Shattered Planes Archives (Seasons 4 & 5)
The Board => Archive => Void => Topic started by: UnStellar on January 21, 2010, 07:28:35 PM
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Mr. Miyagi, teach me how to fight.
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To my knowledge, only Orpheus and K2323 are qualified to teach this course, so either have K2 start you off, or you're kinda stuck waiting for Orph to get back.
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Whatever works, I'll take whatever I can get.
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I'll sub for Orph till he can get back.
Let's say you're starting a battle, for some reason. You have a fair amount of knowledge of how this RP works, so I will use a relative example:
The Bloodah Empire is attacking the planet of Veita, a heavily defended, technologically advanced planet home to an Alliance of empires throughout the galaxy. This alliance is composed of the best empires throughout the entire galaxy. The tech is superb, the military strategy is genius. You've got only a few ships compared to their massive fleet. What is the first element of battle you need to succeed, you being the Bloodah Empire, in the taking of this planet?
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(I'm sorry, I never played Cozmic empires. But I'll answer the question anyway.)
I think a key element to the battle would be sabotage and preparation. If it were me, I'd send special forces in before hand very discreetly to disable defenses and cause a little bit of chaos immediately before striking a key part of their defenses with everything I had. The element of surprise would be a great aid.
Once the hole had been punched through I'd try to get my troops on the ground. Elite troops, not grunts, try to establish a foot hold so the grunts can follow. I'd tell them to use guerilla warfare and use the urban environment to their advantage before dropping some armored support.
I would avoid space battle because their fleet could obviously overpower my own and try to get the planet taken as soon as possible.
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For some reason I thought you were Hiro. Anyway, I suppose we should wait for Orph to come back, he seems to have a specific lesson plan for you.
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OK.
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Continue with this lesson K2, I'll continue with Nisorin's.
I ARE LAZY TEACHER
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(I'm sorry, I never played Cozmic empires. But I'll answer the question anyway.)
I think a key element to the battle would be sabotage and preparation. If it were me, I'd send special forces in before hand very discreetly to disable defenses and cause a little bit of chaos immediately before striking a key part of their defenses with everything I had. The element of surprise would be a great aid.
Once the hole had been punched through I'd try to get my troops on the ground. Elite troops, not grunts, try to establish a foot hold so the grunts can follow. I'd tell them to use guerilla warfare and use the urban environment to their advantage before dropping some armored support.
I would avoid space battle because their fleet could obviously overpower my own and try to get the planet taken as soon as possible.
That's good, but you're overlooking factors. Your small fleet would be overrun pretty quickly, and that would leave your troops stranded on the ground with no way of getting home and no backup. Try the scenario again in a way that would not get your ships caught up.
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Can you give me a quick little briefing on the Bloodah Empire?
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Can you give me a quick little briefing on the Bloodah Empire?
The Bloodah Empire is basically a united group of rebels who were a slave population for some other, rich empire. When the slaves broke away from the planet, they formed the Bloodah Empire and killed their masters, taking everything they owned - which wasn't much. They have a lot of crops, but limited weapons.
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Well, than the obvious answer is to not attack. Crops and strong wills aren't enough to break a force that strong. You have to know when it's hopeless.
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Sometimes, not attacking is not an option, but let's use this scenario; The reason you're attacking Veita is because they want to steal your crops.
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Alright, then for this battle, clearly, careful planning is key. If I possess that knowledge it is obvious I am keeping a close eye on them and thus have a somewhat experienced band of spies. If I knew they were coming to my planet/base to steal my supplies, and I knew they were wise and powerful, my greatest weapon would be surprise. Possessing knowledge they do not know I have is a very strong advantage. I would try my hardest to not alert the Alliance, but carefully assemble forces discreetly close to their base. I would take great care to carefully move some crops off-planet to other facilities. I wouldn't move it all because I know that would tip-off the alliance.
This maneuver relies on the idea that the Alliance will take my men seriously and not underestimate them. When they send their forces, which will hopefully be substantial because they won't underestimate me, and go to my base, I would immediately launch a surprise attack when their forces are half-way to my base or more and there-fore cannot get back to base very quickly.
I would stick with my earlier strategy of taking the ground first. Using all guerilla ground forces at my disposal and using quick landing crafts to get them on surface, I would immediately try to take over their defense grid, or at least a section of it. Striking hard and fast with the element of surprise, I would try to take their defense grid from them. If this manuever was a success, I would land all ground forces as well as my space fleet in this section. With their defense grid I'd be using their own weapons against any craft that tries to land behind me as well as their fleet that is inevitably returning from the siege of my base, who have heard about to attack.
With this strong foot hold I would continue the tactic, block by block, section by section, until I could control the whole planet. Of course, the desired goal would be to control it BEFORE their fleet comes back, but that is an unlikely scenario.
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Alright, then for this battle, clearly, careful planning is key.
This.
Strategy (and in turn, planning) is the primary key you need to successfully win a battle. You obviously are a great strategist and that will get you far in a battle. All the things you said -- sabotage, guerrilla warfare, etc.. It is what you need in battle. With that said, using the same situation as before, I want you to tell me how to invade the planet. Again.
The catch? You can't actually move troops to the planet for battle. How do you eliminate the enemy?
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I still have my reliable intelligence that they are coming to invade my base. I repeat the same process as before, Except this time, I gear half my fleet differently, forgoing landing craft and soldiers for experienced mechanical crews, better energy shielding, and more auto turrets, as well as more air-to-ground weaponry.
I would wait until the last possible second, when the fleet is just about to attack my home base and therefore as far away as possible. Than, the specially equipped half of my fleet would strike hard and fast at the defenses of a particular section of planet. Although I suspect they would take heavy losses, this half of the fleet would hopefully disable whatever is preventing troops from going on-planet. With this feat done, I land the other half of my fleet, that is still fit for landing troops, and repeat the tactic used earlier, except this time with more aerial cover from the ravaged half of the fleet.
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By the time you get your troops on your own soil, enemy troops which landed away from your defense fleet have already destroyed much of your planet.
Try again. The answer might not be as complex as you think.
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I think you misunderstand. I didn't leave nay defense forces. I abandoned the planet.
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Then you failed already. The people on your planet will die and you will loose your crops.
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Wouldn't the invading fleet immediately turn around and abandon the siege when they hear that their home planet is under attack?
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I must have misread your post, but you can't attack the enemy's homeworld directly. Your ships can't even enter the area, nor can your men. You still have to invade the planet.
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Than I must be missing out on some other resource. Without ships, and without men, that leaves only one possible resource. Magic?
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Well, there's no one answer, but let's assume for a moment that you have no magic. Let me recap the situation for you:
A bunch of enemy ships are going to come to your planet and steal your crops. You want to invade their planet cause they're evil and all and are taking things and being generally the bad galactic neighbors they are. You have low amounts of ships and men and military tech, making battle almost unfathomable at the moment, considering they have advanced military tech. You're a farming planet with farming terrain, farming tech, and a lot of crops.
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Instead of attacking and war, for now, I give the illusion of peace, and since I have a large amount of crops, I will give them a certain amount to satisfy them, to buy myself time for a succesful invasion.
In addition to this, this could stop the war entirely as the Alliance might, by some chance, declare peace. Which I can either accept or pretend to accept until such a time as I can destroy the Alliance from the inside.
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That might work, but if they just take you over, they get everything from you.
Think deviously with your crops. ;D
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Are you taking over my instruction Orph? Sweet.
Ha ha, now, it is very obvious to me. Poison the crops.
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We're both doing your lessons.
THAT is good (I suggested poison. Though for future reference a supervirus of some sorts is better which is carried by the corn, so the entire population is effected, not just those who eat the crop.) You really understand the lesson now. There are more than one ways to look at a problem, and that's what strategy is all about. You have to take what little intel you may have and develop a strategy with it which may go above and beyond the norm and is destined to succeed. Analyze what you DO have and use it instead of trying to gain what you don't have or trying to use what you do have in ways that will not help you. But my friend Orpheus has brought up a good point: To develop a good strategy, you need appropriate intel.
Let me give you a new scenario...
You are on a jungle planet with 500 humans, all armed to their teeth. You're alone. The only means of escape is the human spaceship which is currently swarmed with human troops. The humans are searching for you, and you are miles away from their ship, but they're starting to close in on you. You know that as soon as these humans find you they will take off for your home planet and invade. You have to get to their space ship, even though you're being surrounded, and gather intel of the following:
A. Their plans of search for you and what they plan to do when they find you
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B. Their plans of attack for your homeworld.
Explain to me how you go about doing this.
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I'm going to assume that because I have been assigned this task I have some experience in special operations.
I am also going to assume that I know the jungle well. Here's my plan, I'm going to explain the perfect scenario, everything going to plan, and you tell me where I'm wrong:
Obviously, I am outgunned and extremely outnumbered, and I don't want to be found or else my mission will fail. My first thought is to disguise myself, but the missing soldier will look suspicious and one of the soldiers going back alone for no reason will also look suspicious. So, I find a good ambush point, and two of my hunters come into view. They are very attentive and prepared, but they have one flaw: they are not in view of each other. One of them is traveling at a slightly quicker pace and thus will not instantly notice the loss of a friend. They pass briefly and the one slightly behind the other catches up. They talk briefly in whispers, and continue in the same formation. With a bit of luck, they go right past my ambush point. I sit very quietly as the first one goes by, but when the second comes by, I wait for him to pass a couple of paces. I sneak out of my hiding place and come up behind the soldier. I put a rag to his mouth and slit his throat with a dagger, one of my few supplies. His cries are muffled, his partner is focused on something else and does not hear them. Very carefully, I take him to my hiding place.
This is a critical part, the extra weight makes going stealthy harder, and I know these men are not stupid and that his buddy will soon discover his friend missing. I continue at a slow pace with the man draped over my shoulders. The second I get into my hiding spot, a small clearing in the middle of tall bushes, I hear him whisper and the sound of static. The man has reported the loss of his friend and will investigate thoroughly. His first spot to check is the bushes I'm hiding in. He comes very close and I fight the temptation to leap at him, adrenaline is kicking in. He clicks the flash light on his gun on and uses the barrel to part the bushes. He sneaks in very carefully, I am crumpled on the ground. He nearly steps on me, and he sees the corpse. I spring up, slam the end of the knife into his jugular, (the blunt end of the hilt, not the tip of the blade) this striking of a pressure point stuns him for a second. He is strong and fast but that moment is all I need. I slip behind him, wrapping my arm around his neck and sticking the end of the knife barely into his skin. It bleeds, but he is not harmed, only intimidated. I interrogate him, and get the answer to their plans of searching for me and what they plan to do to me. Obviously, being a grunt, he does not know the battle plan.
I push him forward, and strike the back of his neck with the end of his hilt, where the neck meets the head, I do it with all my strength and it is enough to knock him out with a grunt. The grunt alerts nearby patrols. I easily let him to the ground. I know he won't be out long. As quickly and silently as I am able, I strip him down bare and myself too. I put my clothes on him and his clothes on me, which begins to rouse him. Before he lets out a sound, I slit his throat and he dies noiselessly. I let several splotches of blood get on me. The patrols are getting closer. I leave him in the clearing, pick up his dead friend and put his arm over my shoulder, and pop out of the bushes. I play the role of a hysterical soldier, and call for help. When someone finally arrives, I clumsily fall and drop my friend, falling face first into the mud. As I pull myself out, my face is somewhat concealed by the mud. I explain that I found my dead friend, and must go back to the ship with him, making up some story about being best friends with him. They believe me when I say I didn't see the killer, and several close in on the area to investigate.
Somehow, I am taken to the ship with the corpse. Once I am on the ship, I get rid of all the gear I'm carrying from the soldier's uniform that I don't need. The corpse of the dead soldier is discovered, and I am in suspicion, but I clean my face in the morgue and disappear into the large ship, where I break into the commanders office and extract the battle plan information. I kill him, and hide in the ship, which, after a while, leaves the planet.
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Good plan, but you also need to realize the area around you, use the resources you're given.. I didn't see any traps? Or any basic decoys that would lead the enemy astray, that severely hampers your possibility of success.
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I was unaware I was given any resources. I thought the knife was pushing it. But, making these things takes time and makes noise, And I have no time and can't make noise. If I had time to prepare I would implement these resources.
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It says they are "Starting" to close in on you, and you're in a forest, if you have knife many things can be used.
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Alright, I see.
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Well, you're certainly ready for the real thing, you have been, but we've come to the conclusion that you need a creative boost in thinking outside the box. That's a key in battle. So, here's your next exercise..
First, list 20 items that you see around you.
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In great detail?
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No. Just what they are.
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1. My blackcell phone with silver and red trim "The Black Knight"
2. My blue iPod nano
3. My brother's black grey and silver wireless mouse
4. my soon-to-be computer, an old white iMac
5. A slightly dusty but well kept keyboard.
6. A black Logitech mouse charger
7. a red lighter with music notes and "Flick my Bic" in classy font
8. a green cigar wrapper
9. a card for a metal tour, with stormtroopers on it
10. a silver digital camera
11. numerous red rubber bands
12. a black, crumpled up sleeping bag.
13. the gray brim of my hat
14. a feather rose
15. a shot glass full of push pins with a canadian flag and, "Fucken EH!" in bold text
16. a letter from the bank
17. a capped orange chap stick
18. a printed receipt from amazon
19. a black, silver, and transparent mechanical pencil
20. various chords
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Good.. Now list scenarios on how you could use each of those to kill your enemy who is deployed in this mecha:
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/gurennlagann/images/5/5f/TengenToppaGurren-LagannMECH.jpg)
You're both in a desert, no civilization anywhere around.
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I'm wearing blue jeans, black converse, a gray t-shirt and a green zip-up hoodie, and my gray ivy league cap. My cell phone and iPod are obviously not effective weapons, but both do have external speakers and are loaded with music and sound clips. Well running, I crank the volume of each on high, put on two different sounds for each, and hurl the cell phone to the left blaring music and the iPod to the right blaring music even louder and clearer, hoping to distract the creature in some way. The mouse and charger are kept in my back pocket, ready to be thrown. I apply the chap stick and throw it at it's left shoulder, further temporarily distracting it, and take the sleeping bag, throwing the cigar wrapper, the amazon receipt, the stormtrooper card, the feather rose, and the letter inside the bag. I run at it, and it bend over to grab me, but I run between it's legs before it can grab me. I take this opportunity to throw the mouse and charger at it's back to taunt it and make it turn faster, and also lessen my load. I take the lighter and light all the paper inside the sleeping bag on fire, which ignites the flannel inside and turns the entire thing into a torch. When it turns around I toss it into it's face, where it falls into the space in between the main head and the eyes on the chest, and well it reacts to this use the chords to climb up it's body, when I reach the chest I use the silver camera to pound in the glass of the chest-eyes, I than break the lighter, getting the fluid inside of the eye, grab the flaming sleeping bag, and stuff it in eye hole I made before, which starts a fire inside the cock pit. I jump to safety as he is burned , and carry the iMac and keyboard with me through the desert as I try to find a town to plug it in.
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Fair enough.. You graduate.
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Yay!