forming a substance that is a cross between matter and energy, providing the sheer kinetic force of a projectile cannon as well as the accuracy and EM properties from energy, with the small addition of a corrosive effect on hulls. The Spire type is equipped with the magical amplifier as well, providing it some often well needed versatility.

Eloquence type Titan: The Eloquence is nearly two earth-diameters wide. Using large clusters of SCS modules to control the shields, weapons and propulsion systems, it is currently the most complex ship in the Loreian arsenal. Boasting twin sets of enlarged Spire quartet cannons controlled by their own separate SCS arrays, numerous docking bays on the underside capable of accommodating hosts of Armadon types, four gatling-barrel-style missile launchers utilizing fighter sized missiles and two large plasma cannons, the Eloquence is as much to be feared as admired for its sleek design. Three magic amplifiers are housed in this ship, one at either wing tip, and one at the 'stinger.'

The rings along the wings, as well as the spires coming off of the tail, house the standard laser and ballistics turrets.

Gaserlake · « **Reply #1 on:** November 18, 2009, 10:49:18 PM »

I would have to say no to the MAG, unless it would only give a small increase to magic. For the SCS, I would say no to that, unless it can be restricted. I approve the PAAM and the SAAM. The SAAM is universal, I believe.

Nisorin · « **Reply #2 on:** November 19, 2009, 10:51:06 PM »

Restricted how? It's essentially the Chair from Stargate (I forget what it's actually called. The thing they control the Drones with.) only instead of requiring the Ancient Gene, it uses Loreian magic.

Also, the MAG just allows for ship scale magic, basically the same concept as the Relorian Nourias Chambers that were approved.

Also, what of the ships?

Gaserlake · « **Reply #3 on:** November 20, 2009, 11:41:49 PM »

Meaning, that enemy ships can restrict the SCS, nullifying the effects. MAG approved. The ships aren't approved yet, as they contain something that we are debating about (SCS).

Nisorin · « **Reply #4 on:** November 21, 2009, 07:33:17 PM »

I'm not sure you understand what the SCS is. The SCS is the way the ship is controlled, only instead of using joysticks and steering wheels and stuff, it interfaces with the pilot through their magic.

Gaserlake · « **Reply #5 on:** November 22, 2009, 11:45:37 PM »

Oh. I thought it was a tech to control other ships. Meh. Confusion bites. Approved, as well as the fighter and capital ship. For the cannon, what is it, if it is a cross between energy and matter? To exist you either have to be energy or matter.

Nisorin · « **Reply #6 on:** November 25, 2009, 02:08:35 AM »

It is something else entirely. Like, converting matter to energy, but stopping in the middle of the process.

Gaserlake · « **Reply #7 on:** November 26, 2009, 11:06:53 PM »

No such thing. You can't make mass or energy disappear. The conversion is instantaneous, so you can't stop in the middle of it. In fact, it would have no middle.

Nisorin · « **Reply #8 on:** November 27, 2009, 01:26:57 AM »

Certain methods of conversion are instantaneous, maybe. That wouldn't at all mean that all are. The process wouldn't have anything to do with making either mass or energy disappear. But, to be more specific on the actual properties of the substance, it does have kinetic impact, IE whipping a rock at a wall and having the rock bounce back. Because of this, it is subject to momentum. But, it also has certain properties of energy, most notably producing an EM field, having better offensive effectiveness against shields as compared to standard matter weapons, and not being affected by the accuracy-reducing effects of gravity.

Gaserlake · « **Reply #9 on:** November 27, 2009, 06:36:26 PM »

No. If it isn't then it would be something else, which would brake the law of conservation of energy and matter. If it isn't energy, it is matter. If it isn't matter, it is energy. You can't make this other thing from energy, or matter. It would make a decrease in energy and matter, and that brakes the laws of conservation.

Nisorin · « **Reply #10 on:** December 01, 2009, 01:02:24 AM »

The Law of Conservation was made without knowledge of a possible middle ground between matter and energy. Should such a thing be found or created, the law would have to be changed.

Gaserlake · « **Reply #11 on:** December 02, 2009, 10:41:36 PM »

Law of Conservation talks only about matter and energy. Converting matter into the thing that isn't matter or energy, would be a decrease in matter, yet no increase in energy. That breaks the law of conservation. There has to be an amount of matter and energy that will equal the same number.

Nisorin · « **Reply #12 on:** December 03, 2009, 04:47:19 PM »

Exactly my point. It talks only about matter and energy because it was written during a time when we had no knowledge of a third possibility. If you introduce a third possibility, the law becomes flawed and thus, incorrect.

You seem to have a very, very black-and-white view of this, which seems to be why you have such a problem with it. Consider this situation: We, in our current reality, discover a third choice. Something that is not energy, but not matter either. That substance would break the law of conservation, which would force scientists to do research in order to rewrite the law. The resulting changes to the law of conservation would accommodate matter, energy, and the new substance.

Orph · « **Reply #13 on:** December 03, 2009, 04:48:49 PM »

Gaser just got mind fucked.

Gaserlake · « **Reply #14 on:** December 03, 2009, 07:16:54 PM »

Ah, but we are restricting tech to modern laws of science. Also, the law may be flawed, or it could be the other way. The law is correct, and it is impossible to make a third type of existence. But, as we are going by our modern-day laws of science to restrict how far technology goes, your tech is impossible.

Nisorin · « **Reply #15 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:56:43 PM »

If we are going by modern scientific knowledge, then anti-anything fields are impossible, hyperspace/jump drive/drift space are all impossible, laser weaponry (on the scale used in this board) is impossible. Your entire empire is impossible.

Gaserlake · « **Reply #16 on:** December 05, 2009, 09:46:37 PM »

Not really. Anti-fields are specific types of energy used to stop specific types of acts. Or, specific types of atoms, or specific types of charges. Hyperspace is on the drawing boards today, in real life. It's not you moving, but spacetime moving faster than the speed of light. JD, is possible, according to some quantum theory, which states that not only atoms can be in two places at once, some have to be in two places at once. Drift Space is used via inter-universe travel, where physicists today say other universes do exist. Lasers are just intense beams of light. We can destroy nukes with lasers, and this takes place in the future. My empire can actually exist in a parallel universe, where whatever we write IC actually happens. Infinite universes means infinite possibilities. Also, magic, from a scientific point of view, is actually an undetectable force. We can detect it, because this takes place in the future.

Nisorin · « **Reply #17 on:** December 06, 2009, 10:20:19 PM »

Then you just gave me no reason to not be able to have a substance that is somewhere between matter and energy, since this is in the future. Though, to be honest, you never really shot down my argument regarding the Law of Conservation either.

Another thing that lends credence to my quartet cannons is the 'parallel universe' bit you mentioned. Since, yes, the universe that GE is in is a parallel universe from the one we live in, my new substance, which I am going to call ether just to make this conversation easier, is entirely possible.

Gaserlake · « **Reply #18 on:** December 07, 2009, 09:15:55 PM »

I did win your argument, because it is possible that the Law of Conservation is correct, and your new way of conversion is impossible. Yet, we stick with modern science, and with our modern science, the Law of Conservation makes your new way of conversion impossible. E=mc² supports the Law of Conservation. If you disobey this law, you are disobeying everything you know about science. GE can take place in this universe, as GE takes place in the future, and that GE contains Earth. Ether already exists. It's an oxygen atom connected to two alkyl or aryl groups.

Nisorin · « **Reply #19 on:** December 08, 2009, 12:54:47 AM »

I just picked Ether to make the conversation easier. It's not the final name for it. And anyway, when did any of us ever agree that we were sticking to modern science? I never heard it happen. And that does not defeat my argument that the introduction of a third possibility would make the Law of Conservation flawed, even if it is currently correct. After all, in regard to science, the word 'correct' can only cover as far as we have learned.

Also, what the hell is an alkyl/aryl group?

K2 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 09, 2009, 09:54:49 PM »

First off, the only thing we've done in regards to this modern day technology thing is say that generally accepted theories is what we use on this board, which would win Gaser's argument be he correct.. But honestly, I don't see why mass or energy is lost in this process of conversion.. This new type of matter isn't achieved by converting mass to energy, but stopping in the middle. That's merely the best way to describe it. The amount of energy is not less then before, nor is the amount of matter - its all converted. The laws of nature are still preserved, with a general addition to the theory which doesn't alter it being included, perfectly legal in-game.

Gaserlake · « **Reply #21 on:** December 10, 2009, 10:05:56 PM »

I see why mass or energy can be lost in the process of conversion... generally accepted theories say it's impossible. Really, you say generally accepted theories is what we use on this board, thus winning my argument as a whole, as E=mc² is not a generally accepted theory, it's a universally accepted theory. The difference is that generally accepted means that the majority people agree with it, while some don't. Universally means that everyone agrees with it. I could be wrong, but I know that universally accepted means it is accepted more than generally accepted.

It makes sense that we obey modern science for tech, otherwise we wouldn't be restricting technology in requests as much, in fact, we wouldn't have to request tech at all, if it were the case.

For the 'stopping in the middle' part, there is no middle part. It is all instantaneous, and I never said anything about mass or energy has to disappear, which is what I'm saying is impossible.

Nisorin · « **Reply #22 on:** December 12, 2009, 03:06:45 AM »

Every single action takes some length of time to complete. You type in 1+1 into a computer, hit enter, and it seems like it's done instantly, but it's not. It still took time for the computer to read the equation, process the math, send the answer to the graphics, process/render the graphics, send the graphics to the monitor, and show up on the screen. 'Instantaneous' simply means that it seems to not take any time at all.

Also, you still are not listening to what I have said regarding the Law of Conservation. YES, the Law could be correct. In science, the word 'correct' can only possibly mean 'true to the best of our knowledge,' due to the nature of science. If we find something that we did not previously know about, it changes things. Like when it was discovered that the Earth is spherical, not flat. Therefore, introducing a third possibility would force the Law to have to be altered.

Gaserlake · « **Reply #23 on:** December 15, 2009, 10:18:35 PM »

Ah, but converting energy into matter and vice versa is not like a computer. And I am aware of the word 'instantaneous', which is why I used it.

Also, we are going by the best of our knowledge, which is going by the generally accepted laws. You are saying that everything we know about science can be wrong. I don't contest that, but we are going by what is 'true to the best of our knowledge', aka, generally accepted theories.

Nisorin · « **Reply #24 on:** December 16, 2009, 12:35:56 AM »

Generally accepted, yes, but the introduction of something as different as this would require the law to be changed, whether or not it was generally accepted before. A lot of the technology used on this board relies on that same fact.

Also, because of the meaning of the word 'instantaneous,' one would still be able to stop the process in the middle by halting it halfway through the time it takes. Sure, you'd have to use a computer or something similar to accomplish that, but with a powerful enough computer it wouldn't be all that difficult.