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Re: Seriously?
« Reply #50 on: May 01, 2013, 11:42:07 AM »
It'd help a lot if staff got their fucking stories and priorities straight on WTF they ban people for. Instead of making up a stupid reason that isn't even liable or true, banning on basis of that. Changing the ban to something longer due to offline or offsite reasons. Changing the ban yet again when confronted for both reasons, and then just not doing anything at all afterwards.

Misscommunicating with one another to who even is in control of the ban. And telling the user to wait it out (without a time limit) and shut up about it for the time being, in other words stalling and going in circles just because they have no reason TO ban and lost what was going on themselves.

YEAH this helps site activity and faith in staff a lot. Definitely. Bans for no reasons, stalling, misscommunication, and butting into real life affairs. Because people totally love to be led in circles. I would definitely want a staff like that on other sites I visit, yep.

Fucking messed up.
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Re: Seriously?
« Reply #51 on: May 01, 2013, 12:33:08 PM »
This is true. Hiro and Jeebus don't know what's going on, anymore, K2 doesn't what to do, and Dan says that this isn't up to him. Total miscommunication within the staff, and I thought it was just between the staff and the members. The reason for the ban has been inconsistent. One staff member says this; one staff member says that.

What's also true is that it's wrong to ban Hikaru for self-harm. Yes, that is one reason why she's banned, if that's still the current reason. Hikaru has done self-harm for being banned. Continuing something that has already been caused by what's already happened is not a good thing. What I'm saying is, increasing Hikaru's ban for self-harm, while the ban is the cause of Hikaru's self-harm, is illogical and immoral, as it is likely to increase Hikaru's self-harm, which defeats the purpose of trying to keep her from harming herself.
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Re: Seriously?
« Reply #52 on: May 01, 2013, 01:56:24 PM »
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« Reply #53 on: May 01, 2013, 08:23:20 PM »
Well allow me to play Devil's advocate for a seconds here guys.

I understand to a point why the staff decided on a ban for Hikaru based on threats of self-harm. From a psychological point of view, this site and the RP contained within it have negative effects on her. Same thing with getting out of a bad relationship, many of the partners want to commit suicide or self-harm, and it is generally deemed better to find closure rather than prolong it. This RP isnt gong to be around forever, i can say that for certain. Although engraved in digital code, forever on the internet, the RP itself will eventually die.

The point im getting at is that this site has such negative effects on her, similar to just about any addiction, it is better to remove what they are addicted to, albeit not always cold-turkey. I know this because i have a similar addiction to this website, although not nearly as large of one. I can let the site go if need be.

Secondly, if she did prove that she would and could cause harmful effects to the site's infrastructure, then the staff do have every right to ban or do what ever is necessary.

However, that is where my support for the staff ends. Banning someone based upon non-site related issues is unethical, and an abuse of power. Im not implicating the staff in doing that, but Hikaru has a point about it. The staff also do have the right to ban for starting drama, BUT do have strict, lain out guidelines for such punishments. Guidelines which the have not followed, and which i was bitched at when followed.

The staff claiming that they dont know what is going on is a fucking cop-out. Seriously. In any unit, or group of organization, the leader or leaders are responsible for anything the unit does, or fails to do. The unit's performance is a direct reflection upon its leadership. Leaders are responsible to know what is going on in the very group they are leading. With a site that hasnt ever broken more then 15 active members, i cant see where this is hard to do when ~33% of them are staff. They should know, and if they dont, then that is also a direct reflection upon their leadership abilities.

Simple point: Get to knowing, or let your failure consume you. Your choice.

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Re: Seriously?
« Reply #54 on: May 01, 2013, 11:44:23 PM »
In a democracy, which this site should be, the people, in this case, the members, should have the right to alter or abolish the government, in this case, the staff, if the government is destructive toward unalienable rights, which is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, which, in this case, is including, but not limited to, protection from unfair banning. In other words, the members should be able to make changes to the staff's system, if there's reasonable cause for it. In this case, there are. Actions and behavior of arrogance. Miscommunication. Unfair banning, including an invalid reason for the banning, and the lack of staff discussion on the banning, which called for a discussion, due to how the situation, which the ban took place in, was complicated.

Let's get this straight. These are my proposals: Staff is required to be active at least once everyday. This should not be too much for those who are dedicated. If you aren't that active, be active. If you can't, then step down. One special reason for this, is because the site is dying, and it needs special attention to stay alive.

For communication, staff should let each other know everything that's going on with the site, except for things that's acceptable to be hidden, such as IC plots, and OOC plans for IC activity. If it's not affecting the site, then it should not be officially addressed by the staff. Sure, staff can chit-chat on things that are irrelevant to the site, but not when it comes to business. This is what the staff chat is for.

For important events that require staff attention, such as actions that deserve punishment, immediate action should only take place if time is of the essence. Meaning, if someone is spamming the fuck out of the site with posts, then yes, a suspension is appropriate, as the sooner the suspension, the less spam, the better. If it's something that is simple, such as the example of someone spamming the site, or something like a character request, then immediate action can take place. If it's a complicated matter, such as a flame war between two or more people, that's when things become complicated, hence the matter being complicated. It would be in the middle. Some actions can be immediate, while other actions cannot, until staff has decided on what to do. For example, there's a flame war between two or more people. It's acceptable for official warnings, or even posting restrictions, to take place. Suspensions, on the other hand, need staff decision to be executed.

Respect. Yes, that's a big one, too. Staff should always respect members, as if the staff are just ordinary members. This would be the best way for the staff to try to be in the lesser people's shoes, as mutual understanding can take place. In order for staff to gain respect from members, they need to show respect. Yes, it goes both ways, but it works doubly for the staff, as the staff have special privileges and responsibilities that lesser people do not have. Admins have the special ability to permanently ban members, so they have the special responsibility to stay cool, not let their emotions get the better of them, and respect the members. Staff that do not show respect for members should be reported, as members should be worried for their membership on this website, if that would be the case.

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Re: Seriously?
« Reply #55 on: May 02, 2013, 12:51:33 AM »
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand back to devil's advocate.

Gaser, unfortunately due to the..... special nature of our memberbase, logical and fair real life concepts of organization apparently dont work on this site. That is why the staff make the decisions. Also, being active EVERY day is an unrealistic expectation for anybody who has a life and is a productive member of society.

The method of organization we have on this site seems to be the closest thing to good as we can hope for.
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Re: Seriously?
« Reply #56 on: May 02, 2013, 01:32:37 AM »
Also, being active EVERY day is an unrealistic expectation for anybody who has a life and is a productive member of society.

I think, as you said, due to the special nature of your member base, you shouldn't have a problem fulfilling this expectation. Well, the first part, anyway.

To be honest I think he is right, considering the size of the member base, staff shouldn't need to be active every day. The fact they might need to be active every day anyway is more of a testament to the poor attitude of the community than it is the requirement for staff members. In my opinion of course.
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Re: Seriously?
« Reply #57 on: May 02, 2013, 01:53:10 AM »
Also, being active EVERY day is an unrealistic expectation for anybody who has a life and is a productive member of society.

I think, as you said, due to the special nature of your member base, you shouldn't have a problem fulfilling this expectation.

Im not sure what thats supposed to mean, but im one of the few people on this forum who has a real job and career. The only people who can meet this expectation indefinitely are people who do nothing with themselves everyday. So, yes. It IS an unrealistic expectation to be active every single day. The extent of my "activity" on this website on a daily basis is my loading up SP on my phone, checking recent posts, then closing it if there are none. That is not activity.
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Re: Seriously?
« Reply #58 on: May 02, 2013, 02:03:46 AM »
I have a life, yet I'm on here everyday. I go to college, go to a club there, and I'm planning to be in student government of that college. I'm starting to look for a job, and I'm starting to look for a place to live away from my family. I'm learning kung fu, and I go to a chess club. I also hang out with my friends on a weekly basis. After all of this, I still have plenty of time to be on the computer. PLENTY of time. Of course, I would have considerably less time on the computer after I get a job, but I would still have AT LEAST an hour to check on SP.

I meant 'activity' as in, staff checking up on SP, seeing how things are doing, and responding to things. Important things, of course.

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« Reply #59 on: May 02, 2013, 02:14:39 AM »
Calm down Mr. Defensive. The 'you' was directed at this forum as a whole, as I'm sure most people on it have plenty of time to be on the internet and muck about & such. And if you read one more sentence on you'd see that I was agreeing with you.

Also, completely unrelated, Hitoper, would you like to play chess sometime?
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Re: Seriously?
« Reply #60 on: May 02, 2013, 02:21:26 AM »
I understand that you're agreeing with me. I was responding to Lyoko's post.

And sure. I'd like to play some chess.

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Re: Seriously?
« Reply #61 on: May 02, 2013, 02:46:12 AM »
Calm down Mr. Defensive. The 'you' was directed at this forum as a whole, as I'm sure most people on it have plenty of time to be on the internet and muck about & such. And if you read one more sentence on you'd see that I was agreeing with you.

Sorry. It just seemed like you were implying something else.
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"Living in the past is a luxury none of us can afford. We must learn from it, but we cannot live there. It is impossible to plan for the [now]--the present is ever fleeting. [The future] is where we must live--[the future] is what we must plan for. "   -Unknown

"What do you call a cross between a mule, a hornet and a badger? A hikaru." - Hawkeye

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Re: Seriously?
« Reply #62 on: May 02, 2013, 02:50:47 AM »
Oh, wait. Nevermind, lol. Disregard the first paragraph of my previous post. I thought Emily's first paragraph of her last post was directed towards me.
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Re: Seriously?
« Reply #63 on: May 02, 2013, 01:22:33 PM »
WAT
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ARE YOU TALKKINNGG ABOOUUTT