OOC: BioSphere Elimination

[Capxeno]

Why do you keep ignoring the definitive part of that post?

It is you who that is ignoring that you OOC used a character to help a OOC friend. Anything IC offered now is excuses, and from my veiw this is not your first time metagaming in regards to me.

[Ragnar the Red]

And like I said before, what I did to you wasn't metagaming. It was fully in my requested, and approved (until about three days later when Hik contested it), for Cadinae to be able to do that.

That wasn't metagaming. I was completely in my rights in the time, I just misread the post. I mean, seriously, who brings in a superpowered character, does an attack, and then brings them out again in the exact same post? Hold on a minute. That seems oddly familiar...

HOW NOT TO METAGAME...
...Going along with the last one, don't hold back on attacking or doing an action just because you'll know you'll die if your character WOULD do that attack.

This Sliph's choice affair could be considered illeagle, but never by metagaming. It would be straight up godmodding, and as soon as I realized what had happened (and how you had in fact metagamed, though I did not know it counted as metagaming at the time). As soon as I realised the problem, I edited and nulled, so there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to use it as an accusation against me, even if it had been a case of metagaming.

And either way, I really feel I need to do this, even though I get the feeling you'll just give me crap about being it.

to a degree

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That wasn't my only reason for using her. She was a character I had hardly been able used IC, and I needed to use the character rather than have her collecting dust. Had Cap never attacked, I still would have used Tessitura recently, and almost certainly on Arcanthros.

[Capxeno]

As I have said, take the Sliph stuff and drop. Not part of this discussion. However, As far as Sliph's characters goes, he is a make mess, leave, have other characters clean up mess or die. I wasn't even my first post he disappeared in, just the one before you tried to touch him. He left a mess, the fires and the tree, and left, had what he wanted, and he was done with he place. You metagamed the topic on my world, and hell saying you strait up godmodded is even better? Hik did not disprove your request the Damn system for how the SPverse works says how your character is shouldn't have been approved day one.


Regardless, you have admitted to having even a part OOC reason for attaching. The rest? Too bad. Not my problem. The attack is metagaming, an admin has told you so already.

[Ragnar the Red]

An admin who has harassed me OOC since the moment I came to Shattered Planes.

The funny thing is, you brought up the stuff about Sliph just now. And you continued on with it in that post, right after telling me to drop it.

And like I said, I did not metagame on your world. It was fully in my right to steal your memory at the time. The problem lies with me having not touched your character at all. A case for goddmodding, but not metagaming. And yet

Re: Sliph's Choice
? Reply #12 on: January 14, 2012, 11:20:46 PM ?

OOC: Null it

I went back on it. When you proved that I misread the post, I went back on my post. Therefore, it never happened IC. Therefore, I followed the rules IC and OOC. Stop accusing me.

[Capxeno]

An admin who has harassed me OOC since the moment I came to Shattered Planes.

Erm, that just sound like a lot of playing the victim. I know her very well and no she is not harassing you, she is just doing her job as admin, she just more direct about her job then most. Heck, if she wasn't admin chances are this RP would still have Stargate in it, she is one the best, and is definitely a balance force in terms of keep the SPverse consistent.

It was never in your rights, because that ability broke the very foundations of how the RP worked, last time I even tried using such an ability Is got banned.... So, consider yourself blessed. Far as I concerned it was metagaming, powergaming, and godmodding, especial auto-hitting.


In terms of this topic goes, you show up with character, for no better reason than "aww. puppies are dying" when the character has never been here before, never established knowing about this place, and you admitted having his character attack in part, for an OOC reason. Hell, you didn't even do an of an arrival section of your post, just strait on to attack.

Honestly, by your own admission of OOC reason, and the fact the was no IC arrival section, no RP beyond just the attack. Metagaming, You attacked to help an OOC friend. Period. end of story.

[Ragnar the Red]

An admin who has harassed me OOC since the moment I came to Shattered Planes.

I know her very well and no she is not harassing you, she is just doing her job as admin, she just more direct about her job then most.

She called me illiterate for the first six months that I was on SP and kept telling people I was failing art school because I didn't draw folds in a guy's cloths. She's done a good job keeping certain stuff out of the forum, but she has never said anything to me OOC that wasn't hostile or phrased as a command (Ie, post in ______). Things aren't so one sided.

I KNOW IT WAS NEVER IN MY RIGHTS! That is why I went back on it as soon as I found out it actually wasn't. I didn't get punished because it wasn't deliberate. Like I said, back off.

As far as arrival...

Spontaneity has always been a great part of SP. If the Maird could randomly jump to the place, why couldn't Nik's character randomly be there?

If having an OOC relationship with a person you're rping with automatically counts as metagaming, you are completely right.

[Capxeno]

She isn't the easiest person to get along with, so what? If only you knew buddy, if only you knew.

Regardless, you did, good job backing off. However, this damn well is deliberate, you have admitted to it being an OOC attack in part, even in part is metagaming, thus nulled in whole.

If this was a s simple as you and Yuki being friends and your charater just happen to already be on her planet, sure you'd have a point. The point is, no Tessa was not on yuki's planet, never was, and you only posted there now because of the attack and you admitted to it being OOC in part, thus in whole null.

[Ragnar the Red]

It's Tess

And I honestly still don't see why you have the right to instant post, but I don't. What because you were attacking? That's exactly what you've been complaining of me.

Tipped over the edge you might say. The hair that breaks the camel's back. The thing is, a simple hair can't break said back alone. If partial OOC motive for IC action is a case for metagaming, then any IC post the user takes pleasure in is metagaming. Such a case is just as much metagaming as my actions here.

No Cap, it's not that simple. 2 1/2 pages, and you still think this is simple, one sided, and undeveloped? No.

[Capxeno]

I didn't just instant post, I posted, "dropped out of FTL" indicting travel. I also added in RP reasons, they are conquesting random places for their stars, I've devised a method to keep which starts random.

You post, only the attack, and for an OOC friend who just got attacked. I have the luxury of being the topic starter thus having no factor but the arrival attack itself for the topic, you have to figure out how and why you are in the topic, and not just, "ooppsie, I am here" Even then, you wouldn't instantly know what is going on. You need a better reason than "aww, puppies are dying" to randomly show up and attack, when far as I am concerned since there is no post saying tess was there, she was not there before.

This is  a simple case of metagaming, and everything you say against that as you have admitted to it, is excuses to metagaming to help an OOC friend.

 

[Ragnar the Red]

I posted teleportation. I posted how I got in your ship.

As far as being knowing what's going on, seeing a giant fleet of warships coming toward a tribal planet armed and ready begin firing torpedoes...
Yeah, no way to know if they're attacking or not!

Anyway, my being here was no accident IC. I've provided a reason, so that theory is out the window.

No Cap, it's not that simple. 2 1/2 pages, and you still think this is simple, one sided, and undeveloped? No.

[Capxeno]

Again, you provided one after having an OOC reason. Its metagaming plain and simple. Excuses.

You didn't bothing posting any of that til your second post, and even then, you did not post your reasons. It is established she was not there before the attack, and that you posted in part to help an OOC, friend. Far as I see it, you made up all the IC bull to help an OOC friend.

You are metagaming. Simple as that, rest save it. It is excuses.

[Ragnar the Red]

You didn't bothing posting any of that til your second post, and even then, you did not post your reasons. It is established she was not there before the attack, and that you posted in part to help an OOC, friend. Far as I see it, you made up all the IC bull to help an OOC friend.

...No it isn't. It was never established that she wasn't there before the attack. I already told you that she was on Arcanthros touring the universe. A beutiful, scenic nature area? And as far as my "confession" goes, the IC explanations came first.

[Queen Bright]

You didn't bothing posting any of that til your second post, and even then, you did not post your reasons. It is established she was not there before the attack, and that you posted in part to help an OOC, friend. Far as I see it, you made up all the IC bull to help an OOC friend.

...No it isn't. It was never established that she wasn't there before the attack. I already told you that she was on Arcanthros touring the universe. A beutiful, scenic nature area? And as far as my "confession" goes, the IC explanations came first.

What your missing for that IC reason is proof. You posted she was there AFTER not before. Had you shown your character there it would not be metagaming. But you had her appear after the attack. What would have saved you had you made a flashback post of arriving there. But the post you did is not a flashback it's an attempt at 'having been there already'. Thus. METAGAMING.

[Ragnar the Red]

What have we here?

_ADDED:
Going back to the subject of I having OOC reasoning behind the attack, your entire motivation for Arcanthros was OOC. You admitted it when Swift accused it of you, but you covered it up like it was nothing.

[UnStellar]

I think this is bullshit and should no longer be an issue. I think you both are just pissed because someone's actually doing something against you two. Nik hasn't done anything wrong.

[K2]

What he said.

[Ghost]

What he said.

You're vague

[Capxeno]

I think this is bullshit and should no longer be an issue. I think you both are just pissed because someone's actually doing something against you two. Nik hasn't done anything wrong.

No, I am irked someone is metagaming. Even has gone as far to admit it. There is no defense against that. Nik metagamed plain and simple, he attacked and used his character as a tool to help an OOC friend.

As far as what Yuki said about dice, I've explained it as my way of ensuring I keep the Wayword's mad random conqeusting... random. No metagaming in it, or DnD dice rolls would be meta.

Again, Nik metagamed his way into the topic, any excuses to stay are just that. Excuses.

[K2]

Yes, that may be so, but that doesn't excuse all the aggressiveness stemming from this topic. Besides, he gave an IC motive for an OOC action, and don't anyone give me BS about how that's metagaming, roleplaying is about acting on an OOC whim, but giving an IC reasoning to your whim. Otherwise, there would be no authors needed to write the story.

[Capxeno]

Yes, that may be so, but that doesn't excuse all the aggressiveness stemming from this topic. Besides, he gave an IC motive for an OOC action, and don't anyone give me BS about how that's metagaming, roleplaying is about acting on an OOC whim, but giving an IC reasoning to your whim. Otherwise, there would be no authors needed to write the story.

Again, using a character to help a OOC friend is using a character as a tool. This should not be tolerated if he wrote a masterpiece of an IC excuse.

He metagamed and should be treated accordingly.

[Ragnar the Red]

What is the IC reason behind the random attacks? I mean, as is it just looks like an excuse.

and ironically I can answer this statement

Again, using a character to help a OOC friend is using a character as a tool. This should not be tolerated if he wrote a masterpiece of an IC excuse.

with this one

Yes, that may be so, but that doesn't excuse all the aggressiveness stemming from this topic. Besides, he gave an IC motive for an OOC action, and don't anyone give me BS about how that's metagaming, roleplaying is about acting on an OOC whim, but giving an IC reasoning to your whim. Otherwise, there would be no authors needed to write the story.

Seriously, the definition of metagaming your entire argument is based on is the same as the definition of role playing. And yes, I admitted that.

[Capxeno]

I've explained many times why the Wayword act the way they do. They are not just attacking randomly for the sake of attacking randomly. the reasons? Honestly, you just have to think for half a second, but if I must I'll explain.

The Wayword do not have a Parent Gem, as in they cannot reproduce. They need slaves if they are going to continue expanding, that is why the don't just hit uninhabited systems but ones that have potential slaves, for labor that soon they will not have the numbers to do themselves, additionally, yes they want to expand their network of Dyson Spheres. Why are they hell bent on expanding? They have the dangerous combination of a hellbent thirst for knowledge and the belief that its not just their right but their duty to rule everything. The Wayword are kind of Nationalistic that way.

Oh, and the twist, Caliph is unaware of his troops methods. He rules from Autumvia Tower, telling his generals his goals, and whatnot while leaving it up to them to devise further strategies and tactics. If he only had a clue... Soon, yes I am going to request one of the bloodthirsty fanatical Generals. One of the ones whose bright idea was this type of conquest.

Oh, and by the way, the Wayword have lost the knowledge of where the Homeworld is, and have no way of contacting them. They don't even know if the Homeworld is still there or if Teifillin destroyed the Marid Homeworld in retaliation, and the Marid Homeworld thinks their MIA/KIA. Hell, the Homeworld considers them fugitives and probably would try capturing them should the two factions ever meet. Because due to their Failure Salahiem is in-charge of how the Collective deals with otherworlders.

But far as the Wayword know, they could be the last Marid, with no chance of more being born for a few eons until one of them matures into a parent gem.

So no, I am not just trolling my way through the universe, there are real good reasons for why the Wayword act teh way the do, without an OOC friend needing my help.


Again, there is a difference between an OOC whim of, "Oh cool idea" and "Oh shi- my OOC friend is in danger let me help"

One is just inspiration, one is metagaming.  You admitted to using your character as a tool to help an OOC friend. This is the opposite of RPing and is treating this RP like its a game. Its a story, and one which I feel like you have grossly disrespected.

You have metagamed, and should face the consequences of such.

[Ragnar the Red]

If they are needing slaves so they can reproduce, then why glass a planet full of life?

Also, they would not be truly random. If they should be more likely to attack some planets than others based on stuff such as population.

And as far as me metagaming, I guess by your definition it's true. I AM A METAGAMER AND PROUD!

Seriously, the definition of metagaming your entire argument is based on is the same as the definition of role playing. And yes, I admitted that.

[Queen Bright]

Oh brother. I say we leave this whole damn argument till Jeebus gets it. He has a good concept of what metagaming is and should solve it.

[Capxeno]

If they are needing slaves so they can reproduce, then why glass a planet full of life?

Also, they would not be truly random. If they should be more likely to attack some planets than others based on stuff such as population.

And as far as me metagaming, I guess by your definition it's true. I AM A METAGAMER AND PROUD!

Seriously, the definition of metagaming your entire argument is based on is the same as the definition of role playing. And yes, I admitted that.

I posted they took full samples of the life on the planet.

Also, fair enough.