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[Queen Bright]

I'm not telling you to re-request because you match me, WTF? I never once said that. I said you were breaking the system. The ingrounded state and powers needs to be approved by either me or Gaser, and the character itself approved by other staff, without anything left out. God, I'm sick of being accused for selfish reasons when getting on peoples case. I have a damn reason for telling people off on this stuuf and it's NOT that.

I don't give a damn if you could match Hikaru in combat. I was giving her as an example of the Ingrounded state and example ONLY, so don't fucking falsely accuse me.

Now, re-request WITH the powers.

[Logan]

I get the powers, but I don't need your approval for my "Ingrounded" Character. He was connected to K2 far before you came up with the concept of Ingrounded.

[K2]

First off, he's right, he and I did talk about this at length. Secondly, he's had this idea since before the Templars and since before we classified existence. I very well think we can work with him to fix the holes and patches, that's our duty as staff is to help the members. That said, Nisorin is mistaken, his character travels outside the Dimensional Plane on a regular basis, not existence. But I don't think leaving existence, or leaving the dimensional plane, is an explanation for the time travel.

As for why you're character can travel through time though, a better explanation would be that the dark void is an anomaly in time itself (only not nearly as extensive), sort of like a copy of the Records of Time, in that it's connected to various parts of the timeline. Which actually makes quite the exciting plot twist.

[Logan]

I misspoken. He can't time travel, though through the magic of the Dark Void he can see a possibilities of time (For example he can see every choice played out. For instance, K2 has to go to the bathroom in public. He could go in the bushes and risk getting caught or hold it in and hope he doesn't wet himself, and I sadly would see bother outcomes to some degree. That was just a nasty horrible example.). When I say he can travel through the time space I mean current time. What I mention about the Void I think to Hawkeye is that the void doesn't have the flow of time because it is outside of normal existence.

The reason why I can travel through so easy is because I'm apart of the void now I guess. That one is hard to explain. The Dark Void was created from the battles of the past I guess, I haven't really worked out the idea of it, but haven't really needed to explain it til now. It is where most of the discharged Magic goes but what is special about this is that it was created from where Atlantis was because of all the Magic that has been used in the past on it. The battles with K2 and Dark Logan are really what created it. That is part of the reason why I'm linked to K2. During that time I was outside of normal existence I learned more magic and embraced the Void's magic. Because of that I can't fight. The magic in the Dark Void is more to be considered to be living to some degree. It has a will of it's own and if my character isn't careful he will be taken control of if his emotions flare out of control. For instance if he were to get mad then he would have more of a chance to lose control. That is why he doesn't battle. This is why he can travel through the time space so easily. It isn't really draining him because it isn't coming from him. The magic and him have a link and that is why he can do it. As for the time bubble. It is possible that I could do that. We move because are molecules allow us. But if I was to slow them down enough with magic it would look as though they have been frozen completely. And that one does drain me. Also another down side too my character is he needs to rest a lot. Meaning he can't spend much time in normal existence and must go back to the void to recharge more or less. That is why he only makes key appearances.

Now I'm sure you are all wondering about the clone. The clone Logan, which is a part of the team on the Destiny's Hope is actually a genetically grown clone using a piece of Logan's own soul but has no link to the original Logan other then a small psychic link that allows him to relay messages to him. The Clone is actually pretty much one of my basic soldiers. In other words just look at Mark's combat and that pretty much is his. I didn't request him because I haven't seen Hawkeye make a request for any of his clones so I figured I didn't need too.

[Queen Bright]

Ugh...

Are we talking about the same Void Empty is from or another Void? If so. WHERE IS THE VOID? You keep saying outside of existence. Is that MATERIAL Existence (The dimensional plane) or Existence as a whole? If it's Existence as a whole I'm calling that out as that would be Ingrounded and not possible. (There's nothing out there not even a void. Hell not even color. It's inconceivable and the characters that manage to get there only see it as their mind wants to see it through memories. So it becomes a mixture of all the lands you've been to.)

If it's VOID like where Empty is from then YES, time encompasses it and it is NOT outside of time and you would not be Ingrounded to go there.

And K2, I don't care if it came after. He's not grandfathered into the Ingrounded system as that is so powerful it NEEDS to be requested or have a reason to be. And him? This is the freakin' guy that put rips into the RP and caused us a few years of having to fix everything. It's the guy that made the RP SOLELY ABOUT HIS CHARACTERS and centered it all around his empire, his characters, his ego that's almost as bad as Orph's. So NO, given that history he has not proven himself to have an Ingrounded Character grandfathered in.

Seeing the possibilities of time is impossible as there are infinite possibilities, your character would be overloaded to try to see them all.


...Also who said the Records of Time is connected to various parts of the timeline?I never did. It IS TIME put into physical form other than Asura herself. It can be any form, hell she could make it one book. But as Archives and Libraries are more common for history and give one the chance to see and read, she puts it into the figurative Archive form.

[K2]

I'm sure he hasn't the foggiest who Empty is, or what is void is.

That said, let's suggest ways to make this character work without being Ingrounded.

[Logan]

So if your decision is based on the past then what good are you towards my character? You are going to disapprove it no matter what cause you are so set in the past. My character isn't ingrounded so get over it. Deal with it in fact. My character is the way he is. He isn't important other than the warning. The clone is more important than he is. That is why he has more power than the clone. I have no desire to do rips or making myself the center of the universe. Actually as I told Nisorin when I was explaining my character to him a few weeks ago that his reason is more of a side story. Not even that important. K2 said that he'll play along with it and that is why I made it. But it is clear that you are going to let the past get in the way of moving on.

Actually why do I have too prove myself for a system I been using longer than you? I'm sorry but if you want proof I already have 2 topics using the actual Logan you can look at. The Dark Warning would be the best one too start.

[Queen Bright]

If he goes outside of real existence he's Ingrounded, there's nothing else that can go outside of existence. Again it does NOT matter whether he is important or not, the fact he has the power of an ingrounded means he has to be approved myself personally for the Ingrounded state adn the rest of the staff for the other powers.

And prove that he's been able to go outside of existence longer than the system has been up. I've not ONCE seen a topic about that. And I have the 3rd season GE logs, not in them. You may have used Logan in topics but not with him outside of Existence.

Yet again, re-request.

[Logan]

Just read the character request post, and perhaps that will shed a little light on how I'm out of existence.

[Queen Bright]

No. Without Ingrounded powers you can't be out of Existence as that is the main point of the Ingrounded state not being tied to existence and existing and not existing at the same time. Unless you are Ingrounded you CANNOT be outside of Existence.

[Logan]

Actually you are right. I'm not out of existence. I'm simply in another realm of existence in. Not totally outside of existence but not on the normal realm.

blackhawkfury221: Not if I use sleeping gas on them.
  And AM fluid.
 me: You also aren't thinking about the fact that Logan is in an another realm.
  One that you can't go too.

I forgotten all about that. I always assumed I meant I was outside of existence but if I'm in another realm I'm still inside existence and yet at the same time not. I have no reason to be ingrounded from your point of view.

[Queen Bright]

Then you're outside of the Dimensional Plane. But because time is in Existence you're not outside of Time.

[Logan]

I never said I was. In the dark void the magic has no sense of time. Thus time doesn't work right there because it isn't actually a realm of within the creation of time. (Or something like that. I'm putting down my thoughts.) It isn't an exception but at the same time it is. You see time would have no meaning in the realm, but that doesn't mean that while I'm their time stops. Time would continue outside of the realm. This is how it wouldn't be an exception. But at the same time the realm itself would have time thus it is an exception. So in some ways it is pretty much a paradox of a paradox or some kind of reference like that. This would end our argument because now I won't have any reason to be ingrounded to your standards, and I am in no mood to continue fighting so leave it at that.

[Queen Bright]

Umm.. I have a lot wrong with that but you'll have to discuss it with Jeebus.

I may have Asura Embodiment of Time but I've left him as the authority on all things time.