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Title: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Queen Bright on February 21, 2012, 10:00:21 PM
Was asked to look at this topic...

...Um Nik, seriously? Why the fuck would the Magnificent Mages be there in a ship that they have NO way whatsoever to teleport into? Hello! METAGAMING!
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on February 21, 2012, 10:33:33 PM
My exact post I had written out:
OOC: Not necessarily. It's not like she's fat, super muscular, or clumsy. She's jumping sideways feet first.  If she hits herself on the way, she'll just have a to get her balance for an extra second afterward.

Tess turned her head and braced for the attacks of the soldiers upon landing behind the


Also, she's not Magnificent mages. They broke up, and since then she's been touring the universe.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Queen Bright on February 21, 2012, 10:34:30 PM
That doesn't mean you can say "poof I'm in your ship."

Like wtf? It's his ship why the fuck would she be in a ship of a race she doesn't even know. That makes NO sense.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on February 21, 2012, 10:40:26 PM
Is she anorexic? Unless in art terms her entire body fits in less than one Head  of a space she'd knock into the field.


Also, has there before this, been any posts before that's she's had tours on a Tribal animalalistic planet with no venues for her to preform at. Its seems meta for her to be ehre at all, if this was like, K City, or New Westhot, or Pleasure Planet maybe this character even being at this location would make sense.

My issue is that her even being here is metagaming to me, and I do not see a good IC reason for her to be here. There are issues with her approach should she had a good reason to be here, like the first version of her teleport was GM'ding but that was solved between you and me. However, why in the heck is she even on a planet with nothing, nothing for this character to even be staying at to practice her craft as a musician, nor was there a post far as I know saying she was lost here.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: UnStellar on February 21, 2012, 10:44:59 PM
Because you're attacking our good friend for no good reason. Lay off Nik you two.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Queen Bright on February 21, 2012, 10:46:51 PM
What? We're not saying he has no right to be there. We're saying Nik OUT OF NOWHERE appeared in one of Cap's ships which is character would DEFINITELY not be in.

And good friend? Unless it's IN-CHARACTER that does not matter. OOC should not affect IC or it is metagaming. Defending your OOC friends? M-E-T-A-G-A-M-I-N-G!
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ghost on February 21, 2012, 10:47:53 PM
Because you're attacking our good friend for no good reason. Lay off Nik you two.

If you're referring to me, Cap rolled Dice derp
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: UnStellar on February 21, 2012, 10:52:26 PM
What? We're not saying he has no right to be there. We're saying Nik OUT OF NOWHERE appeared in one of Cap's ships which is character would DEFINITELY not be in.

And good friend? Unless it's IN-CHARACTER that does not matter. OOC should not affect IC or it is metagaming. Defending your OOC friends? M-E-T-A-G-A-M-I-N-G!
It's called loyalty. The Magnificent Mages have always been galaxy travelers and explorers. I don't see any reason why a former MM member wouldn't check out a new planet he/she hasn't seen before.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Queen Bright on February 21, 2012, 10:56:58 PM
That makes sense. Under an attack though? No. He should have posted BEFORE the attack then. Right now he's just metagaming to help OOC.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on February 21, 2012, 10:58:16 PM
The Wayword are current on a bit of a French style suicidal conquest spree, the dice thing is my way of keeping it random and slightly fair. I understand Yuki is your friend, however that is not a reason to send your characters to defend unless they had an IC reason to, a good one. Far as I can see, Nik's characters has no reason to be on my ship, much less this system. Mine needs no more than they are are out to build Dyson spheres and sample and destroy entire ecosystems.

The only planet they would not do this to is Autumvania, and that is out of gratitude and feeling as if they are equals.

Again OOC loyalty should have no affect IC, and even if the MM are explorers , unless they had previously posted, for the same reason police are not allowed to investigate their own children's murders its pretty obvious that Nik post that as a defense, there was no exploration post before hand, thus no does not count.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: UnStellar on February 21, 2012, 11:57:39 PM
Spontaneity has always been a great part of SP. If the Maird could randomly jump to the place, why couldn't Nik's character randomly be there?
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on February 22, 2012, 08:35:13 PM
Metagaming Definition
"In role-playing games, metagaming can be defined as any out of character action made by a player's character which makes use of knowledge that the character is not meant to be aware of. (Metagaming while taking part in relatively competitive games, or those with a more serious tone, is typically not well received, because a character played by a metagamer does not act in a way that reflects the character's in-game experiences and back-story.)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming_%28role-playing_games%29

I have yet to use OOC knowledge to the benefit of Tessitura. I have yet to use IC knowledge not acquired by Tessitura with Tessitura. I did help Swift out of friendship to a degree, but if being friends OOC is undisputable grounds for Metagaming, then I can say without a doubt that most of Shattered's IC battles from day one are metagamers. I fail to see why this rule only applies to me.

Also, touring the galaxy doesn't necessarily mean a concert tour. Tessitura is touring the galaxy the regular way, by going on a vacation to see the worlds. She was on the world, seeing nature. I mean, seriously, why insist on making her so one sided? Do you want me to make tools for characters? As much as you might like that, that's never happening. If you have a problem with a seventeen year old girl unhappy with the idea of killing puppies (all be it alien equivalents of puppies) then just stop trying to psychoanalyze characters.

And no, she's not anorexic. Dieting could fit the character, but I never thought of that. She is ectomorphic though. And i never said she wouldn't hit the sheild, but if she hits the sheild, it doesn't just automatically reset her position. She'll bounce off it like it were a wall, and only bounce back in if the shield were surrounding the Marid soldiers. And no, you can't just decide it was shaped like an upside down bowl all along. Well, I mean, maybe you could if your entire attack on Helios were nulled due to my claim that it was metagaming for Sliph to see the world, but I think we may just have to go with precedent at this point.

Spontaneity has always been a great part of SP. If the Maird could randomly jump to the place, why couldn't Nik's character randomly be there?
Unstellar's right. Contesting this is like saying certain rules only apply to certain people. Why do I have to get shoveled under? However if it's that important to you I'll go post in an earlier topic...
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on February 22, 2012, 09:10:56 PM
I did help Swift out of friendship to a degree

Here is the problem, you just stated that you put her there out of an OOC friendship, that is metagaming. Also, all of this as her view nature, or helping puppies? You did not put anything about that in the post, none of the reason of there, just the attack, and the fact you admit that you had an OOC reason means metagaming. You should have established in the post why she was there before hand, or at least hinted to it, no you started with that attack. Also, not trying to narrow the character, however you gave no reasons whatsoever, and when you are posting, for OOC reasons you admitted to, you damn well need a very, very good IC reason to not be metagaming. Far as I see it you just admitted to your reasons for being here being a meta reason

Since mine is an invading fleet, my entire attack pretty much explains my reason for being there, and I have methods to keep it fair, so that I never attack something for a personal reason.

As far as the whole shield thing, what annoyed me was that you ignored it for a reason that made no sense whatsoever, I don't particularly care how she hits it, but by her own actions its kind of cause and effect.

The stuff about Sliph? Save it, that was dealt with in that topic, and you know very well why your planet was found, not related.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on February 22, 2012, 09:36:56 PM
It's not metagaming if there is an IC reason. Period. Every IC action can be linked to an OOC motive. I'm just brave enough to admit it. I have an IC reason, so it can't be metagaming.

You assume that the only reason I posted there was my friendship with Swift. If you want to get through this, don't just dismiss whole catigories of reason just because it doesn't fit your argument.

And that is a problem. If your writing lacks any and all emotion you have no place in an RP. I know that sounds harsh, but it's the truth. If you can't feel, you can only troll.

OOC: Not necessarily. It's not like she's fat, super muscular, or clumsy. She's jumping sideways feet first.  If she hits herself on the way, she'll just have a to get her balance for an extra second afterward.

The stuff about Sliph? Completely relevant, in the context of the paragraph.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on February 22, 2012, 09:53:39 PM
Again, you did not present that IC reason in your post, you went straight onto your attack as if you character had been there the whole time, not even in into paragraph, and you used this character as a tool to help an friend for OOC reasons. I kept a very, very ridged separation of OOC and IC.

Honestly, if you were going to post with her on this planet for IC reasons, that had nothing to do with my attack, witch you responded to for OOC reasons, you would have done so already. You did not, and you admitted to meatgaming, justify all you want, you have made my point loud and clear.

I have characters who are emotional, and those who are not, those who nearly lack, those who truly lack, and those who are very emotional. I do not roleplay just evil characters, nor to I play just good ones. During the False Heaven I destroyed it with one character and was helping out the survivors with another, I am by no means a troll on this forum. Hell, the topic the it was destroyed with was a situation which I had to handle just getting RP rights with the char, so it went where it went, with a ball already rolling.

Again, considering they are attempting to apprehend her in that post, that extra second would cost her freedom.



Bottom line is, you metagamed into the topic, you are now trying to justify yourself for being there, but you are here because your friend was being attacked. OOC reasons. Metagaming. I wonder if there's a rule on that. Hell, this isn't the first time you've metagamed on me, you metagamed knowing Sliph name, you metagamed a topic on the Marid Homeworld, So, I am sorry if I am getting a little tired of it.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Queen Bright on February 22, 2012, 10:26:49 PM
It's metagaming.

Example Metagaming:

1. Helping an OOC friend IC just because they're your OOC friend is metagaming. Unless your characters are friends or you have a damn good reason to be there, it is metagaming.

2. Building a defense IC (having your characters/race/empire prepare) because someone told you OOC they were going to attack you. The only thing this doesn't include is creating new technology for the attack if it is to DEFEND because you can say you've always had the tech. The ONLY tech that would be metagaming in that situation would be if you specifically went over their tech and build a tech that directly combats that piece of tech being used against you.

3.Joining your empires together in allies JUST because you're friends OOC if your empires would otherwise never do so.

4. PROTECTING an OOC friend just because they're your friend. (Aser and his damn shadow.)

5. Having your character know something you OOC know but your character shouldn't.

6. Having all your characters be friends when they would naturally be enemies or hate one another due to their personalities (Hawkeye -.-)


HOW NOT TO METAGAME

Fight yourself if your characters would fight, don't just ignore that fact if they meet.

Have your empires separate unless the CHARACTERS themselves are allies and have a reason to be allies.

Always play to your characters personalities not your own. If you're having a bad day OOC? TOO BAD! That doesn't mean to go find excuses to attack whoever you're mad at IC when your character would normally not have a reason to do so.

Going along with the last one, don't hold back on attacking or doing an action just because you'll know you'll die if your character WOULD do that attack.

Don't appear on a planet that your character would be unable to get to or even know about just because there's an attack on your friend or something YOU WANT TO BE INCLUDED IN.

You are your character in a Roleplay. You are limited to what your character knows when you are your character. Your character is themself, you only breathe life into them.

Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on February 22, 2012, 10:46:00 PM
A teenage girl with long blond hair sat in a tree watching the wildlife below. A cute little creature was leading a row of cute little babies. She sat back, and looked at the small ship she had come in. The air was so peaceful and calm. What could go wrong?

Nice try.

Last time I check, no, SP does not work on fluid time. Based on Up a creek without a paddle, the area you are in is covered in deadly toxic and hot ash and most of the planet is already glassed. So, no, no dice.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ghost on February 22, 2012, 11:15:55 PM
Hikaru has repitition going whether she knows if or not. Mainly this: OOC Realtions can't Work IC unless their characters are friends IC(which was reworded like 4 times)
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on February 22, 2012, 11:20:05 PM
What makes it a metagaming is not the OOC, but the lack of IC. If there is an IC reason, then it is not metagaming. I used Tessitura in the post because she was the only character who I could explain being there IC. And I have explained to you what she is doing there. Your basis of accusation relies on the fact that both Swift and I are friends, and that I admitted we are. However, you yourself Hik, in your last post outlined how it's not metagaming.
1. Helping an OOC friend IC just because they're your OOC friend is metagaming. Unless your characters are friends or you have a damn good reason to be there, it is metagaming.
Well, the fact is I do have a good reason. And it's IC rather than OOC.

Also, the phrase Just because pulls me out of this one. The reasoning goes beyond just helping Swift.

And for goodness sakes Hik, you're the only one who still beleives that because our IC lores connect that it's an example of metagaming.

If either of you want to complain that I didn't fully develop it to your complete and utter beaten over the head liking in the actual topic, then complain to Hik for locking it.

Don't appear on a planet that your character would be unable to get to or even know about just because there's an attack on your friend or something YOU WANT TO BE INCLUDED IN.
Because I haven't explained how she got there three or four times already.

You are your character in a Roleplay. You are limited to what your character knows when you are your character. Your character is themself, you only breathe life into them.[/b
Thank you for recapping my definition of Metagaming a few posts back. Here's my answer:

I have yet to use OOC knowledge to the benefit of Tessitura. I have yet to use IC knowledge not acquired by Tessitura with Tessitura. I did help Swift out of friendship to a degree, but if being friends OOC is undisputable grounds for Metagaming, then I can say without a doubt that most of Shattered's IC battles from day one are metagamers. I fail to see why this rule only applies to me.
Substitute rule with definition. It fits what I was saying better.

Cap, an extra second would cost her her freedom if it were an extra second in front of them. However the extra second of recovery time is when she hits the ground behind them, is in fact behind them, and the guards need an extra second as well to turn around+ reaction time to her jumping over in the first place.

Honestly, if you were going to post with her on this planet for IC reasons, that had nothing to do with my attack, witch you responded to for OOC reasons, you would have done so already. You did not, and you admitted to meatgaming, justify all you want, you have made my point loud and clear.
Yes, my IC reasons for being there had nothing to do with the attack! Haven't you been listening? Well, I guess not given the second part of that statement.

Bottom line is, you metagamed into the topic, you are now trying to justify yourself for being there, but you are here because your friend was being attacked. OOC reasons. Metagaming. I wonder if there's a rule on that. Hell, this isn't the first time you've metagamed on me, you metagamed knowing Sliph name, you metagamed a topic on the Marid Homeworld, So, I am sorry if I am getting a little tired of it.
That wasn't metagaming. I was completely in my rights in the time, I just misread the post. I mean, seriously, who brings in a superpowered character, does an attack, and then brings them out again in the exact same post? Hold on a minute. That seems oddly familiar...
HOW NOT TO METAGAME...

...Going along with the last one, don't hold back on attacking or doing an action just because you'll know you'll die if your character WOULD do that attack.

To Swift's comment
No, it doesn't have to be limited to friends IC. That's just childish saying that the only way using a character in a topic not on your own soil is if they're friends? No! Actually listen to my claims! Stop rewording the same thing so I cabn stop explaining over and over and over and over...

But Hikaru, I do have to thank you for something (not being sarcastic)
6. Having all your characters be friends when they would naturally be enemies or hate one another due to their personalities (Hawkeye -.-)
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ghost on February 22, 2012, 11:37:45 PM
Quote
To Swift's comment
No, it doesn't have to be limited to friends IC. That's just childish saying that the only way using a character in a topic not on your own soil is if they're friends? No! Actually listen to my claims! Stop rewording the same thing so I cabn stop explaining over and over and over and over...

Just saying what hik said four times, minus the repitition.

:/
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on February 22, 2012, 11:43:24 PM
I did help Swift out of friendship to a degree

The rest is IC excuses for a completely meta post.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Queen Bright on February 23, 2012, 12:00:01 AM
Just because you have an IC reason doesn't mean it's not metagaming if your motive was originally OOC. YOUR wants/desires and such do not matter to your character. It is the characters personality and THEIR WANTS that affect IC NOT yours. If your motive is OOC and you make up an IC excuse then you are not playing true to your character and the IC situation. You are simply wanting to help an OOC friend and MAKING UP a reason later.
 
When I say you need a damn good reason, I mean a pre-emptive reason. Not a post-reason.

If you do make up an IC reason for an OOC motive you are using your character as a tool for that motive, plain and simple.

METAGAMING
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on February 23, 2012, 05:23:43 PM
Because IC motive makes your character a tool...

And what you're saying is not true. Like I said, I had Tessitura in the post because it fits her character. It would fit her desires. Had I used someone else, such as Salgren or Johnson, then you'd be right, and I would be metagaming. However I had a reason going in there, and was able to give it to you the same day as my initial post.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on February 23, 2012, 09:07:18 PM
I did help Swift out of friendship to a degree

Not when for a OOC reason you looked over you charterers for an IC excuse to fight here, and even then you just went straight to the attack part of the post. Even I put a line or a half about arriving.

Metagaming.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on February 23, 2012, 09:45:04 PM
Why do you keep ignoring the definitive part of that post?
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on February 24, 2012, 12:18:04 AM
Why do you keep ignoring the definitive part of that post?

It is you who that is ignoring that you OOC used a character to help a OOC friend. Anything IC offered now is excuses, and from my veiw this is not your first time metagaming in regards to me.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on February 24, 2012, 05:49:36 PM
And like I said before, what I did to you wasn't metagaming. It was fully in my requested, and approved (until about three days later when Hik contested it), for Cadinae to be able to do that.
That wasn't metagaming. I was completely in my rights in the time, I just misread the post. I mean, seriously, who brings in a superpowered character, does an attack, and then brings them out again in the exact same post? Hold on a minute. That seems oddly familiar...
HOW NOT TO METAGAME...
...Going along with the last one, don't hold back on attacking or doing an action just because you'll know you'll die if your character WOULD do that attack.
This Sliph's choice affair could be considered illeagle, but never by metagaming. It would be straight up godmodding, and as soon as I realized what had happened (and how you had in fact metagamed, though I did not know it counted as metagaming at the time). As soon as I realised the problem, I edited and nulled, so there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to use it as an accusation against me, even if it had been a case of metagaming.

And either way, I really feel I need to do this, even though I get the feeling you'll just give me crap about being it.
to a degree
to a degree
to a degree

That wasn't my only reason for using her. She was a character I had hardly been able used IC, and I needed to use the character rather than have her collecting dust. Had Cap never attacked, I still would have used Tessitura recently, and almost certainly on Arcanthros.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on February 24, 2012, 05:55:52 PM
As I have said, take the Sliph stuff and drop. Not part of this discussion. However, As far as Sliph's characters goes, he is a make mess, leave, have other characters clean up mess or die. I wasn't even my first post he disappeared in, just the one before you tried to touch him. He left a mess, the fires and the tree, and left, had what he wanted, and he was done with he place. You metagamed the topic on my world, and hell saying you strait up godmodded is even better? Hik did not disprove your request the Damn system for how the SPverse works says how your character is shouldn't have been approved day one.


Regardless, you have admitted to having even a part OOC reason for attaching. The rest? Too bad. Not my problem. The attack is metagaming, an admin has told you so already.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on February 24, 2012, 06:22:02 PM
An admin who has harassed me OOC since the moment I came to Shattered Planes.

The funny thing is, you brought up the stuff about Sliph just now. And you continued on with it in that post, right after telling me to drop it.

And like I said, I did not metagame on your world. It was fully in my right to steal your memory at the time. The problem lies with me having not touched your character at all. A case for goddmodding, but not metagaming. And yet

Re: Sliph's Choice
? Reply #12 on: January 14, 2012, 11:20:46 PM ?
Quote
OOC: Null it
I went back on it. When you proved that I misread the post, I went back on my post. Therefore, it never happened IC. Therefore, I followed the rules IC and OOC. Stop accusing me.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on February 24, 2012, 06:39:04 PM
An admin who has harassed me OOC since the moment I came to Shattered Planes.

Erm, that just sound like a lot of playing the victim. I know her very well and no she is not harassing you, she is just doing her job as admin, she just more direct about her job then most. Heck, if she wasn't admin chances are this RP would still have Stargate in it, she is one the best, and is definitely a balance force in terms of keep the SPverse consistent.

It was never in your rights, because that ability broke the very foundations of how the RP worked, last time I even tried using such an ability Is got banned.... So, consider yourself blessed. Far as I concerned it was metagaming, powergaming, and godmodding, especial auto-hitting.


In terms of this topic goes, you show up with character, for no better reason than "aww. puppies are dying" when the character has never been here before, never established knowing about this place, and you admitted having his character attack in part, for an OOC reason. Hell, you didn't even do an of an arrival section of your post, just strait on to attack.

Honestly, by your own admission of OOC reason, and the fact the was no IC arrival section, no RP beyond just the attack. Metagaming, You attacked to help an OOC friend. Period. end of story.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on February 24, 2012, 06:56:18 PM
An admin who has harassed me OOC since the moment I came to Shattered Planes.
I know her very well and no she is not harassing you, she is just doing her job as admin, she just more direct about her job then most.
She called me illiterate for the first six months that I was on SP and kept telling people I was failing art school because I didn't draw folds in a guy's cloths. She's done a good job keeping certain stuff out of the forum, but she has never said anything to me OOC that wasn't hostile or phrased as a command (Ie, post in ______). Things aren't so one sided.

I KNOW IT WAS NEVER IN MY RIGHTS! That is why I went back on it as soon as I found out it actually wasn't. I didn't get punished because it wasn't deliberate. Like I said, back off.

As far as arrival...
Spontaneity has always been a great part of SP. If the Maird could randomly jump to the place, why couldn't Nik's character randomly be there?

If having an OOC relationship with a person you're rping with automatically counts as metagaming, you are completely right.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on February 24, 2012, 07:03:08 PM
She isn't the easiest person to get along with, so what? If only you knew buddy, if only you knew.

Regardless, you did, good job backing off. However, this damn well is deliberate, you have admitted to it being an OOC attack in part, even in part is metagaming, thus nulled in whole.

If this was a s simple as you and Yuki being friends and your charater just happen to already be on her planet, sure you'd have a point. The point is, no Tessa was not on yuki's planet, never was, and you only posted there now because of the attack and you admitted to it being OOC in part, thus in whole null.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on February 24, 2012, 07:14:48 PM
It's Tess

And I honestly still don't see why you have the right to instant post, but I don't. What because you were attacking? That's exactly what you've been complaining of me.

Tipped over the edge you might say. The hair that breaks the camel's back. The thing is, a simple hair can't break said back alone. If partial OOC motive for IC action is a case for metagaming, then any IC post the user takes pleasure in is metagaming. Such a case is just as much metagaming as my actions here.

No Cap, it's not that simple. 2 1/2 pages, and you still think this is simple, one sided, and undeveloped? No.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on February 24, 2012, 07:26:22 PM
I didn't just instant post, I posted, "dropped out of FTL" indicting travel. I also added in RP reasons, they are conquesting random places for their stars, I've devised a method to keep which starts random.

You post, only the attack, and for an OOC friend who just got attacked. I have the luxury of being the topic starter thus having no factor but the arrival attack itself for the topic, you have to figure out how and why you are in the topic, and not just, "ooppsie, I am here" Even then, you wouldn't instantly know what is going on. You need a better reason than "aww, puppies are dying" to randomly show up and attack, when far as I am concerned since there is no post saying tess was there, she was not there before.

This is  a simple case of metagaming, and everything you say against that as you have admitted to it, is excuses to metagaming to help an OOC friend.

 
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on February 24, 2012, 08:23:05 PM
I posted teleportation. I posted how I got in your ship.

As far as being knowing what's going on, seeing a giant fleet of warships coming toward a tribal planet armed and ready begin firing torpedoes...
Yeah, no way to know if they're attacking or not!

Anyway, my being here was no accident IC. I've provided a reason, so that theory is out the window.
No Cap, it's not that simple. 2 1/2 pages, and you still think this is simple, one sided, and undeveloped? No.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on February 24, 2012, 08:28:33 PM
Again, you provided one after having an OOC reason. Its metagaming plain and simple. Excuses.

You didn't bothing posting any of that til your second post, and even then, you did not post your reasons. It is established she was not there before the attack, and that you posted in part to help an OOC, friend. Far as I see it, you made up all the IC bull to help an OOC friend.

You are metagaming. Simple as that, rest save it. It is excuses.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on February 24, 2012, 09:19:20 PM
You didn't bothing posting any of that til your second post, and even then, you did not post your reasons. It is established she was not there before the attack, and that you posted in part to help an OOC, friend. Far as I see it, you made up all the IC bull to help an OOC friend.
...No it isn't. It was never established that she wasn't there before the attack. I already told you that she was on Arcanthros touring the universe. A beutiful, scenic nature area? And as far as my "confession" goes, the IC explanations came first.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Queen Bright on February 24, 2012, 09:38:31 PM
You didn't bothing posting any of that til your second post, and even then, you did not post your reasons. It is established she was not there before the attack, and that you posted in part to help an OOC, friend. Far as I see it, you made up all the IC bull to help an OOC friend.
...No it isn't. It was never established that she wasn't there before the attack. I already told you that she was on Arcanthros touring the universe. A beutiful, scenic nature area? And as far as my "confession" goes, the IC explanations came first.

What your missing for that IC reason is proof. You posted she was there AFTER not before. Had you shown your character there it would not be metagaming. But you had her appear after the attack. What would have saved you had you made a flashback post of arriving there. But the post you did is not a flashback it's an attempt at 'having been there already'. Thus. METAGAMING.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on February 24, 2012, 10:04:06 PM
What have we here?

ADDED:
Going back to the subject of I having OOC reasoning behind the attack, your entire motivation for Arcanthros was OOC. You admitted it when Swift accused it of you, but you covered it up like it was nothing.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: UnStellar on February 27, 2012, 03:24:20 PM
I think this is bullshit and should no longer be an issue. I think you both are just pissed because someone's actually doing something against you two. Nik hasn't done anything wrong.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: K2 on February 27, 2012, 05:04:38 PM
What he said.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ghost on February 27, 2012, 05:43:34 PM
What he said.
You're vague
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on February 28, 2012, 01:36:15 PM
I think this is bullshit and should no longer be an issue. I think you both are just pissed because someone's actually doing something against you two. Nik hasn't done anything wrong.

No, I am irked someone is metagaming. Even has gone as far to admit it. There is no defense against that. Nik metagamed plain and simple, he attacked and used his character as a tool to help an OOC friend.

As far as what Yuki said about dice, I've explained it as my way of ensuring I keep the Wayword's mad random conqeusting... random. No metagaming in it, or DnD dice rolls would be meta.

Again, Nik metagamed his way into the topic, any excuses to stay are just that. Excuses.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: K2 on February 28, 2012, 04:06:50 PM
Yes, that may be so, but that doesn't excuse all the aggressiveness stemming from this topic. Besides, he gave an IC motive for an OOC action, and don't anyone give me BS about how that's metagaming, roleplaying is about acting on an OOC whim, but giving an IC reasoning to your whim. Otherwise, there would be no authors needed to write the story.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on February 28, 2012, 04:17:32 PM
Yes, that may be so, but that doesn't excuse all the aggressiveness stemming from this topic. Besides, he gave an IC motive for an OOC action, and don't anyone give me BS about how that's metagaming, roleplaying is about acting on an OOC whim, but giving an IC reasoning to your whim. Otherwise, there would be no authors needed to write the story.

Again, using a character to help a OOC friend is using a character as a tool. This should not be tolerated if he wrote a masterpiece of an IC excuse.

He metagamed and should be treated accordingly.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on February 28, 2012, 08:09:03 PM
What is the IC reason behind the random attacks? I mean, as is it just looks like an excuse.

and ironically I can answer this statement
Again, using a character to help a OOC friend is using a character as a tool. This should not be tolerated if he wrote a masterpiece of an IC excuse.

with this one
Yes, that may be so, but that doesn't excuse all the aggressiveness stemming from this topic. Besides, he gave an IC motive for an OOC action, and don't anyone give me BS about how that's metagaming, roleplaying is about acting on an OOC whim, but giving an IC reasoning to your whim. Otherwise, there would be no authors needed to write the story.

Seriously, the definition of metagaming your entire argument is based on is the same as the definition of role playing. And yes, I admitted that.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on February 28, 2012, 08:46:40 PM
I've explained many times why the Wayword act the way they do. They are not just attacking randomly for the sake of attacking randomly. the reasons? Honestly, you just have to think for half a second, but if I must I'll explain.

The Wayword do not have a Parent Gem, as in they cannot reproduce. They need slaves if they are going to continue expanding, that is why the don't just hit uninhabited systems but ones that have potential slaves, for labor that soon they will not have the numbers to do themselves, additionally, yes they want to expand their network of Dyson Spheres. Why are they hell bent on expanding? They have the dangerous combination of a hellbent thirst for knowledge and the belief that its not just their right but their duty to rule everything. The Wayword are kind of Nationalistic that way.

Oh, and the twist, Caliph is unaware of his troops methods. He rules from Autumvia Tower, telling his generals his goals, and whatnot while leaving it up to them to devise further strategies and tactics. If he only had a clue... Soon, yes I am going to request one of the bloodthirsty fanatical Generals. One of the ones whose bright idea was this type of conquest.

Oh, and by the way, the Wayword have lost the knowledge of where the Homeworld is, and have no way of contacting them. They don't even know if the Homeworld is still there or if Teifillin destroyed the Marid Homeworld in retaliation, and the Marid Homeworld thinks their MIA/KIA. Hell, the Homeworld considers them fugitives and probably would try capturing them should the two factions ever meet. Because due to their Failure Salahiem is in-charge of how the Collective deals with otherworlders.

But far as the Wayword know, they could be the last Marid, with no chance of more being born for a few eons until one of them matures into a parent gem.

So no, I am not just trolling my way through the universe, there are real good reasons for why the Wayword act teh way the do, without an OOC friend needing my help.


Again, there is a difference between an OOC whim of, "Oh cool idea" and "Oh shi- my OOC friend is in danger let me help"

One is just inspiration, one is metagaming.  You admitted to using your character as a tool to help an OOC friend. This is the opposite of RPing and is treating this RP like its a game. Its a story, and one which I feel like you have grossly disrespected.

You have metagamed, and should face the consequences of such.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on February 28, 2012, 08:54:07 PM
If they are needing slaves so they can reproduce, then why glass a planet full of life?

Also, they would not be truly random. If they should be more likely to attack some planets than others based on stuff such as population.

And as far as me metagaming, I guess by your definition it's true. I AM A METAGAMER AND PROUD!
Seriously, the definition of metagaming your entire argument is based on is the same as the definition of role playing. And yes, I admitted that.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Queen Bright on February 28, 2012, 08:56:17 PM
Oh brother. I say we leave this whole damn argument till Jeebus gets it. He has a good concept of what metagaming is and should solve it.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on February 28, 2012, 08:56:53 PM
If they are needing slaves so they can reproduce, then why glass a planet full of life?

Also, they would not be truly random. If they should be more likely to attack some planets than others based on stuff such as population.

And as far as me metagaming, I guess by your definition it's true. I AM A METAGAMER AND PROUD!
Seriously, the definition of metagaming your entire argument is based on is the same as the definition of role playing. And yes, I admitted that.

I posted they took full samples of the life on the planet.

Also, fair enough.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: UnStellar on February 29, 2012, 01:29:29 PM
Oh brother. I say we leave this whole damn argument till Jeebus gets it. He has a good concept of what metagaming is and should solve it.
I'm pretty sure we should just close this argument altogether, but yeah, I agree with you.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: K2 on February 29, 2012, 03:52:43 PM
Agreed, as it seems we all have different concepts of where the line is drawn on what is and is not metagaming.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Beware Ye Who Enter Here on February 29, 2012, 04:52:17 PM
*pokes head in* Um, hey, guys. Er, well, see, I had a Zarethian Big Game Hunter arrive on Swift's planet before Cap attacked so he's still there from my standpoint since that topic was kinda deadened. Either way, he's there.. or was. And now he'll be calling his contact in the Zarethian government who will send some ships *non military* to investigate the claims of conduct that he'll call... or if he's pretty much dead already by something, someone will be worried and send civi ships.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ghost on February 29, 2012, 05:01:15 PM
Basically what Cap did when you were gone:

Captured a sample of the creatures to enslave(;~;)
Fish-bowled(glass covered) and blew stuff up on the planet to destroy it
Aaaaaaaand gave Avalanche Ice cream :P
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on February 29, 2012, 09:02:33 PM
*pokes head in* Um, hey, guys. Er, well, see, I had a Zarethian Big Game Hunter arrive on Swift's planet before Cap attacked so he's still there from my standpoint since that topic was kinda deadened. Either way, he's there.. or was. And now he'll be calling his contact in the Zarethian government who will send some ships *non military* to investigate the claims of conduct that he'll call... or if he's pretty much dead already by something, someone will be worried and send civi ships.

Well, based on what was posed. It doesn't look like he ever left... so dead?

Do whatever you feel is appropriate IC.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Beware Ye Who Enter Here on March 01, 2012, 03:39:36 PM
Oooookay. The Zarethians will investigate the missing citizen.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on March 01, 2012, 11:50:44 PM
I don't think the entire planet was destroyed in a single barrage of missiles. You can make him survive if you want.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ghost on March 06, 2012, 02:19:11 PM
I have a feeling Jeebus would get his ass over here to settle things :/
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: King Jeebus on March 06, 2012, 02:41:31 PM
Here he comes to save the day.
Genuinely I would say this case is not metagaming as while yes he had an OOC reason to do it (THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART) there was also an IC reason. Metagaming would be if something happened purely for an OOC reason with no real IC reason being shown.
Now if you really wish to push that there being an OOC reason is cause for a metagaming call then really we should look over much of the RP and be nulling stuff left right and center because we have all done things IC for OOC reasons before.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on March 06, 2012, 03:30:16 PM
the main issue I have with Nik is that he didn't present a IC reason or even an arrival section to his post. He just when strait into the attack portion of his post. Personally, unless there is evidence his character was on the planet or have IC knowledge of it before, then his OOC motive is higher than his IC motive. What to me means its metagaming is that just from how he is posting, that he was just rushing to figure out any character that could attack.


He was thinking OOCly that is what makes it metagaming. Instead of thinking about his character, where is character is, what his charter is doing and expressing that, he posted what amounts to an attack only post, without an arrival, adding that later to em is half-baked. Because it started OOCly now if it was an RP OOC reason, which is the kind of reason I think you are talking about Jeebus I'd understand, as in, does this advance the plot, does this action advance the character if it fails this way? Those kind of OOC reasons help develop IC.

However, to me, now matter how much IC there is to back it up the OOC reason to help an OOC friend is unforgivable and does count as metagaming and Nik should not walk away unpunished for such disrespect to Roleplaying as a whole. The fact there there is circumstantial at best IC reasons just makes it worse.


Nik Metagamed, because he tried to help an OOC friend. Period.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on March 06, 2012, 10:55:33 PM
(THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART) there was also an IC reason.
the main issue I have with Nik is that he didn't present a IC reason or even an arrival section to his post.
Cap, stop saying there isn't a reason IC.

Also, don't call my method's half baked because I did not follow your specific format. And disrespect to roleplaying as a whole? I know I'm supposed to be offended by that statement, but it's so over the top and exaggerated that I'm fighting back laughter.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on March 07, 2012, 04:46:44 AM
Its not over the top, here is here the thing. The best IC reason you have is that your character who wasn't even there is that they'd want to save the dying puppies... again since you did not establish they were there to begin with, that is meta. Hell, you didn't even foreshaodw it.

Honestly, I find it insulting to my intelligence to call that an IC reason. However, it doesn't matter at all, the important part was that there was MAJOR OOC AT ALL.

It was extremely meta for you to send a character to help a friend OOCly I care not what IC reason you can muster afterwords. This was metagaming plain and simple.

Had your OOC reason had something to actually with the RP, I might understand Jeebus' point. However, your OOC was that you sent a character to help a friend OOCly. That is SERVER METAGAMING to point that is unforgivable. No amount of IC matters for that and yes, to me I do find it disrespectful roleplaying as a whole.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on March 07, 2012, 05:05:03 PM
You find it insulting to your intelligence to call puppy-saving an IC reason? Let me just say a reason's still a reason, no matter how much you oversimplify it. So don't play that the IC explanation only extends so far as environmentalism.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on March 07, 2012, 05:13:54 PM
You find it insulting to your intelligence to call puppy-saving an IC reason? Let me just say a reason's still a reason, no matter how much you oversimplify it. So don't play that the IC explanation only extends so far as environmentalism.

When your using it as an excuse to help an OOC friend. Damn strait its insulting. Fact is you admitted you came to this topic in part in part to help Yuki. An  OOC friend. Metagaming. plain and simple, it nothing to do with the RP, nothing to do with the plot, nothing to do with continuity. It had nothing to do with OOC reasons that I find stmachable. You metagamed into a topic to help an OOC friend. Unforgivable SERVERE METAGAMING.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ghost on March 11, 2012, 05:29:36 PM
Are we done now? :/ Answer: Most likely not
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on March 11, 2012, 10:01:07 PM
Well, the metagaming issue seems to have been decided in my favor, and I'm guessing the sudden jump to character insults for the focal point of an argument will keep it that way.

HOWEVER

That is not the issue of why we have this topic. The real question was if she could have jumped through the small space of the guard's shoulders.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on March 11, 2012, 10:23:29 PM
Actually no, I have brought up a valid point.


Had the OOC reason had to do with the story or had something to do with keeping nasty plot contradiction from happening, I could understand some OOC reasons.

However, you in part chose to attack with a character to help an OOC friend, in no way is that part of the plot or it is acceptable to say we should start letting people using any IC reason they want to help OOC friends.

METAGAMING, period.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on March 12, 2012, 10:57:00 PM
It's been settled. We were waiting for Jeebus to come in and be our arbitrator (or mediator, I can't quite remember which one is which) and he's made a decision. Lets settle the task at hand:
That is not the issue of why we have this topic. The real question was if she could have jumped through the small space of the guard's shoulders.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on March 13, 2012, 12:27:50 AM
It's been settled. We were waiting for Jeebus to come in and be our arbitrator (or mediator, I can't quite remember which one is which) and he's made a decision. Lets settle the task at hand:
That is not the issue of why we have this topic. The real question was if she could have jumped through the small space of the guard's shoulders.


Actually, no. You see, you metagamed by using your character as a tool to help an OOC friend, no amount of IC excuses justify that. It wasn't RP related OOC, it was pure OOC nonsense. You metagamed, and I have made a clear point on that. Mediation not finished.


Also, no, she could not. Unless she is some kind super anorexic supah freak.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ghost on March 13, 2012, 09:58:22 AM
Actually, no. You see, you metagamed by using your character as a tool to help an OOC friend, no amount of IC excuses justify that. It wasn't RP related OOC, it was pure OOC nonsense. You metagamed, and I have made a clear point on that. Mediation not finished.
I think Nik also forgot to tell you that he needed to use the character anyway. So she wasn't really a tool when I think about it. He just used the invasion as an opportunity for using the character. That being, what I think, one of the reasons why he decided to post there.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on March 13, 2012, 02:38:34 PM
Actually, no. You see, you metagamed by using your character as a tool to help an OOC friend, no amount of IC excuses justify that. It wasn't RP related OOC, it was pure OOC nonsense. You metagamed, and I have made a clear point on that. Mediation not finished.
I think Nik also forgot to tell you that he needed to use the character anyway. So she wasn't really a tool when I think about it. He just used the invasion as an opportunity for using the character. That being, what I think, one of the reasons why he decided to post there.


Again, the fact that it was to help you, in OOC in part means that no I will never accept it as not metagaming. Period.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on March 13, 2012, 05:26:04 PM
Again, the fact that it was to help you, in OOC in part means that no I will never accept it as not metagaming. Period.
Here he comes to save the day.
Genuinely I would say this case is not metagaming as while yes he had an OOC reason to do it (THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART) there was also an IC reason. Metagaming would be if something happened purely for an OOC reason with no real IC reason being shown.
Now if you really wish to push that there being an OOC reason is cause for a metagaming call then really we should look over much of the RP and be nulling stuff left right and center because we have all done things IC for OOC reasons before.
Now, anyway, you've been saying the same thing every post for the last five pages, but Jeebus answered it. It's done. You may be able to call it metagamming, but weather it is or not is for the staff to decide, and   of the staff have ruled it not so.

And anyway, how big are the Marid heads?

Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on March 13, 2012, 05:35:10 PM
The matter is going to a staff vote apparently.


As far as that goes, no, I am not going to debate with you this. Unless she is some kind of 30 pound anorexic freak, she did not fit over their shoulders, nice try.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on March 13, 2012, 06:02:52 PM
It's a crucial factor. If they have tiny heads it's a definite no, and if they have big ones it's an undeniable yes.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on March 14, 2012, 05:00:39 AM
It's a crucial factor. If they have tiny heads it's a definite no, and if they have big ones it's an undeniable yes.

Considering they're Marid. Their heads are as big as they feel like it.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: K2 on March 14, 2012, 04:03:34 PM
Issue will be resolved in a few days, we are voting on the matter.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: K2 on March 17, 2012, 09:44:32 PM
After a staff vote, it has been determined that Nik was not metagaming in this topic.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ghost on April 09, 2012, 08:32:53 PM
I'd call a three day rule, but you know. Locked and stuff
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on April 09, 2012, 09:58:26 PM
I'd call a three day rule, but you know. Locked and stuff

Now its still being debated for the reason of Nik trying to do action that can't be done. He can attempt to get past my guards, but being auto-successful? Hell no.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ghost on April 09, 2012, 11:17:42 PM
After a staff vote, it has been determined that Nik was not metagaming in this topic.
It was already solved Cap
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: @Pokemon Master Red on April 09, 2012, 11:21:45 PM
To be fair, Swift, that isn't what he meant. He's not arguing whether Hik's character is there anymore, he's arguing that the character couldn't do what it did. Different argument.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ghost on April 10, 2012, 09:02:50 AM
OhIsee
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on April 10, 2012, 10:36:45 PM
You still went with it not arguing. Why didn't you respond by saying OOC that I had done something wrong immediately? At this point it feels like you just want to continue the OOC battle that had been until just now resolved, and finally done with.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on April 11, 2012, 01:40:26 PM
You still went with it not arguing. Why didn't you respond by saying OOC that I had done something wrong immediately? At this point it feels like you just want to continue the OOC battle that had been until just now resolved, and finally done with.

Because I cannot take you as a roleplayer seriously, because I do not consider you one anymore.

You cannot jump over my men automatically when they are actively trying to prevent you from doing so.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on April 11, 2012, 05:21:59 PM
I found a loophole. Almost literally.

Likewise, I don't consider you a roleplayer. However it is not because I didn't get what I want, it is because I have never seen you play a role. Now I'm sure we could have a wonderful time having an argument derived from flaming each other, but I'd prefer that not be the case.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on April 12, 2012, 10:50:10 AM
I found a loophole. Almost literally.

Likewise, I don't consider you a roleplayer. However it is not because I didn't get what I want, it is because I have never seen you play a role. Now I'm sure we could have a wonderful time having an argument derived from flaming each other, but I'd prefer that not be the case.

Not a loophole, just that you have no room to do what you did. So as I've said nearly a dozen times, unless your character weights 30 pounds in a wet T-Shirt, there is not enough room between their heads for your character to jump through. You would crash into them at best.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on April 12, 2012, 10:06:13 PM
I love how your description of the weight has gotten lighter and lighter as you've said it more and more...
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on April 13, 2012, 11:05:27 AM
I love how your description of the weight has gotten lighter and lighter as you've said it more and more...

That is for emphasis. Because what you are saying you tried is ridiculous in terms of just "working" You have to roleplay, with me attempting to do that, not just "doing" it. Far as I concerned you godmodded that one.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on April 13, 2012, 05:27:08 PM
I did roleplay. You simply denied what I did IC over and over again. It feels to me that you're just unhappy that I found away around your seemingly perfect trap.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on April 14, 2012, 11:09:01 AM
I did roleplay. You simply denied what I did IC over and over again. It feels to me that you're just unhappy that I found away around your seemingly perfect trap.

No, Nik you structured it in a format that was like an auto-hit, and those cannot work. You ignored the defenses I roleplayed out. You completly ignored my guarded, which would attempt to stop you from jumping over them, period. So trying to automatically jump over them is godmoding.

Hell you even ignored that should you try to jump over, the line of guards behind them would fire their weapons at you, you didn't even once mention being fired upon in your post.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on April 14, 2012, 11:57:57 AM
Of coarse I ignored the gunman. You said that if the 2 in front failed, then they'd open fire. I was going to wait until something actually happened to react. Reacting to a plan that I don't know IC would be metagamming.

And no, it wasn't like an auto hit. I payed close attention to the shield keeping me from jumping a certain height, and the guards blocking every angle. However, if there is something where there is no solution possible, that's godmodding. Even your guards can't legally have no holes in their formula, and thus I exploited one of them. To be fair, you didn't block the area in between their heads.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on April 14, 2012, 12:25:33 PM
Of coarse I ignored the gunman. You said that if the 2 in front failed, then they'd open fire. I was going to wait until something actually happened to react. Reacting to a plan that I don't know IC would be metagamming.

And no, it wasn't like an auto hit. I payed close attention to the shield keeping me from jumping a certain height, and the guards blocking every angle. However, if there is something where there is no solution possible, that's godmodding. Even your guards can't legally have no holes in their formula, and thus I exploited one of them. To be fair, you didn't block the area in between their heads.

An area you would be too big to go through, even then, the moment you past by their head, you would be nearly defenseless as they snagged you.

Hell, you even misunderstood what I meant by locking their arms to block your way. It would cover the spot between their heads....
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ghost on April 14, 2012, 01:04:52 PM
And this ladies and gentlementle men is why you post with detail and stop ignoring each other/skimming over details of sorts.

Cap, when I read "Locking arms" I thought that they locked arms near their sides, not their heads. So, mi scuzi about that. :/
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on April 14, 2012, 07:51:36 PM
And this ladies and gentlementle men is why you post with detail and stop ignoring each other/skimming over details of sorts.

Cap, when I read "Locking arms" I thought that they locked arms near their sides, not their heads. So, mi scuzi about that. :/

Again, not what I meant. Ask before posting what the hell I meant. Hell, why would they lock their arms at their sides when the person is trying to get between their head? Context makes it clear.

However, unless you were planning on trying to knocking down the guards in the process, you cannot simple jump between them.


Totally already left; not to mention this is still being disputed.

Then actually roleplay leaving, because I take that post as an IC my character did nothing. Thus, no defense was posted, my attack works.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on April 16, 2012, 04:48:08 PM
Again, not what I meant. Ask before posting what the hell I meant. Hell, why would they lock their arms at their sides when the person is trying to get between their head? Context makes it clear.
They weren't. The obvious move of Tess' would have been to run in between the soldiers. You're only saying that it was to block the area between their heads now because it's what I've got by with. If you meant it that way all along, why didn't you imediately say that their arms blocked it, rather than there wasn't enough space?

Also, I'm not convince locking your arms like that is possible. Seriously, how? Post a picture of people doing so.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ghost on April 19, 2012, 11:55:10 PM
Yes, tell us how they won't look hysterically ridiculous silly by locking their arms over their heads. If they locked their arms over their heads, you can slip by past the guards from the waist down.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on April 20, 2012, 05:05:14 PM
Yeah, now I seriously want to see this.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ghost on June 06, 2012, 02:05:23 PM
:/ Are we done yet? NOPE
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on June 06, 2012, 05:35:13 PM
I think we are, but if I remember correctly the thing was nulled.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ghost on June 06, 2012, 05:56:53 PM
I never heard that :/
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on June 07, 2012, 10:38:22 PM
Odd, I thought I heard it from you. ?
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ghost on June 07, 2012, 10:53:51 PM
I never said that.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on June 08, 2012, 02:51:57 PM
Its pretty simple, even if they looked silly, as Marid it would be stable. Not nulled -_-
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on June 08, 2012, 06:27:04 PM
Okay, not nulled. But anyway, Cap, what on earth did you just say?
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on June 09, 2012, 04:14:06 PM
As in, just because it would look silly to have their arms locked in such a way it would not disrupt the stability of the formation.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on June 09, 2012, 04:24:18 PM
Looking silly was never an issue! The issue was weather it was possible to, and if so, how. Thus, we asked you to produce a picture of someone doing it.

Also, I'm not convince locking your arms like that is possible. Seriously, how? Post a picture of people doing so.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on June 09, 2012, 04:40:50 PM
is preyy eays to imagine... however, google hates me.

(http://t2.ftcdn.net/jpg/00/22/42/55/400_F_22425545_ZvJKN4Uv2SFHcJqCwhHFoHPnXfEIHsDh.jpg)

Imagine that, but many lock arms in that manner hip to hip.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ghost on June 09, 2012, 08:06:26 PM
That looks Sexual ;D

But seriously, that's a little silly. I kinda sorta want to know if nik's character could jump higher than that with/without magic.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on June 10, 2012, 08:36:15 PM
Swift, Google Parkour. People can do much more than that.

Also, Cap, you also made referance to being able to block the lower bits. That couldn't even block the middle bits effectively. Seriously, I could just duck and run between them with that!

Also, looking at this
And this ladies and gentlementle men is why you post with detail and stop ignoring each other/skimming over details of sorts.

Cap, when I read "Locking arms" I thought that they locked arms near their sides, not their heads. So, mi scuzi about that. :/

Again, not what I meant. Ask before posting what the hell I meant. Hell, why would they lock their arms at their sides when the person is trying to get between their head? Context makes it clear.

However, unless you were planning on trying to knocking down the guards in the process, you cannot simple jump between them.

Anyway, I just noticed a problem with this. I posted that I was jumping over in reaction to your locking of arms. As i remember, you were quite surprised I tried jumping, and even called it impossible unless she was anorexic. I find it hard to believe you were planning this pose in anticipation of me jumping over, and such using this post would be utilizing your favorite word (the one beginning with M).
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ghost on June 10, 2012, 11:14:14 PM
Swift, Google Parkour. People can do much more than that.

Also, Cap, you also made referance to being able to block the lower bits. That couldn't even block the middle bits effectively. Seriously, I could just duck and run between them with that!

Also, looking at this
And this ladies and gentlementle men is why you post with detail and stop ignoring each other/skimming over details of sorts.

Cap, when I read "Locking arms" I thought that they locked arms near their sides, not their heads. So, mi scuzi about that. :/

Again, not what I meant. Ask before posting what the hell I meant. Hell, why would they lock their arms at their sides when the person is trying to get between their head? Context makes it clear.

However, unless you were planning on trying to knocking down the guards in the process, you cannot simple jump between them.

Anyway, I just noticed a problem with this. I posted that I was jumping over in reaction to your locking of arms. As i remember, you were quite surprised I tried jumping, and even called it impossible unless she was anorexic. I find it hard to believe you were planning this pose in anticipation of me jumping over, and such using this post would be utilizing your favorite word (the one beginning with M).
1. WHY DO I NEED TO GOOGLE THAT D:

2. I'm gonna guess the word is Magic.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on June 18, 2012, 04:32:51 PM
Honestly, I don't care anymore. I'd prefer to get back to RPing this topic. So I'll offer a compromise.

You jumped through, but the space space between their head it to small for you not to at least stumble a bit.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on June 18, 2012, 04:58:44 PM
Alright. That is exactly what I said before, so I'll go with it.

But I also want a similar principle to other topics such as Autobots Roll Out. This topic began WAY before magic disappeared, and considering Tess is a magic-oriented character, it would be incredible cheap not to allow it.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ghost on June 18, 2012, 09:55:05 PM
so it's solved? finally...
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Capxeno on June 20, 2012, 04:44:13 PM
Alright. That is exactly what I said before, so I'll go with it.

But I also want a similar principle to other topics such as Autobots Roll Out. This topic began WAY before magic disappeared, and considering Tess is a magic-oriented character, it would be incredible cheap not to allow it.

Considering she's in an AM field... not sure it really matters one way or the other.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ragnar the Red on June 20, 2012, 07:07:48 PM
A mere technicality. I had a plan that involved getting out of the field. Currently she's having to rely on agility, and although she's pretty good in that department, it's only a matter of time for the Marid to take her down as long as she's sitting in there.
Title: Re: OOC: BioSphere Elimination
Post by: Ghost on July 15, 2012, 04:02:36 AM
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Y .
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NO.
SOLVE.
THIS.
YET.