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It's super effective!
« on: January 21, 2010, 07:28:35 PM »
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Re: It's super effective!
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2010, 09:14:26 PM »
To my knowledge, only Orpheus and K2323 are qualified to teach this course, so either have K2 start you off, or you're kinda stuck waiting for Orph to get back.
Seeing the world through a child's eyes is truly a unique experience. It helps you to retrieve that sense of awe, magic and wonder that you lost as you lost your innocence. Tell me, when was the last time that you thought of those childhood dreams? You know, the ones that you used to spend all your time wondering and fantasizing about? Have you forgotten them so easily? Have you forgotten what it felt like to see something for the first time, to see the magic in the mundane? Everyone says you should take the time to 'Stop and smell the roses'. But you should also take the time to look for the fairies, embrace the wind and enjoy the rain. Just once today, stop for a moment and look into that little piece of nature you pass everyday. Perhaps you may see something you did not notice before.

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Re: It's super effective!
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2010, 10:05:45 PM »
Whatever works, I'll take whatever I can get.

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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2010, 09:24:42 PM »
I'll sub for Orph till he can get back.

Let's say you're starting a battle, for some reason. You have a fair amount of knowledge of how this RP works, so I will use a relative example:

The Bloodah Empire is attacking the planet of Veita, a heavily defended, technologically advanced planet home to an Alliance of empires throughout the galaxy. This alliance is composed of the best empires throughout the entire galaxy. The tech is superb, the military strategy is genius. You've got only a few ships compared to their massive fleet. What is the first element of battle you need to succeed, you being the Bloodah Empire, in the taking of this planet?
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2010, 05:46:50 PM »
(I'm sorry, I never played Cozmic empires. But I'll answer the question anyway.)

I think a key element to the battle would be sabotage and preparation. If it were me, I'd send special forces in before hand very discreetly to disable defenses and cause a little bit of chaos immediately before striking a key part of their defenses with everything I had. The element of surprise would be a great aid.

Once the hole had been punched through I'd try to get my troops on the ground. Elite troops, not grunts, try to establish a foot hold so the grunts can follow. I'd tell them to use guerilla warfare and use the urban environment to their advantage before dropping some armored support.

I would avoid space battle because their fleet could obviously overpower my own and try to get the planet taken as soon as possible.

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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2010, 04:42:11 PM »
For some reason I thought you were Hiro. Anyway, I suppose we should wait for Orph to come back, he seems to have a specific lesson plan for you.

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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2010, 06:56:14 PM »
OK.

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Re: It's super effective!
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2010, 04:43:43 PM »
Continue with this lesson K2, I'll continue with Nisorin's.

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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2010, 05:47:06 PM »
(I'm sorry, I never played Cozmic empires. But I'll answer the question anyway.)

I think a key element to the battle would be sabotage and preparation. If it were me, I'd send special forces in before hand very discreetly to disable defenses and cause a little bit of chaos immediately before striking a key part of their defenses with everything I had. The element of surprise would be a great aid.

Once the hole had been punched through I'd try to get my troops on the ground. Elite troops, not grunts, try to establish a foot hold so the grunts can follow. I'd tell them to use guerilla warfare and use the urban environment to their advantage before dropping some armored support.

I would avoid space battle because their fleet could obviously overpower my own and try to get the planet taken as soon as possible.

That's good, but you're overlooking factors. Your small fleet would be overrun pretty quickly, and that would leave your troops stranded on the ground with no way of getting home and no backup. Try the scenario again in a way that would not get your ships caught up.

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Re: It's super effective!
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2010, 03:32:38 PM »
Can you give me a quick little briefing on the Bloodah Empire?

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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2010, 06:29:14 PM »
Can you give me a quick little briefing on the Bloodah Empire?

The Bloodah Empire is basically a united group of rebels who were a slave population for some other, rich empire. When the slaves broke away from the planet, they formed the Bloodah Empire and killed their masters, taking everything they owned - which wasn't much. They have a lot of crops, but limited weapons.

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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2010, 08:56:28 PM »
Well, than the obvious answer is to not attack. Crops and strong wills aren't enough to break a force that strong. You have to know when it's hopeless.

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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2010, 09:35:26 PM »
Sometimes, not attacking is not an option, but let's use this scenario; The reason you're attacking Veita is because they want to steal your crops.

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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2010, 09:44:42 PM »
Alright, then for this battle, clearly, careful planning is key. If I possess that knowledge it is obvious I am keeping a close eye on them and thus have a somewhat experienced band of spies. If I knew they were coming to my planet/base to steal my supplies, and I knew they were wise and powerful, my greatest weapon would be surprise. Possessing knowledge they do not know I have is a very strong advantage. I would try my hardest to not alert the Alliance, but carefully assemble forces discreetly close to their base. I would take great care to carefully move some crops off-planet to other facilities. I wouldn't move it all because I know that would tip-off the alliance.

This maneuver relies on the idea that the Alliance will take my men seriously and not underestimate them. When they send their forces, which will hopefully be substantial because they won't underestimate me, and go to my base, I would immediately launch a surprise attack when their forces are half-way to my base or more and there-fore cannot get back to base very quickly.

I would stick with my earlier strategy of taking the ground first. Using all guerilla ground forces at my disposal and using quick landing crafts to get them on surface, I would immediately try to take over their defense grid, or at least a section of it. Striking hard and fast with the element of surprise, I would try to take their defense grid from them. If this manuever was a success, I would land all ground forces as well as my space fleet in this section. With their defense grid I'd be using their own weapons against any craft that tries to land behind me as well as their fleet that is inevitably returning from the siege of my base, who have heard about to attack.

With this strong foot hold I would continue the tactic, block by block, section by section, until I could control the whole planet. Of course, the desired goal would be to control it BEFORE their fleet comes back, but that is an unlikely scenario.

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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2010, 09:52:23 PM »
Alright, then for this battle, clearly, careful planning is key.

This.

Strategy (and in turn, planning) is the primary key you need to successfully win a battle. You obviously are a great strategist and that will get you far in a battle. All the things you said -- sabotage, guerrilla warfare, etc.. It is what you need in battle. With that said, using the same situation as before, I want you to tell me how to invade the planet. Again.

The catch? You can't actually move troops to the planet for battle. How do you eliminate the enemy?

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« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2010, 09:59:13 PM »
I still have my reliable intelligence that they are coming to invade my base. I repeat the same process as before, Except this time, I gear half my fleet differently, forgoing landing craft and soldiers for experienced mechanical crews, better energy shielding, and more auto turrets, as well as more air-to-ground weaponry.

I would wait until the last possible second, when the fleet is just about to attack my home base and therefore as far away as possible. Than, the specially equipped half of my fleet would strike hard and fast at the defenses of a particular section of planet. Although I suspect they would take heavy losses, this half of the fleet would hopefully disable whatever is preventing troops from going on-planet. With this feat done, I land the other half of my fleet, that is still fit for landing troops, and repeat the tactic used earlier, except this time with more aerial cover from the ravaged half of the fleet.

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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2010, 10:12:43 PM »
By the time you get your troops on your own soil, enemy troops which landed away from your defense fleet have already destroyed much of your planet.

Try again. The answer might not be as complex as you think.

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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2010, 10:14:13 PM »
I think you misunderstand. I didn't leave nay defense forces. I abandoned the planet.

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Re: It's super effective!
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2010, 10:24:10 PM »
Then you failed already. The people on your planet will die and you will loose your crops.

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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2010, 10:26:35 PM »
Wouldn't the invading fleet immediately turn around and abandon the siege when they hear that their home planet is under attack?

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« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2010, 11:28:07 PM »
I must have misread your post, but you can't attack the enemy's homeworld directly. Your ships can't even enter the area, nor can your men. You still have to invade the planet.

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« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2010, 11:30:10 PM »
Than I must be missing out on some other resource.  Without ships, and without men, that leaves only one possible resource. Magic?

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« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2010, 11:34:46 PM »
Well, there's no one answer, but let's assume for a moment that you have no magic. Let me recap the situation for you:

A bunch of enemy ships are going to come to your planet and steal your crops. You want to invade their planet cause they're evil and all and are taking things and being generally the bad galactic neighbors they are. You have low amounts of ships and men and military tech, making battle almost unfathomable at the moment, considering they have advanced military tech. You're a farming planet with farming terrain, farming tech, and a lot of crops.

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« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2010, 11:39:24 PM »
Instead of attacking and war, for now, I give the illusion of peace, and since I have a large amount of crops, I will give them a certain amount to satisfy them, to buy myself time for a succesful invasion.

In addition to this, this could stop the war entirely as the Alliance might, by some chance, declare peace. Which I can either accept or pretend to accept until such a time as I can destroy the Alliance from the inside.

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« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2010, 11:51:17 PM »
That might work, but if they just take you over, they get everything from you.

Think deviously with your crops. ;D
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