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Re: Staff, Reforms, and Mass Bitching
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2012, 10:29:04 PM »
Yelling gets you nowhere really.

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Re: Staff, Reforms, and Mass Bitching
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2012, 11:07:26 PM »
Actually I've told people to either IM, PM or catch me on IRC if I don't catch it. I just don't like when Hawkeye does it because he SPAMS my IMs with nothing but SP.

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Re: Staff, Reforms, and Mass Bitching
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2012, 12:24:38 AM »
Look. You as members need to realize and respect our reasons for being inactive. We can't be here 24/7. Additionally, problems with staff will be dealt with by staff. We all know what goes on, and we try to fix it. It doesnt help if we have members bitching to us left and right.

We understand you can't be on 24/7. But we have requests that have been waiting MONTHS. We should not have to remind you guys about damn near every request. And yes, numerous members have seen you guys online and not going anywhere near the request area. Stop blaming us for your own mistakes.

Staff problems are not just staff problems. Any problems that affect the staff affect the board as a whole. YOU need you realize and respect our desires to be clued in on what's going on with the board WE are absolutely integral towards the survival of. We all have a LOT of time and creativity invested in this board, we deserve to know what's going on. So yes, while it is the Staff's job to solve the problems, it's also the Staff's job to keep people informed, a task you guys have been failing horribly at.
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Re: Staff, Reforms, and Mass Bitching
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2012, 10:49:47 AM »
Last time I checked I still decide what Destruction is or isn't; it's goals, ideals, and actions belong to me.

USED to be long to you. You left and forfeit all your rights to it, remember?
I have to ask. Where did you see this rule? I'm thinking about taking the Atama and Akida plot on to another RP too and see how they do compared too us.

Also Chase and Hikaru, think of your selves as the president of this board. Of our Country. That is the job you guys are doing. And if you seen Obama he doesn't sit there and tell us every bit of detail but him and the others tell us what needs to be heard. The idea of Orph being made into a mod shouldn't be public beyond you guys are considering it. The idea of changing the request system should be made public though for this will affect us all. Now do you get what we are saying?

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Re: Staff, Reforms, and Mass Bitching
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2012, 01:25:28 PM »
I have to ask. Where did you see this rule? I'm thinking about taking the Atama and Akida plot on to another RP too and see how they do compared too us.

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Re: Staff, Reforms, and Mass Bitching
« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2012, 01:29:32 PM »
Thanks. That will help a lot knowing.

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Re: Staff, Reforms, and Mass Bitching
« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2012, 03:19:59 PM »
Zai you're taking the rule out of hand... It's to prevent people that pull their stuff when they decide to 'quit' and hold it hostage as copyrighted material to sue the board and make staff remove it. Thus forcing staff to either rewrite a shit load or let the RP collapse without the person and their 'property' (posts, characters, story) ...Yes even I'm guilty of attempting that. Like where I said if I got de-staffed I'd leave and take my stuff with me in the past.

I don't think it means that you can't have your stuff on other boards or stories, or such. The only conflict that would arise is when we do the anime and Hell, that's years and years off, especially for SPs part of the Anime. You don't need to hold back due that rule.
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« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2012, 03:30:03 PM »
I realize that, but the chances of something official being publish from SP is not zero. That, and I've been putting thought into getting some stuff published myself. It wouldn't look too great on me if it was found out that the same thing was owned by SP long before the book was actually put out.

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« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2012, 05:34:42 PM »
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Re: Staff, Reforms, and Mass Bitching
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Re: Staff, Reforms, and Mass Bitching
« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2012, 09:27:50 PM »
Here's a perfect example as to where reforms lead us when led by Logan.

http://shatteredplanes.com/galacticempiress3/index.php?showforum=565

...Now do you really want to follow him? When he's the one that shut down a whole board just because a planet was destroyed when he didn't want it to be destroyed AND made the whole RP about him and his characters and no one else?

He talks big, but he's really no better.
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Re: Staff, Reforms, and Mass Bitching
« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2012, 10:00:40 PM »
Hik, I really hate to say it, but you DID shut down the site. And for a reason arguably more ridiculous than his apparent reason. And not long ago, a lot of the members did feel the plot was entirely centered on the Staff's characters alone(this is changing, yes, which is a good thing, but I do not think its all the way there, as yet).
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Re: Staff, Reforms, and Mass Bitching
« Reply #37 on: April 24, 2012, 10:55:18 PM »
Hikaru you've given us no real reason to trust that you won't simply shut down the board if we do something you don't like. You have done it several times before. And no, this isn't following Logan, this is following me. I am the one who asked Logan to help me round people up.
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« Reply #38 on: April 24, 2012, 11:32:43 PM »
That wasn't my point. My point was that you're all going to sit here and listen to Logan and let him lead rallying when he's just as bad if not worse.

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« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2012, 11:19:22 AM »
Your right I did shut down the board, why? Because where getting those spam bots:
http://shatteredplanes.com/galacticempiress3/index.php?showtopic=3463

You've shut the board down simply cause you lost an argument. I see the difference!

There are a bunch of topics like it. Also I may have not been the best leader back then, I had faults but that was four years ago and the difference is, not only have I've changed, but that was also the board I made myself. How I run the board may not been the best but it still lasted longer then where this board is head. How much have you changed Hikaru? Still shutting things down when they don't go there way, self centered as always, and my favorite is hotheaded. You haven't changed at all. If we do get reforms and we convince you to change, I give it a week before you go back to your old ways. In fact I'm daring you to change. Prove me wrong not because you want to, because you hate me.

Lets go over the things I did right: I let the members know what was going on to the best of what I knew. I kept on top of requests. I tried my best to create systems that would be for the good of everyone. Not just my own characters. The systems I in fact added were for everyone too use, not just those with my permissions. I also up until the end tried my best to help everyone and didn't just pay attention to my own topics or the topics of the people who I hated.

I'm not asking anyone to put me as an admin, I may have asked for mod in the past (I'm a good mod might I add) but what I'm doing is having the members unite under the interest of change. It is actually kind of sad that the only reason you released the archives is so you can dump them all over me. Yet the funny thing is, everyone who is with me on the subject knows what happened. They know all about that already. So perhaps if they did actually follow me it is because I'm right. As I said to someone else I made my mistakes, I know that. I accept that they were personal failures on my part but that doesn't mean that I'm the same as I was four years ago when I was a sophomore in high school.

Here is a great example why they follow the cause (Sounds like a cult to me. O.O):
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Re: Staff, Reforms, and Mass Bitching
« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2012, 12:43:47 PM »
Your right I did shut down the board, why? Because where getting those spam bots:
http://shatteredplanes.com/galacticempiress3/index.php?showtopic=3463
There's this thing called "Blcoking registration" Or "must be approved by admin only". SP does it to prevent that :/

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« Reply #41 on: April 25, 2012, 12:45:33 PM »
Your right I did shut down the board, why? Because where getting those spam bots:
http://shatteredplanes.com/galacticempiress3/index.php?showtopic=3463
There's this thing called "Blcoking registration" Or "must be approved by admin only". SP does it to prevent that :/

Yeah, but at the time the members weren't even coming on anyways. I have already said I have made my mistakes. What happens on another board isn't going to effect this one, or change it. If we want change we will have to focus on this one at hand.

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« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2012, 08:10:46 PM »
Here's a perfect example as to where reforms lead us when led by Logan.

http://shatteredplanes.com/galacticempiress3/index.php?showforum=565

...Now do you really want to follow him? When he's the one that shut down a whole board just because a planet was destroyed when he didn't want it to be destroyed AND made the whole RP about him and his characters and no one else?

He talks big, but he's really no better.
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Falacy: Personal attack- the entire post attacks Logan rather than addressing the issue. Wouldn't that be considered flaming?
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« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2012, 10:12:40 PM »
Here's a perfect example as to where reforms lead us when led by Logan.

http://shatteredplanes.com/galacticempiress3/index.php?showforum=565

...Now do you really want to follow him? When he's the one that shut down a whole board just because a planet was destroyed when he didn't want it to be destroyed AND made the whole RP about him and his characters and no one else?

He talks big, but he's really no better.
http://shatteredplanes.com/galacticempiress3/index.php?showtopic=3431&view=findpost&p=13182
At least I won't shut the whole thing down if I'm staffed. It's not my right to anyways. Jeebus is head.

Falacy: Personal attack- the entire post attacks Logan rather than addressing the issue. Wouldn't that be considered flaming?

No, its only when blatant uncalled for insults are thrown out with any respect or logic in the post.
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Re: Staff, Reforms, and Mass Bitching
« Reply #44 on: April 26, 2012, 02:01:16 PM »
It's still near enough to be disrespectful and useless towards the current argument. Besides, as I said before, I am the one who called for this reform with my ATTN: Administrators thread, I asked Logan for his support in gathering other like-minded members.
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« Reply #45 on: April 26, 2012, 04:54:02 PM »
This post I worked on last night on the problems I see. If others have things they want to add they are free too.

Nik, let her be. She may be personally attacking me but most of this debate on needing reforms as had someone personally attack her. I don't blame her for attacking someone personally. She even brought up good points. But her attacks were petty. What she needs to understand out of the 17 ACTIVE users 11 of us are for reforms. 2, Jeebus and Hiro, of us are leaning towards reform but also understand their are other problems in place of this, or have other reasons or intentions. While 2 more, Hikaru and Chase, are leading against the reforms. And finally the last 2, K2 and Cap, hasn't really said anything on this because they haven't been on. But K2 was pushing towards reforms last I heard.  In the end the whole member base has begun to rally in order to push for reforms. You can try to stonewall this all you want Hikaru but there is 11 of us who wants reform, and if we don't have it we can just as easily go some where else and tell everyone about why we left here. Do you think the site would function real well with just a total of 5 people, all who are staff? Thats what you are doing right now, pushing the members away.

You guys (The staff) are like the senate. You discuss things in private but we should also know what the hell you are voting on when it effects us as a whole. I don't think the member base should be kept in the dark like this. Jeebus has shown he is willing to keep us inform in his doings. If you truly want us to trust you as members and in the end respect you Hikaru, you have to trust and respect us first. It's that plain and simple.

This is a point toward Hikaru personally. It has been expressed by a few other people: I'm getting pretty sick of all this your way is the only right way and we are members and we don't know anything crap. I'm also getting sick of you being so active but all you do towards the requests is stonewall people who you don't like but don't bother accepting anything else. I have quiet a few characters, along with Kota, and who ever else where you have just dropped in and tried to completely stonewall us simply because you don't like us. And don't say it isn't true because we all know it is. Hell I think even Jeebus and K2 know it. Some of those characters we put time in molding and you come along and sit there and pick apart little details so it can get denied.

Another big problem is the inactive staff. While Hikaru is always on to deny her enemies things, all the other staff are only on once in a while. Then they use an excuse for why they haven't done requests because they are busy with other staff duties, yet the staff characters seem to get approved faster. Lets look at some of mine. I begged and begged for approval and maybe got some 3 to 6 weeks later after that message when I begged, unless I annoyed someone in the process. One of K2's character sat there for a while, was approved for number one by you. Sat there for quiet a while then I asked Chase if he would approve it and he did like within 5 minutes of getting my message. See a problem? If your guys staff duties take up too much time hand them down. You can just as easily hand the requests down to members who understand things, like mine and Orph understand of Technology would be a great help but none of you accept it. Right now I think Swift is doing a better job at keeping up with requests, and she isn't a staff and no offense swift it does kind of get on some of our nerves (Not mentioning who though cause you could probably guess yourself.). In the end I understand most staff has a life. That is great, but perhaps you should put a little more time into actually looking through and approving requests then your own personal topics. It is pretty sad that I understand that if I want to do a plot that involves characters, that I need to request those characters three months in advance at least.

Here is another big problem. This is an RP forum, yet none of us really RPs, have any staff members ever stop to figure out why? Hikaru you like to bring up the past so lets look at another board almost everyone here knew. CLTCG. It was a trading card game, but one day everyone stopped playing. Every now and then their would be a few games played but in the end the board became a chat site, then it was shut down. That is the direction this is board is heading unless some intervention happens. I don't know the reason why no one is doing anything IC, I haven't asked, but it isn't my job too either.

You talked about how self centered I was on GE, and I would like to say though things are changing her this whole story that we all uses is full of self centered plots. The Sage 3 is written all over this place. We all know who you guys are because you are like the big cheese. The only time I see anyone (normally) involved in your plots is because either someone butted in or you are allowing them in. Unless I'm mistaken (And I could be but Kota off board statement is backing this idea up) The events don't even matter really. Everyone who played Mass Effect 3 are pissed because their choices didn't matter in the end. I'm pissed because the events have no effect on the outside worlds. The excel tournament, other than making someone super powerful in the end what effects will it have on anywhere else? I don't see Luna City effected by it. It isn't that far away from the K City either.

Back to Character Requests problems. We are only allowed one Embodiment, which that is fine I understand that but lets look at you Hikaru, how many do you have? I know you have Time and Destruction. That is for sure. What about the rest of the staff? I don't understand what gave you the right to take on this second embodiment when we are only allowed one.

My favorite problem. No staff reaction. Part of being a professional staff is actually doing what needs to be done to solve problems. There has been problems in the past that has either been left un-dealt with or with no punishment. Hikaru's message to Hawkeye was answered with, "I'll have a long chat with her about this." from K2, he may have talked to her but I don't really think it was the most appropriate action. He should have in my opinion had her stay away from the board a week if he didn't want to really take a vote on de-admining her or something. Just talking about it changes nothing. Another thing is we have been fighting that there needs to be reforms for at least 4 of this topic pages, this topic is one giant important staging ground and yet the staff has all read and posted in this topic yet none of them have done anything to start reforms, I mean you don't have to jump in but you could at least start an open debate on what needs to be changed.

Lets move along to another IC problem, in fact this may be why no one is doing anything IC. It's dull. It is pretty much the same stuff different planet. The K Empire sits there smug with a sense of feeling supreme to other groups, Hikaru wanders about for some reason with the occasion of actually doing something, Hawkeye's races get wiped out, and then constant power struggles every now and then. Add dialog and that pretty much could sum up SP's story. Don't get me wrong, every now and then we have a great plot idea that goes through. And some that people pass up because of those who came up with the idea. None of the plots really have an effect as I said before. Unless someone dies I don't really pay attention. Sure I'm missing out on important information but whats the point of reading it when in the end I know how it will probably go. I like playing but I don't over post myself because once my ideas run out I'll be sitting on my hands wondering what I'm going to do next.

And finally the grand finale of this long post. Your admin position. You are so scared of losing power, which you should be, but what you never stopped and thought about is Nisorin has not once said he wants you gone. Nisorin is like the head guy for the reforms on our end. I'm just the person rallying the people to support him. Despite all the problems with you being in power Nisorin wants to give you the chance to more than likely fail unless you can change. A majority of the members think that you shouldn't be admin and that in the end you should sell the domain to Jeebus for the sake of the board, I strongly agree with them. But Nisorin has stated, this idea of reform, isn't a war against you. We aren't all doing this because of you. Some of us actually see a problem with how things are going and want it to be changed. Though some of us see you are a problem, you are more than likely going to be keeping your admin position unless you pull the same shit you have before. I'm not above kicking your ass to the curve myself, but I also am willing to give you a fifth or sixth chance if you are willing to change what you are doing. We are people Hikaru, we don't respond well to threats, shutting the board down, or being a total ass too us. If you can understand this above any of the other things that would be great. Once we can all sit down like mature adults and civilized people we can make this forum something great!

And as another response to Hikaru's personal attack on me. Go ahead and attack me all you want. I might get a little mad, but if you are expecting me to blow up like I would have done in the past you are sadly mistaken. Part of being mature is understanding that in the true reality, people are going to say things to bait you, but how you react will define if you can take control of the situation. You are no longer dealing with some bad tempered kid. You are now dealing with a more mature adult. Which is probably what will be the deciding factor in the end to uniting more people too our cause. As too the staff. Let her flame me, try to bait me, and attack me all she wants. I'm not going to turn this into a flame war. I'm mature enough too accept this. But all it does for her in the end is prove that her judgment is still clouded by the gaserlake incident or that she isn't really mature enough to handle being on the staff. I hoping she will in turn just accept the fact we are all suppose to be adults, or at least not elementary students, and that it would be more productive if we have a true reform debate as some.

And also know this Hikaru, in the past I've been a nice as I could possibly be to someone who doesn't even remotely see me as a human or respect me. There is no reason to drag what has happened else where on to here. Those problems from the older board were from the older board. They are old. If you like I can ask Comex and whats his name from that forum that had the code lyoko episodes at one point (can't remember what it is called) and have them draw a list of all the stuff you have done in the past. I'm pretty sure your list is way the hell longer than mine. :/

In the mean time, lets all cool down and try to collect our thoughts a bit, for those members who are the rally for reform (LOL funny how I can pop out random names for us.) keep thinking of other things that should be addressed and post them in our main area so we can see them and debate them before bringing them before the staff.

I would also like to apologize for the staff, for example like Jeebus, where some of these points don't apply to him and some may be the same for others. I just think if there is a problem with one of you then there is a problem with all. You guys are a team, and no one on your team is going to get off the hook simply because they try to help the members.

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Re: Staff, Reforms, and Mass Bitching
« Reply #46 on: April 26, 2012, 05:15:32 PM »
You know what Logan, go ahead, I don't care, LEAVE.
(Only read paragraph one of your post by the way.)

As far as I'm concerned SP isn't about the members it's about the story. Re-reading the OK archives shows that, it's ALWAYS been about the story! From the OK to GE, and now to SP. It doesn't matter who fucking staffs it, or who fucking RPs it. You leave, we get more. You go somewhere? You can't take the story with you like you tried so many times back with the OK, so who the hell cares?

As long as the BIG players of the story stick around, the site will continue. That includes, K2, Me, Jeebus because he ICly made himself important, Cap for the same reason. Lyoko also. Orph USED to be important but not so much anymore, same with Nisorin. Zak and Hiro usually stick around their own races and don't really make themselves all that ingrained and completely needed to the plot even if they own a lot of territory. Hawkeye? Well he'll never leave, that's obvious.

So go ahead, make clear on your threat, go somewhere else. I'm calling your fucking bluff.

And if you go and try to make another clone? Well, as Kai once said, http://shatteredplanes.com/cltcgopposingkingdoms2/index.php?showtopic=18272&view=findpost&p=1811145

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Re: Staff, Reforms, and Mass Bitching
« Reply #47 on: April 26, 2012, 05:25:44 PM »
Hik...Please read his full post. He makes plenty of good points that should be addressed, and only that first paragraph has anything to do with leaving as I recall. As for getting more members, that...Is a very, very, very rare occurrence, in my experience. Just saying...We might not be able to bulk up the site before it finally dies down. The site will not continue even if the 'big players' stick around if everyone loses interest, which given the state of the IC sections, is really kinda happening.
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Re: Staff, Reforms, and Mass Bitching
« Reply #48 on: April 26, 2012, 05:38:18 PM »
Hik, you can try to make your story all you want but if you don't have any members who want to paticipate, you don't have an active, healthy site. Right now, you're simply showing that you're being irrational. Like Hiro said, please read Logan's full post, he seems to be trying very hard to find a compromise for all parties that solves the problems of the site.
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Re: Staff, Reforms, and Mass Bitching
« Reply #49 on: April 26, 2012, 05:42:23 PM »
I reckon Logan made a tonne of good points. One big one that resonated with me is the importance of an integrated community. Sure, staff are important, but without the members, who will you oversee? More importantly, what fun would it be with just 5 staffsmen writing on the site? Things would get stale rather quickly, I reckon.

This is an important step for the future of the site. Unless this "reform" thing is fair dinkum, things'll just stay the same, and maybe, just maybe, the site would actually die.