Poll of Planets

[Zero]

Well there you have it. I am making a poll to see if anyone besides me thinks there should be more planets on Shattered Planes or if there should not be anymore.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

YES.
I mean, with the fall of earth, there's nowhere else for normal stuff, or anywhere to do your own mini-plots without interruption or anything. At least a few unowned planets, and a few 'neutral' planets and stuff.

[Embodiment of Cringe]

False Heaven serves as a neutral territory space station, as it isn't allied with anything if you're wanting that sort of thing. Doesn't the words "free lodging to any travelers/residents" mean anything? D}:
Of course, it'll shoot down any invaders that dare try to take it.

But yeah, I don't think we really should. Side plots can unfold on planets so long as the person just asks if their planet is or isn't hostile to foreigners. For example, a side plot for anyone can barely happen on Novier, because the Novierians will beat down any aliens/foreigners that enter the planet. Migaitt is the same way, as it pretty much tries to kill anything that lands on it.

On the other hand... ... um... well crap. Maybe there should be some unconquerable planets, but not any that should just be out there for the taking for anyone. Kind of like a starting place for people.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

Well, yeah, there's false heaven...But thats a space station. Not everyone wants to be crowded on the same place...
And no matter where you are, there's gonna be the natives asking who the eff you are and wanting you off their lawnworld. People can be veeeeeery territorial, you know.

[Embodiment of Cringe]

Well, yeah, there's false heaven...But thats a space station. Not everyone wants to be crowded on the same place...
And no matter where you are, there's gonna be the natives asking who the eff you are and wanting you off their lawnworld. People can be veeeeeery territorial, you know.

Alright, I get ya. Although False Heaven is as big as Jupiter I won't say that there should be planets for everyone to steal away and frikkin' cover it in technology capable of destroying everything, but just planets that people can go to without the entire frikkin' memberbase breathing down their spine about just being there. When I take one look at SP, I see a bunch of places that people own and won't give up. Some neutral places like False Heaven would be nice.

[Zero]

Yeah and so would some uninhabited worlds open for the taking. There currently are 0 worlds that are able to be taken without much of a resistance.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

Well, yeah, there's false heaven...But thats a space station. Not everyone wants to be crowded on the same place...
And no matter where you are, there's gonna be the natives asking who the eff you are and wanting you off their lawnworld. People can be veeeeeery territorial, you know.

Alright, I get ya. Although False Heaven is as big as Jupiter I won't say that there should be planets for everyone to steal away and frikkin' cover it in technology capable of destroying everything, but just planets that people can go to without the entire frikkin' memberbase breathing down their spine about just being there. When I take one look at SP, I see a bunch of places that people own and won't give up. Some neutral places like False Heaven would be nice.

Ja...Even earth is hardly usable, what with Orph's freakin' Legion character murdering everything not native there, so I hardly see any places where we can have things done between just two characters. And not have to explain why they're there. XP

Uninhabited worlds just for taking...Not so much. I mean, other than worlds not naturally able to support life, which should be in abundance...But still. And even thats not really able until we get some terraforming tech. XP

[Orph]

Yeah and so would some uninhabited worlds open for the taking. There currently are 0 worlds that are able to be taken without much of a resistance.

He only wants uninhabited worlds because he is entirely unable to take a world himself.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

I know. I want neutral worlds, so that we dont have to deal with planetary governments breathing down our necks when we wanna do something...
Im not saying worlds for concurring. They'd have defenses from that, and would be NPC'd by whoever wants to protect it if under siege. But at least a few planets where we can do something, and not have something trying to kill us outside of our own plot? False Heaven is a good start...But thats just one place, and it'd get kinda suspicious if everything happened there.

[Beware Ye Who Enter Here]

More planets are needed.

[Admiral Regis Hermitage]

I have an idea...Pay Grunder to make you one...

[UnStellar]

Alright, here's my opinion.

Neutral worlds? Agreed. There needs to be places for business where people can be and not have to deal with empires breathing down their necks.
New Earth? We need one. False Heaven isn't the same thing, sorry.
Worlds up for the taking? Hell no. That will backfire. We could created rash of new worlds like what Hawk wants now, but they'll be conquered in no time, and we'll be right back in the same situation, making worlds over and ovr again until we have much to many to count. Hawk is only suggesting this for his own good.

My suggestion? For the good of the forum, we create and NPC empire. A switzerland, if you will. An empire not controlled by anyone, who won't side with anyone, who control multiple worlds that you can do things on, but have enough military might to defend their worlds.

Maybe they could have that New Earth.

I think this is the best wa of remedying the problem.

[Admiral Regis Hermitage]

Well i had an idea...The Forerunners. An all powerful empire that has God abilities but doesnt side,fight or do anything to hinder gameplay...other than to defend the proposed neutral worlds...

[UnStellar]

My thinking exactly, just with a more powerful empire. I don't know, I don't think it should be impossible, just really difficult.

[Embodiment of Cringe]

New Earth? We need one. False Heaven isn't the same thing, sorry.

;____;

My suggestion? For the good of the forum, we create and NPC empire. A switzerland, if you will. An empire not controlled by anyone, who won't side with anyone, who control multiple worlds that you can do things on, but have enough military might to defend their worlds.

Sounds good enough.

He only wants uninhabited worlds because he is entirely unable to take a world himself.

Good job noticing the elephant in the room. :{D

[Admiral Regis Hermitage]

Solution- Listen to Lyoko222

[Queen Bright]

My suggestion? For the good of the forum, we create and NPC empire. A switzerland, if you will. An empire not controlled by anyone, who won't side with anyone, who control multiple worlds that you can do things on, but have enough military might to defend their worlds.

That won't work. For some it would, but you can't change characters personality. And can't limit it as that would control said characters. You think if there's somewhere that controls all this land that characters are just going to leave it alone? Meet dictators. Think in the characters minds, they wouldn't just let that go. It'd be like the Alliance crap all over again. If somewhere is neutral but owns stuff, the characters can't just ignore it if it's in their personality not to.

That would be a form of metagaming.

[Embodiment of Cringe]

My suggestion? For the good of the forum, we create and NPC empire. A switzerland, if you will. An empire not controlled by anyone, who won't side with anyone, who control multiple worlds that you can do things on, but have enough military might to defend their worlds.

That won't work. For some it would, but you can't change characters personality. And can't limit it as that would control said characters. You think if there's somewhere that controls all this land that characters are just going to leave it alone? Meet dictators. Think in the characters minds, they wouldn't just let that go. It'd be like the Alliance crap all over again. If somewhere is neutral but owns stuff, the characters can't just ignore it if it's in their personality not to.

That would be a form of metagaming.

Unless it was against the rules to even try to take them over. D}:

[@Pokemon Master Red]

Nah. I like UnSteller's better.
They're planets...They aren't SUPPOSED to be unconquerable. All the same, having a good military force would work much better, since that deters would-be attacks that wouldn't be able to.
Since its a NPC faction, individual ships likely wouldn't need approval. This means that a reasonable amount of ships can guard each planet.
Making a God-Ability-People? That makes it impossible to even think about taking them...
Im not saying they should be taken over, one after the other. But dont make them un-take-overable.

Hik, you bring up a good point...But nobody said they'd have to be dictators. And just look at our worlds...Changes dont seem to happen much, and you dont generally see our characters going after OUR governments...So...
Maybe there's a bunch of different groups of governments? Maybe there's a alliance? All the point is, these are supposed to be places that we can go to without worrying about our characters being killed for stepping foot on the planet when we just needed somewhere the topic to occur at.

Making it against the rules would ALSO be metagaming, unfortunately.

[Queen Bright]

My suggestion? For the good of the forum, we create and NPC empire. A switzerland, if you will. An empire not controlled by anyone, who won't side with anyone, who control multiple worlds that you can do things on, but have enough military might to defend their worlds.

That won't work. For some it would, but you can't change characters personality. And can't limit it as that would control said characters. You think if there's somewhere that controls all this land that characters are just going to leave it alone? Meet dictators. Think in the characters minds, they wouldn't just let that go. It'd be like the Alliance crap all over again. If somewhere is neutral but owns stuff, the characters can't just ignore it if it's in their personality not to.

That would be a form of metagaming.

Unless it was against the rules to even try to take them over. D}:

It'd be metagaming.
We discussed this before on TPF.
We had it where make a limit of the tech that made it to where no empire could use offensively, but they said no. Because it would be OOC limiting which IC limits possibilities.

We CAN make it against the rules OOC. But IC, there is no rule. And if there were, characters would break rules, especially if that's their personality. Don't think this OOC.
Think of it purely IC. It doesn't work.

[UnStellar]

Hikaru, you're smart, creative people, there are easy solutions. What if they have very powerful ground forces, but are not capable of space travel? What if they had a curse afflicted in ancient days where they couldn't see other peoples worlds? What if they were just oblivious to outside forces?

We have ways of making it work.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

Or, quite possibly, that they just didn't care enough to risk their own forces?
Not EVERYONE is an Empire, you know. And if they aren't a empire, then by definition, they aren't interested in expanding their borders. It works. 

[Queen Bright]

No... you don't get it.

Okay. Let me give an example.

Say you build this NPC peaceful empire. They have little forces or strong forces. Neutral. Alliance or Loners. WHATEVER.

Let's look at the past of the RP, Sage Three to begin with.
Hikaru is rebellious, breaks any rule possible, doesn't care about people, and does whatever the hell she wants.
Do you REALLY think she's going to leave it said empire alone?

Now put this to any characters that are like that. Do you think they are?
And if you put an OOC rule on the board that says "Can't attack this world." That's OOC. The characters don't know OOC or it's metagaming.
Therefore said characters would STILL attack the neutral territory.

Back in the OK, the dictators had to agree not to attack borderline. But that was three people...and a few others. This time it's space-wide empires. Not everyone is going to agree. THAT'S why it fails.

Get it now?

[Zero]

How bout it has a curse on it that kills all that try to invade?

[Queen Bright]

How bout it has a curse on it that kills all that try to invade?

That is beyond stupid. Curse would have to be godmodding potential. As characters don't die that easily, and if they did could come back.