Author Topic: OOC: BioSphere Elimination (Read 6097 times)

Queen Bright · « **on:** February 21, 2012, 10:00:21 PM »

Was asked to look at this topic...

...Um Nik, seriously? Why the fuck would the Magnificent Mages be there in a ship that they have NO way whatsoever to teleport into? Hello! METAGAMING!

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #1 on:** February 21, 2012, 10:33:33 PM »

My exact post I had written out:
OOC: Not necessarily. It's not like she's fat, super muscular, or clumsy. She's jumping sideways feet first. If she hits herself on the way, she'll just have a to get her balance for an extra second afterward.

Tess turned her head and braced for the attacks of the soldiers upon landing behind the

Also, she's not Magnificent mages. They broke up, and since then she's been touring the universe.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #2 on:** February 21, 2012, 10:34:30 PM »

That doesn't mean you can say "poof I'm in your ship."

Like wtf? It's his ship why the fuck would she be in a ship of a race she doesn't even know. That makes NO sense.

Capxeno · « **Reply #3 on:** February 21, 2012, 10:40:26 PM »

Is she anorexic? Unless in art terms her entire body fits in less than one Head of a space she'd knock into the field.

Also, has there before this, been any posts before that's she's had tours on a Tribal animalalistic planet with no venues for her to preform at. Its seems meta for her to be ehre at all, if this was like, K City, or New Westhot, or Pleasure Planet maybe this character even being at this location would make sense.

My issue is that her even being here is metagaming to me, and I do not see a good IC reason for her to be here. There are issues with her approach should she had a good reason to be here, like the first version of her teleport was GM'ding but that was solved between you and me. However, why in the heck is she even on a planet with nothing, nothing for this character to even be staying at to practice her craft as a musician, nor was there a post far as I know saying she was lost here.

UnStellar · « **Reply #4 on:** February 21, 2012, 10:44:59 PM »

Because you're attacking our good friend for no good reason. Lay off Nik you two.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #5 on:** February 21, 2012, 10:46:51 PM »

What? We're not saying he has no right to be there. We're saying Nik OUT OF NOWHERE appeared in one of Cap's ships which is character would DEFINITELY not be in.

And good friend? Unless it's IN-CHARACTER that does not matter. OOC should not affect IC or it is metagaming. Defending your OOC friends? M-E-T-A-G-A-M-I-N-G!

Ghost · « **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2012, 10:47:53 PM »

Quote from: UnStellar on February 21, 2012, 10:44:59 PM

Because you're attacking our good friend for no good reason. Lay off Nik you two.

If you're referring to me, Cap rolled Dice ~~derp~~

UnStellar · « **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2012, 10:52:26 PM »

Quote from: ~Hikaru on February 21, 2012, 10:46:51 PM

What? We're not saying he has no right to be there. We're saying Nik OUT OF NOWHERE appeared in one of Cap's ships which is character would DEFINITELY not be in.

And good friend? Unless it's IN-CHARACTER that does not matter. OOC should not affect IC or it is metagaming. Defending your OOC friends? M-E-T-A-G-A-M-I-N-G!

It's called loyalty. The Magnificent Mages have always been galaxy travelers and explorers. I don't see any reason why a former MM member wouldn't check out a new planet he/she hasn't seen before.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #8 on:** February 21, 2012, 10:56:58 PM »

That makes sense. Under an attack though? No. He should have posted BEFORE the attack then. Right now he's just metagaming to help OOC.

Capxeno · « **Reply #9 on:** February 21, 2012, 10:58:16 PM »

The Wayword are current on a bit of a French style suicidal conquest spree, the dice thing is my way of keeping it random and slightly fair. I understand Yuki is your friend, however that is not a reason to send your characters to defend unless they had an IC reason to, a good one. Far as I can see, Nik's characters has no reason to be on my ship, much less this system. Mine needs no more than they are are out to build Dyson spheres and sample and destroy entire ecosystems.

The only planet they would not do this to is Autumvania, and that is out of gratitude and feeling as if they are equals.

Again OOC loyalty should have no affect IC, and even if the MM are explorers , unless they had previously posted, for the same reason police are not allowed to investigate their own children's murders its pretty obvious that Nik post that as a defense, there was no exploration post before hand, thus no does not count.

UnStellar · « **Reply #10 on:** February 21, 2012, 11:57:39 PM »

Spontaneity has always been a great part of SP. If the Maird could randomly jump to the place, why couldn't Nik's character randomly be there?

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #11 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:35:13 PM »

Metagaming Definition
"In role-playing games, metagaming can be defined as any out of character action made by a player's character which makes use of knowledge that the character is not meant to be aware of. (Metagaming while taking part in relatively competitive games, or those with a more serious tone, is typically not well received, because a character played by a metagamer does not act in a way that reflects the character's in-game experiences and back-story.)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming_%28role-playing_games%29

I have yet to use OOC knowledge to the benefit of Tessitura. I have yet to use IC knowledge not acquired by Tessitura with Tessitura. I did help Swift out of friendship to a degree, but if being friends OOC is undisputable grounds for Metagaming, then I can say without a doubt that most of Shattered's IC battles from day one are metagamers. I fail to see why this rule only applies to me.

Also, touring the galaxy doesn't necessarily mean a concert tour. Tessitura is touring the galaxy the regular way, by going on a vacation to see the worlds. She was on the world, seeing nature. I mean, seriously, why insist on making her so one sided? Do you want me to make tools for characters? As much as you might like that, that's never happening. If you have a problem with a seventeen year old girl unhappy with the idea of killing puppies (all be it alien equivalents of puppies) then just stop trying to psychoanalyze characters.

And no, she's not anorexic. Dieting could fit the character, but I never thought of that. She is ectomorphic though. And i never said she wouldn't hit the sheild, but if she hits the sheild, it doesn't just automatically reset her position. She'll bounce off it like it were a wall, and only bounce back in if the shield were surrounding the Marid soldiers. And no, you can't just decide it was shaped like an upside down bowl all along. Well, I mean, maybe you could if your entire attack on Helios were nulled due to my claim that it was metagaming for Sliph to see the world, but I think we may just have to go with precedent at this point.

Quote from: UnStellar on February 21, 2012, 11:57:39 PM

Spontaneity has always been a great part of SP. If the Maird could randomly jump to the place, why couldn't Nik's character randomly be there?

Unstellar's right. Contesting this is like saying certain rules only apply to certain people. Why do I have to get shoveled under? However if it's that important to you I'll go post in an earlier topic...

Capxeno · « **Reply #12 on:** February 22, 2012, 09:10:56 PM »

Quote from: Sir Nik the I- Prince of Fishies (and Cows) on February 22, 2012, 08:35:13 PM

I did help Swift out of friendship to a degree

Here is the problem, you just stated that you put her there out of an OOC friendship, that is metagaming. Also, all of this as her view nature, or helping puppies? You did not put anything about that in the post, none of the reason of there, just the attack, and the fact you admit that you had an OOC reason means metagaming. You should have established in the post why she was there before hand, or at least hinted to it, no you started with that attack. Also, not trying to narrow the character, however you gave no reasons whatsoever, and when you are posting, for OOC reasons you admitted to, you damn well need a very, very good IC reason to not be metagaming. Far as I see it you just admitted to your reasons for being here being a meta reason

Since mine is an invading fleet, my entire attack pretty much explains my reason for being there, and I have methods to keep it fair, so that I never attack something for a personal reason.

As far as the whole shield thing, what annoyed me was that you ignored it for a reason that made no sense whatsoever, I don't particularly care how she hits it, but by her own actions its kind of cause and effect.

The stuff about Sliph? Save it, that was dealt with in that topic, and you know very well why your planet was found, not related.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #13 on:** February 22, 2012, 09:36:56 PM »

It's not metagaming if there is an IC reason. Period. Every IC action can be linked to an OOC motive. I'm just brave enough to admit it. I have an IC reason, so it can't be metagaming.

You assume that the only reason I posted there was my friendship with Swift. If you want to get through this, don't just dismiss whole catigories of reason just because it doesn't fit your argument.

And that is a problem. If your writing lacks any and all emotion you have no place in an RP. I know that sounds harsh, but it's the truth. If you can't feel, you can only troll.

Quote from: Sir Nik the I- Prince of Fishies (and Cows) on February 21, 2012, 10:33:33 PM

OOC: Not necessarily. It's not like she's fat, super muscular, or clumsy. She's jumping sideways feet first. If she hits herself on the way, she'll just have a to get her balance for an extra second afterward.

The stuff about Sliph? Completely relevant, in the context of the paragraph.

Capxeno · « **Reply #14 on:** February 22, 2012, 09:53:39 PM »

Again, you did not present that IC reason in your post, you went straight onto your attack as if you character had been there the whole time, not even in into paragraph, and you used this character as a tool to help an friend for OOC reasons. I kept a very, very ridged separation of OOC and IC.

Honestly, if you were going to post with her on this planet for IC reasons, that had nothing to do with my attack, witch you responded to for OOC reasons, you would have done so already. You did not, and you admitted to meatgaming, justify all you want, you have made my point loud and clear.

I have characters who are emotional, and those who are not, those who nearly lack, those who truly lack, and those who are very emotional. I do not roleplay just evil characters, nor to I play just good ones. During the False Heaven I destroyed it with one character and was helping out the survivors with another, I am by no means a troll on this forum. Hell, the topic the it was destroyed with was a situation which I had to handle just getting RP rights with the char, so it went where it went, with a ball already rolling.

Again, considering they are attempting to apprehend her in that post, that extra second would cost her freedom.

Bottom line is, you metagamed into the topic, you are now trying to justify yourself for being there, but you are here because your friend was being attacked. OOC reasons. Metagaming. I wonder if there's a rule on that. Hell, this isn't the first time you've metagamed on me, you metagamed knowing Sliph name, you metagamed a topic on the Marid Homeworld, So, I am sorry if I am getting a little tired of it.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #15 on:** February 22, 2012, 10:26:49 PM »

It's metagaming.

Example Metagaming:

1. Helping an OOC friend IC just because they're your OOC friend is metagaming. Unless your characters are friends or you have a damn good reason to be there, it is metagaming.

2. Building a defense IC (having your characters/race/empire prepare) because someone told you OOC they were going to attack you. The only thing this doesn't include is creating new technology for the attack if it is to DEFEND because you can say you've always had the tech. The ONLY tech that would be metagaming in that situation would be if you specifically went over their tech and build a tech that directly combats that piece of tech being used against you.

3.Joining your empires together in allies JUST because you're friends OOC if your empires would otherwise never do so.

4. PROTECTING an OOC friend just because they're your friend. (Aser and his damn shadow.)

5. Having your character know something you OOC know but your character shouldn't.

6. Having all your characters be friends when they would naturally be enemies or hate one another due to their personalities (Hawkeye -.-)

HOW NOT TO METAGAME

Fight yourself if your characters would fight, don't just ignore that fact if they meet.

Have your empires separate unless the CHARACTERS themselves are allies and have a reason to be allies.

Always play to your characters personalities not your own. If you're having a bad day OOC? TOO BAD! That doesn't mean to go find excuses to attack whoever you're mad at IC when your character would normally not have a reason to do so.

Going along with the last one, don't hold back on attacking or doing an action just because you'll know you'll die if your character WOULD do that attack.

Don't appear on a planet that your character would be unable to get to or even know about just because there's an attack on your friend or something YOU WANT TO BE INCLUDED IN.

You are your character in a Roleplay. You are limited to what your character knows when you are your character. Your character is themself, you only breathe life into them.

Capxeno · « **Reply #16 on:** February 22, 2012, 10:46:00 PM »

Quote from: Sir Nik the I- Prince of Fishies (and Cows) on February 22, 2012, 10:41:24 PM

A teenage girl with long blond hair sat in a tree watching the wildlife below. A cute little creature was leading a row of cute little babies. She sat back, and looked at the small ship she had come in. The air was so peaceful and calm. What could go wrong?

Nice try.

Last time I check, no, SP does not work on fluid time. Based on Up a creek without a paddle, the area you are in is covered in deadly toxic and hot ash and most of the planet is already glassed. So, no, no dice.

Ghost · « **Reply #17 on:** February 22, 2012, 11:15:55 PM »

Hikaru has repitition going whether she knows if or not. Mainly this: OOC Realtions can't Work IC unless their characters are friends IC(which was reworded like 4 times)

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #18 on:** February 22, 2012, 11:20:05 PM »

What makes it a metagaming is not the OOC, but the lack of IC. If there is an IC reason, then it is not metagaming. I used Tessitura in the post because she was the only character who I could explain being there IC. And I have explained to you what she is doing there. Your basis of accusation relies on the fact that both Swift and I are friends, and that I admitted we are. However, you yourself Hik, in your last post outlined how it's not metagaming.

Quote from: ~Hikaru on February 22, 2012, 10:26:49 PM

1. Helping an OOC friend IC just because they're your OOC friend is metagaming. Unless your characters are friends or you have a damn good reason to be there, it is metagaming.

Well, the fact is I do have a good reason. And it's IC rather than OOC.

Also, the phrase Just because pulls me out of this one. The reasoning goes beyond just helping Swift.

And for goodness sakes Hik, you're the only one who still beleives that because our IC lores connect that it's an example of metagaming.

If either of you want to complain that I didn't fully develop it to your complete and utter beaten over the head liking in the actual topic, then complain to Hik for locking it.

Quote from: ~Hikaru on February 22, 2012, 10:26:49 PM

Don't appear on a planet that your character would be unable to get to or even know about just because there's an attack on your friend or something YOU WANT TO BE INCLUDED IN.

Because I haven't explained how she got there three or four times already.

Quote from: ~Hikaru on February 22, 2012, 10:26:49 PM

You are your character in a Roleplay. You are limited to what your character knows when you are your character. Your character is themself, you only breathe life into them.[/b

Thank you for recapping my definition of Metagaming a few posts back. Here's my answer:

Quote from: Sir Nik the I- Prince of Fishies (and Cows) on February 22, 2012, 08:35:13 PM

I have yet to use OOC knowledge to the benefit of Tessitura. I have yet to use IC knowledge not acquired by Tessitura with Tessitura. I did help Swift out of friendship to a degree, but if being friends OOC is undisputable grounds for Metagaming, then I can say without a doubt that most of Shattered's IC battles from day one are metagamers. I fail to see why this ~~rule~~ only applies to me.

Substitute rule with definition. It fits what I was saying better.

Cap, an extra second would cost her her freedom if it were an extra second in front of them. However the extra second of recovery time is when she hits the ground behind them, is in fact behind them, and the guards need an extra second as well to turn around+ reaction time to her jumping over in the first place.

Quote from: Capxeno on February 22, 2012, 09:53:39 PM

Honestly, if you were going to post with her on this planet for IC reasons, that had nothing to do with my attack, witch you responded to for OOC reasons, you would have done so already. You did not, and you admitted to meatgaming, justify all you want, you have made my point loud and clear.

Yes, my IC reasons for being there had nothing to do with the attack! Haven't you been listening? Well, I guess not given the second part of that statement.

Quote from: Capxeno on February 22, 2012, 09:53:39 PM

Bottom line is, you metagamed into the topic, you are now trying to justify yourself for being there, but you are here because your friend was being attacked. OOC reasons. Metagaming. I wonder if there's a rule on that. Hell, this isn't the first time you've metagamed on me, you metagamed knowing Sliph name, you metagamed a topic on the Marid Homeworld, So, I am sorry if I am getting a little tired of it.

That wasn't metagaming. I was completely in my rights in the time, I just misread the post. I mean, seriously, who brings in a superpowered character, does an attack, and then brings them out again in the exact same post? Hold on a minute. That seems oddly familiar...

Quote from: ~Hikaru on February 22, 2012, 10:26:49 PM

HOW NOT TO METAGAME...

...Going along with the last one, don't hold back on attacking or doing an action just because you'll know you'll die if your character WOULD do that attack.

To Swift's comment
No, it doesn't have to be limited to friends IC. That's just childish saying that the only way using a character in a topic not on your own soil is if they're friends? No! Actually listen to my claims! Stop rewording the same thing so I cabn stop explaining over and over and over and over...

But Hikaru, I do have to thank you for something (not being sarcastic)

Quote from: ~Hikaru on February 22, 2012, 10:26:49 PM

6. Having all your characters be friends when they would naturally be enemies or hate one another due to their personalities (Hawkeye -.-)

Ghost · « **Reply #19 on:** February 22, 2012, 11:37:45 PM »

Quote

To Swift's comment
No, it doesn't have to be limited to friends IC. That's just childish saying that the only way using a character in a topic not on your own soil is if they're friends? No! Actually listen to my claims! Stop rewording the same thing so I cabn stop explaining over and over and over and over...

Just saying what hik said four times, minus the repitition.

:/

Capxeno · « **Reply #20 on:** February 22, 2012, 11:43:24 PM »

Quote from: Sir Nik the I- Prince of Fishies (and Cows) on February 22, 2012, 08:35:13 PM

I did help Swift out of friendship to a degree

The rest is IC excuses for a completely meta post.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #21 on:** February 23, 2012, 12:00:01 AM »

Just because you have an IC reason doesn't mean it's not metagaming if your motive was originally OOC. YOUR wants/desires and such do not matter to your character. It is the characters personality and THEIR WANTS that affect IC NOT yours. If your motive is OOC and you make up an IC excuse then you are not playing true to your character and the IC situation. You are simply wanting to help an OOC friend and MAKING UP a reason later.

When I say you need a damn good reason, I mean a pre-emptive reason. Not a post-reason.

If you do make up an IC reason for an OOC motive you are using your character as a tool for that motive, plain and simple.

METAGAMING

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #22 on:** February 23, 2012, 05:23:43 PM »

Because IC motive makes your character a tool...

And what you're saying is not true. Like I said, I had Tessitura in the post because it fits her character. It would fit her desires. Had I used someone else, such as Salgren or Johnson, then you'd be right, and I would be metagaming. However I had a reason going in there, and was able to give it to you the same day as my initial post.

Capxeno · « **Reply #23 on:** February 23, 2012, 09:07:18 PM »

Quote from: Sir Nik the I- Prince of Fishies (and Cows) on February 22, 2012, 08:35:13 PM

I did help Swift out of friendship to a degree

Not when for a OOC reason you looked over you charterers for an IC excuse to fight here, and even then you just went straight to the attack part of the post. Even I put a line or a half about arriving.

Metagaming.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #24 on:** February 23, 2012, 09:45:04 PM »

Why do you keep ignoring the definitive part of that post?