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Re: Loreian technology
« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2009, 10:01:32 PM »
My term of instantaneous means that, in this case, it would take literally NO time for the conservation process to complete. Of course, if you have a heap amount of matter, like a planet, it would take time, as it would convert so much matter at a time, but the conversion process itself involves no time.
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Re: Loreian technology
« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2009, 10:56:31 PM »
Every physical action takes time. Converting matter to energy, or energy to matter, is a physical action. If it didn't, entire planets would be converted with absolutely zero time to react.
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Re: Loreian technology
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2009, 06:27:38 PM »
Gaserlake!
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Re: Loreian technology
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2009, 06:39:49 PM »
We did solve the problem in IM. I was imagining a tube as a converter. The tube is not big enough to shove the entire planet into it. Same goes with the converting beam, that is 1/100 the size of the planet. The beam would convert everything in its path. The turning of the beam is at low speed, so it would take time to convert all matter. The converting process is instantaneous.
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Re: Loreian technology
« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2009, 07:30:24 PM »
So, approved?
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Re: Loreian technology
« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2009, 07:48:13 PM »
nisorinlertis 7:44 pm
    Converting one atom of matter into a similar amount of energy would take SOME amount of time, even if incredibly little, correct?
Orph 7:45 pm
    Yeah.

nisorinlertis 7:44 pm
        Converting one atom of matter into a similar amount of energy would take SOME amount of time, even if incredibly little, correct?
    K2 7:45 pm
        yes
        itd be quicker for just one atom with magic
        but in regards to tech
        some time
        maybe fifteen minutes
    nisorinlertis 7:45 pm
        Wait, fifteen minutes for a single atom?
    K2 7:46 pm
        no, for more than a single atom
        hm
    nisorinlertis 7:46 pm
        Right now I'm talking single atom.
        It's about my Quartet Cannon and its special bullets.
    K2 7:46 pm
        hmm
        one minute
        I'd say
    nisorinlertis 7:47 pm
        But it would still take time. So, my argument wins, and I get my god damn cannon approved.
    K2 7:47 pm
        yes


Judging from this, I'd say your argument is completely shot down.

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Re: Loreian technology
« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2009, 03:08:57 PM »
Here's the problem. Converting energy into matter is very difficult, as it requires a lot of energy to create matter. According to E=mc2, one gram of matter requires energy equivalent to 89.9 terajoules, or 21.5 kilotons of TNT, to make. Reasonably, ether would take a lot more energy to create, especially if it can only be man-made.

Matter is a type of energy. The only difference between the two is that one has mass, and since it has mass, it has volume. Is ether a type of energy, as well? Today, we know that there are two types of existence: energy and matter. If we make a third kind of existence, then we might have to rewrite a lot of science as we know today, possibly all of it. How will ether change quantum mechanics and quantum physics? What are the equations of the equivalence of ether and energy, and ether and matter? How will this change force, as force is a product of mass and acceleration, and mass is matter, and acceleration is energy. How will this change momentum? Is ether unstable? If so, then what is the half-life of it? Would this support or contradict String Theory? I could go on, and ask so much questions.

Instead, let's do something more simple to do. Why not make ether a type of energy, like Ether energy? It won't be a new type of existence, but it would be under the category of energy, and makes things easier, and hey, I would approve it.

The link that K2 sent you, that supposedly said that it takes time to convert matter into energy, does not include anything about if it takes time to convert matter into energy or not.
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Re: Loreian technology
« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2009, 03:41:38 PM »
Quote from: Gaserlake on December 23, 2009, 03:08:57 PM
Here's the problem. Converting energy into matter is very difficult, as it requires a lot of energy to create matter. According to E=mc2, one gram of matter requires energy equivalent to 89.9 terajoules, or 21.5 kilotons of TNT, to make. Reasonably, ether would take a lot more energy to create, especially if it can only be man-made.

Matter is a type of energy. The only difference between the two is that one has mass, and since it has mass, it has volume. Is ether a type of energy, as well? Today, we know that there are two types of existence: energy and matter. If we make a third kind of existence, then we might have to rewrite a lot of science as we know today, possibly all of it. How will ether change quantum mechanics and quantum physics? What are the equations of the equivalence of ether and energy, and ether and matter? How will this change force, as force is a product of mass and acceleration, and mass is matter, and acceleration is energy. How will this change momentum? Is ether unstable? If so, then what is the half-life of it? Would this support or contradict String Theory? I could go on, and ask so much questions.

Instead, let's do something more simple to do. Why not make ether a type of energy, like Ether energy? It won't be a new type of existence, but it would be under the category of energy, and makes things easier, and hey, I would approve it.

The link that K2 sent you, that supposedly said that it takes time to convert matter into energy, does not include anything about if it takes time to convert matter into energy or not.
Even if it takes a very short amount of time, everything must take time or it wouldn't exist because the matter wouldn't convert. Instead of asking us to find links saying everything takes time, you should find links saying otherwise.
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Re: Loreian technology
« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2009, 05:04:22 PM »
Converting energy into matter, and vice-versa, takes no time, as both have mass. Even photons have mass. The reason why E=mc2 says photons have no mass, is because it is only describing the REST mass. But, photons are always moving, thus they must have mass. Everything that has energy has mass. Light has energy, so it must have mass. The reason why it has no rest mass is because light is never at rest. http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae180.cfm Also, if it has momentum, it must have mass, as momentum is a product of mass and velocity. I also have a theory of my own. If light has no mass, then how does it attract to gravity?

If his tech is possible, then he would have to describe how it changes science, which is a hell of a lot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_conservation_of_mass

The Law of Conservation of Mass states that mass the total mass cannot be changed in an isolated system. If you take the energy out of the system, to use it for the cannon, you would be breaking that law, as a closed system cannot interact with its surroundings, and mass would escape the system. If ether has mass, then the law applies. If ether has no mass, the law would be broken, as that would turn mass into non-mass. Also, energy has mass and mass has energy. Thus, matter is a type of energy, as it has mass. Where does this leave ether?
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Re: Loreian technology
« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2009, 07:28:43 PM »
Do you honestly think any person here on this board would have the time and/or knowledge to show you the specific changes it would make to current scientific knowledge?

Also, yet again it does not break the Law of Conservation because no mass is created, and no mass is destroyed. The end result has the same mass as the input, it is simply in a different form. This occurs innumerable amounts of times a day even in current society, in everything from complex scientific experiments to simple cooking and bodily functions.
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Re: Loreian technology
« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2009, 07:33:45 PM »
Due to our agreement, I approve the tech.
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