Author Topic: Why are we here? (Read 1164 times)

Admiral Regis Hermitage · « **on:** July 04, 2010, 06:05:15 AM »

Well its odd that i whould post this again...(And posibly be on the other side this time) but it kinda gets at me...Why are we here? Are we the product of Evolution or somthing much larger...either way it still bothers me not knowing.

UnStellar · « **Reply #1 on:** July 04, 2010, 10:25:46 AM »

Personally, I believe in a creator. Evolution seems completely bogus, reincarnation and Karma a little too... Balanced and weird. To me, that leaves God.

Is it really so hard to believe in a spirit realm? In God?

Nisorin · « **Reply #2 on:** July 04, 2010, 11:41:57 PM »

Obviously something created us. Everything has to have a beginning in order to exist. Evolution does make sense, whether you like the idea of previously having been a monkey or not. I personally don't believe in any of the existing religions I've heard about, as they all contradict themselves too much to be reasonable. Especially Christianity and all its variants; they all say we were created in God's image, and yet look at all the differences between us all, both physically and mentally, even at birth. It simply doesn't make sense.

UnStellar · « **Reply #3 on:** July 05, 2010, 01:41:40 PM »

"In God's image" Means we were designed and created by God, NOT that we were made to look exactly like God.

I try to be as open as possible to Evolution. However, it just doesn't add up.

K2 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 05, 2010, 05:06:48 PM »

Quote from: UnStellar on July 05, 2010, 01:41:40 PM

"In God's image" Means we were designed and created by God, NOT that we were made to look exactly like God.

I try to be as open as possible to Evolution. However, it just doesn't add up.

Same here, I believe in God (The Christian God). Logically, historically, and spiritually it all adds up to God. Yes, much of my religion is based on faith, but I DO have faith in God. We are here because God created us; As a result of our own free will, we have sinned. Not that the free will is to blame, for without free will we'd be merely puppets. It just makes sense to me that we were created by God, and Christianity is my religion, it's what I believe.

Admiral Regis Hermitage · « **Reply #5 on:** July 05, 2010, 06:00:42 PM »

In in addition to discredit evolution...if evolution did exist then wouldnt all stages be showing? Wouldnt there be a monkey, (Somthing Inbetween), and then humans.all showing in the world.

K2 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 05, 2010, 07:37:21 PM »

Exactly, L_Rage. And surely we'd know if such was happening, for we have recorded writings from times in history dating back over a thousand years.

Nisorin · « **Reply #7 on:** July 06, 2010, 02:22:46 AM »

Evolution is not a quick process. Biological evolution happens over tens of thousands of years. It is a slow, gradual process that occurs through individual genetic mutations every few generations.

And faith in something with so many contradictions is, no offense meant, laughable. Why would you believe something that contradicts itself so incredibly often? You say you believe logically in something that makes no sense? That's some pretty bad logic you've got there.

When someone says something about something being in something else's image, it does indeed mean appearance. Image is appearance.

And no, not all stages would be showing, but just because we haven't explicitly found something doesn't mean it doesn't or didn't exist. You guys, considering your religious states, should know that better than anyone.

I see nothing, not a single thing so far, that religion has explained with absolutely zero contradictions that science does not. I'm not saying that we weren't created by something, as we obviously were in the very, very very beginning of life. But there's no proof at all that we were created by some omnipotent thing that likes to contradict itself every chance it gets.

@Pokemon Master Red · « **Reply #8 on:** July 06, 2010, 02:26:16 AM »

...Im staying faaaaaaaaaaaar out of this dispute...Far as Im concerned, we could all have been manufactured a few minutes ago as some new reality and merely have implanted memories, complete with a full history of this new world. Doesn't make much difference to me, seeing as we're here now. XP

Shanghai Alice · « **Reply #9 on:** July 06, 2010, 02:45:36 AM »

Quote from: Pokemon Master Red on July 06, 2010, 02:26:16 AM

...Im staying faaaaaaaaaaaar out of this dispute...Far as Im concerned, we could all have been manufactured a few minutes ago as some new reality and merely have implanted memories, complete with a full history of this new world. Doesn't make much difference to me, seeing as we're here now. XP

I thought about that a few years ago, except for we are all recreated every single second, in the same way.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #10 on:** July 06, 2010, 02:49:21 AM »

I have a long, long response to this...but as it will involve quoted scriptures, and brochures, and delving into Jehovahs Witness beliefs, I'll save you all the trouble. As I know it'll start a large debate, between K2 especially. And flames from the atheists.

Shanghai Alice · « **Reply #11 on:** July 06, 2010, 02:51:15 AM »

Completely serious explanation:

We were all created by Yukari Yakumo.

@Pokemon Master Red · « **Reply #12 on:** July 06, 2010, 02:51:48 AM »

...Hik, I assure you that not all atheists would flame you, or anyone else about your beliefs...>_<
In fact, I dont think there are that many here, considering the low number of people actually here...

Admiral Regis Hermitage · « **Reply #13 on:** July 06, 2010, 03:36:47 AM »

Fuck it...We [Humans] have basically seen every inch of this fucking planet. We would have found ALL stages of evolution...or at least something in between monkeys [Shit slinging primates] and Humans [Intellegent lifeforms]... Please someone contradict me

@Pokemon Master Red · « **Reply #14 on:** July 06, 2010, 03:41:29 AM »

Well, who's to say what IS the in-between stage, hmm?
Thats the question.

Admiral Regis Hermitage · « **Reply #15 on:** July 06, 2010, 03:46:23 AM »

a talking monkey perhaps?

Zero · « **Reply #16 on:** July 06, 2010, 04:14:02 AM »

Evolution is bogus. Creation is the only way that it could have occurred. There are a lot of holes in the big bang theory and also the theory of evolution and if you read in the bible it says animals produce according to THEIR OWN KIND. They don't transspecies reproduce. Fish can't go on dry land without perishing after a few minutes.

Orph · « **Reply #17 on:** July 06, 2010, 04:28:10 AM »

Quote from: ShadowHawk on July 06, 2010, 04:14:02 AM

Evolution is bogus. Creation is the only way that it could have occurred. There are a lot of holes in the big bang theory and also the theory of evolution and if you read in the bible it says animals produce according to THEIR OWN KIND. They don't transspecies reproduce. Fish can't go on dry land without perishing after a few minutes.

So? Me seeing a Liger is just the Devil trying to pull me to hell? Or is it just weird that I've seen a dog fucking a rabbit? The fish comments reveals you don't understand evolution at all, and fuck you I'm not a damned science Teacher.

I am totally fine with Red's post, arguing about all of this is entirely pointless as there are limitless possibilities. The odds that any one of use has the right idea..is astronomical.

Admiral Regis Hermitage · « **Reply #18 on:** July 06, 2010, 05:13:11 AM »

Quote from: ShadowHawk on July 06, 2010, 04:14:02 AM

Evolution is bogus. Creation is the only way that it could have occurred. There are a lot of holes in the big bang theory and also the theory of evolution and if you read in the bible it says animals produce according to THEIR OWN KIND. They don't transspecies reproduce. Fish can't go on dry land without perishing after a few minutes.

or minutes for that matter...

Now im not exactaly a devout christian (Havent been in a church in 2 years) but could it just be that there is somthing that cant be exsplained by science? Can we exsplain why humans have free will to do and choose their own path and choices?

@Pokemon Master Red · « **Reply #19 on:** July 06, 2010, 12:55:49 PM »

Alright, I lied, but Im gonna try to help wrap this up.
DISCLAIMER:As you may have guessed, I myself am atheist. Im merely very open with letting others believe in their own religions and such, and this is just a hypothesis of mine of how it may have happened, assuming that there actually IS a god, and that Im wrong. XP

Alright, then, you know how they say that evolution had happened, just like that, while creationists say that there is no chance that it did?
Well, evolution had to be started by SOMETHING, right? Who's to say that the creation merely took a couple billion years before it all came to this, eh?
Assuming that there is a god, I'd be more than willing to think that he/she/it was the whole thing that started evolution in the first place.

K2 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 06, 2010, 01:01:07 PM »

Quote from: Nisorin on July 06, 2010, 02:22:46 AM

Evolution is not a quick process. Biological evolution happens over tens of thousands of years. It is a slow, gradual process that occurs through individual genetic mutations every few generations.

And faith in something with so many contradictions is, no offense meant, laughable. Why would you believe something that contradicts itself so incredibly often? You say you believe logically in something that makes no sense? That's some pretty bad logic you've got there.

When someone says something about something being in something else's image, it does indeed mean appearance. Image is appearance.

And no, not all stages would be showing, but just because we haven't explicitly found something doesn't mean it doesn't or didn't exist. You guys, considering your religious states, should know that better than anyone.

I see nothing, not a single thing so far, that religion has explained with absolutely zero contradictions that science does not. I'm not saying that we weren't created by something, as we obviously were in the very, very very beginning of life. But there's no proof at all that we were created by some omnipotent thing that likes to contradict itself every chance it gets.

That evolution stuff is crap and you know it, Nisorin. You claim that religion is bogus, and yet you are the one contradicting YOURSELF with your basis of belief being in evolution. And something based on faith can be logical. Logic suggests to me that there IS a God, and I have faith that what he says is true, because he IS God. Faith is not blind. God gives us logic to help build our faith. My faith is strong in God.

Image is not always appearance. We are in God's image -- it was His image which created us as we were meant to be. We all share the breath of God, and we are all from God. As you said, there is no concrete proof on evolution either, and yet you claim faith is flawed. The only explanation I see out there is God, not evolution.

Yes, there may be millions of possibilities out there about our origins, but all indications point towards Christ.

For more insight into a logical approach at religion, you should read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis.

http://lib.ru/LEWISCL/mere_engl.txt

Nisorin · « **Reply #21 on:** July 06, 2010, 05:39:50 PM »

As I said in my post, I never said we weren't created by something. Obviously we were. What I did say is that all the religions I have learned of are bogus. Their bibles and teachings contradict themselves far too much to be considered trustworthy. And just because we've been on just about every spot on this planet's surface, Rage, doesn't mean we didn't miss something. We haven't dug for fossils in every single spot we possibly could have. Hell, many fossils that we may have found otherwise could easily have been destroyed through tons of different methods. Volcanic eruptions, stampedes, floods, landslides, earthquakes, particularly powerful storms. We may even have already found the evidence we're looking for, but not recognized it for what it was.

I'm not saying there is/was a God or God-like being. What I am saying is that the Religions I've heard of make less sense than evolution and science do. Once I find sufficient proof otherwise, my beliefs will change. Until then, I stick by what makes the most sense, which right now, is a curious mix of science, paganism and general spirituality.

Gaserlake · « **Reply #22 on:** July 06, 2010, 08:11:03 PM »

Quote from: L_Rage on July 06, 2010, 03:36:47 AM

Fuck it...We [Humans] have basically seen every inch of this fucking planet. We would have found ALL stages of evolution...or at least something in between monkeys [Shit slinging primates] and Humans [Intellegent lifeforms]... Please someone contradict me

Heard of the Neanderthals? They were around 130,000 years ago. Neanderthals are either classified as a subspecies (Homo sapiens neanderthalensis) or as a separate species (Homo neanderthalensis). They are now extinct, as a species, that is. Some of us would have it in our DNA, right now. So, don't look for things that exist, look for things that DID exist.