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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #50 on: February 29, 2012, 01:29:29 PM »
Oh brother. I say we leave this whole damn argument till Jeebus gets it. He has a good concept of what metagaming is and should solve it.
I'm pretty sure we should just close this argument altogether, but yeah, I agree with you.
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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #51 on: February 29, 2012, 03:52:43 PM »
Agreed, as it seems we all have different concepts of where the line is drawn on what is and is not metagaming.

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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #52 on: February 29, 2012, 04:52:17 PM »
*pokes head in* Um, hey, guys. Er, well, see, I had a Zarethian Big Game Hunter arrive on Swift's planet before Cap attacked so he's still there from my standpoint since that topic was kinda deadened. Either way, he's there.. or was. And now he'll be calling his contact in the Zarethian government who will send some ships *non military* to investigate the claims of conduct that he'll call... or if he's pretty much dead already by something, someone will be worried and send civi ships.
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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #53 on: February 29, 2012, 05:01:15 PM »
Basically what Cap did when you were gone:

Captured a sample of the creatures to enslave(;~;)
Fish-bowled(glass covered) and blew stuff up on the planet to destroy it
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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #54 on: February 29, 2012, 09:02:33 PM »
*pokes head in* Um, hey, guys. Er, well, see, I had a Zarethian Big Game Hunter arrive on Swift's planet before Cap attacked so he's still there from my standpoint since that topic was kinda deadened. Either way, he's there.. or was. And now he'll be calling his contact in the Zarethian government who will send some ships *non military* to investigate the claims of conduct that he'll call... or if he's pretty much dead already by something, someone will be worried and send civi ships.

Well, based on what was posed. It doesn't look like he ever left... so dead?

Do whatever you feel is appropriate IC.


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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #55 on: March 01, 2012, 03:39:36 PM »
Oooookay. The Zarethians will investigate the missing citizen.
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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #56 on: March 01, 2012, 11:50:44 PM »
I don't think the entire planet was destroyed in a single barrage of missiles. You can make him survive if you want.
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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #57 on: March 06, 2012, 02:19:11 PM »
I have a feeling Jeebus would get his ass over here to settle things :/

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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #58 on: March 06, 2012, 02:41:31 PM »
Here he comes to save the day.
Genuinely I would say this case is not metagaming as while yes he had an OOC reason to do it (THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART) there was also an IC reason. Metagaming would be if something happened purely for an OOC reason with no real IC reason being shown.
Now if you really wish to push that there being an OOC reason is cause for a metagaming call then really we should look over much of the RP and be nulling stuff left right and center because we have all done things IC for OOC reasons before.

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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #59 on: March 06, 2012, 03:30:16 PM »
the main issue I have with Nik is that he didn't present a IC reason or even an arrival section to his post. He just when strait into the attack portion of his post. Personally, unless there is evidence his character was on the planet or have IC knowledge of it before, then his OOC motive is higher than his IC motive. What to me means its metagaming is that just from how he is posting, that he was just rushing to figure out any character that could attack.


He was thinking OOCly that is what makes it metagaming. Instead of thinking about his character, where is character is, what his charter is doing and expressing that, he posted what amounts to an attack only post, without an arrival, adding that later to em is half-baked. Because it started OOCly now if it was an RP OOC reason, which is the kind of reason I think you are talking about Jeebus I'd understand, as in, does this advance the plot, does this action advance the character if it fails this way? Those kind of OOC reasons help develop IC.

However, to me, now matter how much IC there is to back it up the OOC reason to help an OOC friend is unforgivable and does count as metagaming and Nik should not walk away unpunished for such disrespect to Roleplaying as a whole. The fact there there is circumstantial at best IC reasons just makes it worse.


Nik Metagamed, because he tried to help an OOC friend. Period.


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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #60 on: March 06, 2012, 10:55:33 PM »
(THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART) there was also an IC reason.
the main issue I have with Nik is that he didn't present a IC reason or even an arrival section to his post.
Cap, stop saying there isn't a reason IC.

Also, don't call my method's half baked because I did not follow your specific format. And disrespect to roleplaying as a whole? I know I'm supposed to be offended by that statement, but it's so over the top and exaggerated that I'm fighting back laughter.
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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #61 on: March 07, 2012, 04:46:44 AM »
Its not over the top, here is here the thing. The best IC reason you have is that your character who wasn't even there is that they'd want to save the dying puppies... again since you did not establish they were there to begin with, that is meta. Hell, you didn't even foreshaodw it.

Honestly, I find it insulting to my intelligence to call that an IC reason. However, it doesn't matter at all, the important part was that there was MAJOR OOC AT ALL.

It was extremely meta for you to send a character to help a friend OOCly I care not what IC reason you can muster afterwords. This was metagaming plain and simple.

Had your OOC reason had something to actually with the RP, I might understand Jeebus' point. However, your OOC was that you sent a character to help a friend OOCly. That is SERVER METAGAMING to point that is unforgivable. No amount of IC matters for that and yes, to me I do find it disrespectful roleplaying as a whole.
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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #62 on: March 07, 2012, 05:05:03 PM »
You find it insulting to your intelligence to call puppy-saving an IC reason? Let me just say a reason's still a reason, no matter how much you oversimplify it. So don't play that the IC explanation only extends so far as environmentalism.
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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #63 on: March 07, 2012, 05:13:54 PM »
You find it insulting to your intelligence to call puppy-saving an IC reason? Let me just say a reason's still a reason, no matter how much you oversimplify it. So don't play that the IC explanation only extends so far as environmentalism.

When your using it as an excuse to help an OOC friend. Damn strait its insulting. Fact is you admitted you came to this topic in part in part to help Yuki. An  OOC friend. Metagaming. plain and simple, it nothing to do with the RP, nothing to do with the plot, nothing to do with continuity. It had nothing to do with OOC reasons that I find stmachable. You metagamed into a topic to help an OOC friend. Unforgivable SERVERE METAGAMING.


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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #64 on: March 11, 2012, 05:29:36 PM »
Are we done now? :/ Answer: Most likely not

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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #65 on: March 11, 2012, 10:01:07 PM »
Well, the metagaming issue seems to have been decided in my favor, and I'm guessing the sudden jump to character insults for the focal point of an argument will keep it that way.

HOWEVER

That is not the issue of why we have this topic. The real question was if she could have jumped through the small space of the guard's shoulders.
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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #66 on: March 11, 2012, 10:23:29 PM »
Actually no, I have brought up a valid point.


Had the OOC reason had to do with the story or had something to do with keeping nasty plot contradiction from happening, I could understand some OOC reasons.

However, you in part chose to attack with a character to help an OOC friend, in no way is that part of the plot or it is acceptable to say we should start letting people using any IC reason they want to help OOC friends.

METAGAMING, period.


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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #67 on: March 12, 2012, 10:57:00 PM »
It's been settled. We were waiting for Jeebus to come in and be our arbitrator (or mediator, I can't quite remember which one is which) and he's made a decision. Lets settle the task at hand:
That is not the issue of why we have this topic. The real question was if she could have jumped through the small space of the guard's shoulders.
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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #68 on: March 13, 2012, 12:27:50 AM »
It's been settled. We were waiting for Jeebus to come in and be our arbitrator (or mediator, I can't quite remember which one is which) and he's made a decision. Lets settle the task at hand:
That is not the issue of why we have this topic. The real question was if she could have jumped through the small space of the guard's shoulders.


Actually, no. You see, you metagamed by using your character as a tool to help an OOC friend, no amount of IC excuses justify that. It wasn't RP related OOC, it was pure OOC nonsense. You metagamed, and I have made a clear point on that. Mediation not finished.


Also, no, she could not. Unless she is some kind super anorexic supah freak.


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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #69 on: March 13, 2012, 09:58:22 AM »
Actually, no. You see, you metagamed by using your character as a tool to help an OOC friend, no amount of IC excuses justify that. It wasn't RP related OOC, it was pure OOC nonsense. You metagamed, and I have made a clear point on that. Mediation not finished.
I think Nik also forgot to tell you that he needed to use the character anyway. So she wasn't really a tool when I think about it. He just used the invasion as an opportunity for using the character. That being, what I think, one of the reasons why he decided to post there.

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« Reply #70 on: March 13, 2012, 02:38:34 PM »
Actually, no. You see, you metagamed by using your character as a tool to help an OOC friend, no amount of IC excuses justify that. It wasn't RP related OOC, it was pure OOC nonsense. You metagamed, and I have made a clear point on that. Mediation not finished.
I think Nik also forgot to tell you that he needed to use the character anyway. So she wasn't really a tool when I think about it. He just used the invasion as an opportunity for using the character. That being, what I think, one of the reasons why he decided to post there.


Again, the fact that it was to help you, in OOC in part means that no I will never accept it as not metagaming. Period.


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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #71 on: March 13, 2012, 05:26:04 PM »
Again, the fact that it was to help you, in OOC in part means that no I will never accept it as not metagaming. Period.
Here he comes to save the day.
Genuinely I would say this case is not metagaming as while yes he had an OOC reason to do it (THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART) there was also an IC reason. Metagaming would be if something happened purely for an OOC reason with no real IC reason being shown.
Now if you really wish to push that there being an OOC reason is cause for a metagaming call then really we should look over much of the RP and be nulling stuff left right and center because we have all done things IC for OOC reasons before.
Now, anyway, you've been saying the same thing every post for the last five pages, but Jeebus answered it. It's done. You may be able to call it metagamming, but weather it is or not is for the staff to decide, and   of the staff have ruled it not so.

And anyway, how big are the Marid heads?

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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #72 on: March 13, 2012, 05:35:10 PM »
The matter is going to a staff vote apparently.


As far as that goes, no, I am not going to debate with you this. Unless she is some kind of 30 pound anorexic freak, she did not fit over their shoulders, nice try.


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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #73 on: March 13, 2012, 06:02:52 PM »
It's a crucial factor. If they have tiny heads it's a definite no, and if they have big ones it's an undeniable yes.
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Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
« Reply #74 on: March 14, 2012, 05:00:39 AM »
It's a crucial factor. If they have tiny heads it's a definite no, and if they have big ones it's an undeniable yes.

Considering they're Marid. Their heads are as big as they feel like it.


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