Aralang technology

[Gaserlake]

TET: OMFG! What does it take for you to understand? It's not that it's too powerful, it's that it was nearly at maximum charge by the time it was at Lesh. It took a fucking while to fucking charge up, THEN I attacked Lesh. Yes, it DID take a while to charge up. I even posted that in the Kalak Asteroid Field.

ARD: That's true...

ARF: This isn't approved, yet... Despite the grudges against the field cliche.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

No, that doesn't matter. If it takes a certain amount of posts, you do the charge up first then before they go wherever. If it was that much 'pre-charged' then you should have done all those posts in Kalak, even if it meant waiting six, nine, twelve or however many days in between with you using the three-day rule to get another post for the charge up. Or, at least for balancing reasons, have it a minimum of five posts, EVEN pre charged, before it can use the weapon. Gaser, saying it took a long time IC is easy. I can say my character took a year-long vacation, then go use them the next minute somewhere else. Timeskips, after all. But if your gonna use it to 'pre-charge' a weapon, thats abusing the system.

In any case, it can already destroy a planet. It really doesn't NEED any more buffers. Hell, at half charge, you could kill a planet, since you'd cause massive natural disasters from the attack ravaging a single part. Extinction event and all. So again, denied.

[Gaserlake]

Yes, it did take a long time IC... It would be pointless if I do ten posts in an IC amount of time, if I can just do one. The three-day rule doesn't work in this case, Hiro. You're not using it correctly. Your analogy actually failed. It's the other way around. Saying that a year has passed, while there was a battle going on in another galaxy that only took place an hour, and it's still going. Pre-charging a weapon takes less than a year. Abusing the system is taking a vacation for a bloody year, because a lot can happen in a year. Pre-charging the cannon? Sure, a lot can go on during the time it was charging up. I compromised, even, by waiting a day. Nisorin didn't respond to it. So, I went and attacked Lesh.

There's a difference between a planet and a titan. Titans are usually stronger and can take on a bigger punch. I can destroy a planet with ONE post's worth of charge, but that is ONLY when it is not defended, or not defended well or properly. Nisorin would probably have been able to defend his planet at half-charge, though, but it wouldn't have been easy, though. I would need to buff it if I have to go against other titans. Titans, again, can take on more damage than just planets.

The Relorians and the Archive are right now the enemies of the Aralangs. Seeing who the Relorians are, and how mages hate technology, there's no reason to doubt that there's going to be more factions going against the Aralangs. The Archive would probably spread the word, too. So, yes, I DO need to have my technology as a whole, not just the cannon, if I'm expecting this kind of war to happen. Yes, I know, Orph has most likely quit SP, but the Archive is still there. They still attacked the Aralangs, and as far as the Aralangs know, they're probably forming up another attack.

I gave Nisorin two chances of three choices where he can keep himself from getting killed. Actually, make that four choices. They all involved the rips, and three of them involved tactical retreat, and the fourth involved making a rip in front of the planet that leads to the middle of nowhere. Yet, he didn't do any of that. Nisorin told me that the reason why the Relorians didn't retreat by forming a rip to move the planet out of battle, is because retreating is not their style, or something like that. That's not my problem. It's not my fault that Nisorin put up a flaw. If one purposely made a whole bunch of flaws that made a race weak, I shouldn't be restricted to what I can do. I should still be able to use my forces as normal. HOWEVER, right after the planet has been destroyed, what did Nisorin do? He retreated. Retreating does not mean you're a coward. Sometimes, it's the best thing to do. If you want to win a war, sometimes retreating in one circumstance could change the tide of the war, instead of wasting your forces away.

Basically, I see no reason why this should be denied, AT ALL. I charged it up, which is a smart tactic to do. It's not even godmodding. I mean, I WANT SP to be like OK, as in you're allowed to godmode all you want, as long as you let the other person have a chance to survive. Yet, I DID let Nisorin survive TWICE WITHOUT GODMODDING. Speaking of which, I don't see why I should let my opponent have a chance if I did NOT godmode. No, I did NOT godmode in Lesh AT ALL. Two posts? Yes. Two posts with four choices. Each post was a chance. Then you say that I don't need to buff up my cannon? Just because I don't need to, it doesn't mean I'm not allowed to. Plus, I DO need it, because I'm possibly going to fight every single faction in the game.

Finally, there's the three-day rule. It doesn't apply to this case. It only applies to OOC matters, nothing IC. Yes, it does result to things happening IC, but the rule doesn't apply to things IC. In this case, there is nothing to wait for three days. There was really nothing to stop me from. Hell, sometimes, things don't really do three days, but instead one or two. Yes, it has happened many times when people waited for only one or two days to have their posts valid and legit, instead of three days. This case is one of them.

I hope you get what I'm trying to say.

[Nisorin]

Who you're fighting, and how many, are not our concern, nor has it ever been. If it was, I would have easily been able to win in the original battle at Dragon Moon. Hawkeye would have easily won when I took the Starclan from him, and during the Black Crusade in season 3. I have already told you my stance regarding this. If you can reduce a planet to nothing in a single shot with as much overkill as you'd posted the attack having, I see no reason why you cannot do the same to a titan, just with less overkill, as your Saraton capabilities are now. It is as simple as that.

As for my own actions, you do need to remember that I was not talking about MY PEOPLE surviving. I was talking about the planet as well. And I STILL firmly believe that, with as many mages as I had in that battle, I should have been able to hold off your cannon's barrage for plenty long enough. The fact that I was not allowed to is evidence enough that your cannon is plenty strong enough as it is, very possibly too strong considering the fact that it gives zero time for reaction. By the time you see it fire, it's too late no matter what you do to react.

You have already heard the issues I have with this request.

[Gaserlake]

Easy, Nisorin. Planets aren't made to withstand titan-class attacks. Titans are. Titans would have reinforced hull and armor, as well as a very strong shield.

Yes, three of the choices you had were to get the planet out of the battle. The fourth was to use the rip against the Saraton beam to redirect it ENTIRELY, instead of using a barrier to try to block it. This proves that it is NOT that the cannon is powerful enough, but rather YOU didn't do the right decisions against it. In a lot of cases, it's not power that matters, it's how you use it. This is among them.

[Gaserlake]

Look. For fuck's sake. You're just fucking judging the Sajuuk based on HOW I used it, NOT what it's fucking abilities are! So you two should stop fucking around and look for pathetic little excuses why I can't use this perfectly, yes Nisorin, FUCKING PERFECTLY REASONABLE TECHNOLOGY! WHAT I DID WAS NOT FUCKING GODMODDING! I'M SICK OF YOUR BITCHING! Seriously, I'm just thinking that you just don't want me to fucking use it, because you know you would get your fucking little ass kicked. There's a fucking difference between godmodding and unbeatable tactics. WHAT I DID WAS AN UNBEATABLE TACTIC! IT DOES NOT FALL UNDER GODMODDING, NYXMODDING, OR OVERPOWERED! Therefore, there is absolutely NO reason why you deny this technology AT ALL! What's that, you say? TET itself IS overpowered and godmodding? THAT'S UTTER BULLSHIT! YOU'RE SAYING THAT TECHNOLOGY CAN DO WHAT MAGIC CAN DO, AND WHEN I DO MAKE TECHNOLOGY COME CLOSE TO MAGIC BY INTRODUCING TET, BRINGING TECHNOLOGY ONE STEP CLOSER TO ACHIEVING THE GOAL OF TECHNOLOGY MATCHING MAGIC, YOU SAY IT'S OVERPOWERED OR GODMODDING! That's really fucking pathetic of you two.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

Gaser, I've always maintained that Tech is ALREADY equal to magic. And Gaser, what do think Goddmodding is? Godmodding, by DEFINITION, means its unbeatable. NOTHING should be unbeatable, because its unfair. So, if I already think the tech itself is overpowered, Im not accepting a buff for it. Maybe Hik or K2, but not me, unless I for whatever reason dont think its overpowered anymore. If it can destroy planets without any hope of blocking it, even with literally a planet's full of mages, then it NEEDS a long charge time, and doesn't need to be stronger.

[Gaserlake]

I NEVER said that it is unbeatable. Seriously, what the hell? IT IS NOT UNBEATABLE! Even fucking overpowered shit can be defeated. And yes, it WAS a long charge time, realistically. It was equivalent to what... 20-30 posts, I told Nisorin? Yeah. 20-30 posts. THAT is a fucking long charge time. Why? BECAUSE IT MAXED ITSELF! Seriously, you are underestimating how much capacity a FUCKING FULL CHARGE IS!

[@Pokemon Master Red]

There's a fucking difference between godmodding and unbeatable tactics. WHAT I DID WAS AN UNBEATABLE TACTIC! IT DOES NOT FALL UNDER GODMODDING, NYXMODDING, OR OVERPOWERED!

Yes, Gaser, you did say it was a 'unbeatable tactic', which doesn't exist, because that means its godmodding. And dude, if its got 20-30 posts worth of charge, then HAVE 20-30 posts of that, or at least some semblance of such. Seriously, by this logic, nobody ever needs to charge anything for the actual amount of posts. All they have to do is the worth of one post of charging at one planet, then go attack another planet, which is cheap and unfair. Sure, its a long charge time IC. But that is NOTHING OOC. So, if thats a 'legitimate tactic', then yeah, its already overpowered as far as Im concerned. You want that much of a charge, then make the posts.

[Gaserlake]

Unbeatable does not constitute godmodding. If you have one lone soldier from Pakistan with no backup and just has an AK-47 against an entire US army, that lone soldier would lose, because the army would be unbeatable. You're going to call out godmodding on that? If so, then... SP has really went down to hell. Seriously, now you're limiting how people are allowed to engage in warfare. Unbeatable does not mean godmodding. However, godmodding means unbeatable. A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square. Same concept.

Yes, that post in Kalak represented 20-30 posts, and yes, I did wait for a bit until I attacked. How? The charge took place AFTER the battle. DURING a battle, that would have been different. Why have me uselessly make 20-30 posts of it charging up, while I could just make one simple post that would represent all of them? It's stupid. Yes, it IS SOMETHING OOC. FOLLOWING THAT FUCKING LOGIC, I WOULD HAVE TO POST EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY, EVERY SINGLE FUCKING HOUR, EVERY SINGLE FUCKING MINUTE, THAT SOLDIERS ARE AT A GUARD STANCE AT THEIR POSTS! That's stupidly pointless.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

You know in SP its perfectly possible for a single person to overtake an army, hell, I've done it. What your talking about is real life, which this is not. This is a RP, a sci-fi/fantasy one, for that matter, therefore, those rules dont apply to the same degree. Sure, sheer numbers gives you a advantage, but they dont equal instant victory.

As for that, thats your opinion, not mine. I never said you'd need to post all the damn time about guards. But just letting someone post that all of its charging at one place, and only ONE post for the ability to destroy a planet without any hope of blocking? You didn't even wait three days, the standard for double-posts. If that tactic is allowed, then I dont see why it needs a buff.

[Gaserlake]

Yes, because you're not a Pakistani soldier against the US. In SP, something can compare to this. For example, a regular mage in a powerful AM field, that never faced an AM field, and didn't know how to fight in an AM field, and with no backup, facing a planetful of Aralangs. Or, a helpless baby in the street, with nobody or anything to help it, getting shot at by some gangsters or corrupt army.

Double-posting does not necessarily require a three-day interval.

Why it needs a buff? Because obviously the Relorians would try to work on something to prevent that from happening again, don't you think? Plus, it would be something they wouldn't expect, too. Plus, there's always room for improvement. So, I don't see why not.

[Gaserlake]

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[@Pokemon Master Red]

...I can think of a few solutions to those problems,(for example, the mage could always find some weapon, and hide within buildings; in that situation, I'd think the answer isn't to kill all the Aralangs, simply make their way to a ship and escape, and as for the baby thing, if its a character, you can bet that even as a baby it can murder thousands of witless mooks) and those are ridiculously specific examples anyways.

As for In Character, as far as I remember, it does. Thats the way its been done since I joined, until you did that. If not, then it probably would've been done a lot more often.

And Gaser, considering its so powerful already, giving it a buff seems hardly a necessity. Obviously they'd do something to prevent it, and in fact as I recall, they DID do something to prevent it, in creating a barrier with the power of a planets worth of mages. If that isn't enough to stop it, then it doesn't need a buff, it needs a de-buff. In the sense of expecting it...Um...I doubt they'd expect you to leave your weapon alone when you can improve upon it...And on the subject of improvement, I would agree, if I didn't think the weapon itself was already overpowered in the first place. Besides, a improvement would be more along the lines of making it versatile, not even more powerful.

[Gaserlake]

The baby wouldn't be oblivious to everything. The mage wouldn't know what to even do. Run and hide, sure, but to defend himself? No. He wouldn't know how to fight. Get a weapon? Doesn't know how to use that well. If you're running away from the Aralangs, because you don't know how to fight without magic, and you don't know magic, and you have no help, you're screwed. Why? Because the Aralangs could pretty much beam you to prison.

It doesn't require a three-day interval if nobody else is involved. Plus, a looooot of things can happen in 60-90 days, which is 20-30 posts multiplied by 3 days. In battle, you can charge your ship up over 10 times faster than in peace time. That doesn't make any sense at all.

They did try to prevent it, yes, but that doesn't mean that's the best they can do. True or not, that's what the Aralangs think. TET isn't only strictly on the cannon's power. It improves versatility, literally. It's more maneuverable, as it is able to turn faster, and the conventional drives are much more powerful, making it go faster.

[Gaserlake]

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[K2]

Nisorin, you want biowarfare? You've got it. Here's some neurotoxins for you. This isn't really metagaming, because I've thought of these ideas, so yeah.

Paralyzing Virus

This virus infects the nervous system, and destroys it, paralyzing the host. It also absorbs any electrical signals from the brain to any part of the body, which would paralyze the person before the nervous system has been destroyed. The virus would use the electrical signals to grow stronger. Involuntary systems won't function, either, as the entire nervous system would have been destroyed. The person would eventually die.

Seizure Virus

This virus infects the brain and causes brain cell damage. It would result in seizures, and the mind being broken down. The seizures would then cause brain cell damage, which would result in more seizures. It's a vicious circle. An endless loop between seizures and brain cell damage, until the person dies.

Disorientation Virus

This virus would also infect the brain. It would mess up the orientation of the host. The person would lose their five main senses, as well as secondary senses, such as the sense of time, direction, etc. The infected person would be so fucked up, that if he or she tried to attack, it would be certain that the person would harm itself more than his or her enemies. At the same time, however, the virus would make the infected person think that nothing unusual is happening, so the infected would actually try to attack the enemy, but would certainly harm themselves. In the end, they're so fucked up that they wouldn't know that they're fucked up. The brain wouldn't even know how to function at all, resulting in no brain activity, which is the real life requirement for official death.

Spasm Virus

This also infects the brain. What it does is infect the brain cells, and force them to fire continuously until they swell and die. This would result in uncontrollable movement and actions, for example, gnawing obsessively on a rock, or move their heads around in figure eights. At the same time, however, the memory of the person would be killed off, as it would overstimulate the neurons that retain memory. The virus mimics as a neurotransmitter. It would quite literally fry their brains.

Cannibalism Virus

This virus infects the brain and causes them to crave on living flesh and organs of their own race. They would stop what they are doing and become really, really hungry, like it didn't eat in a week, and would then try to eat its own race, literally down to the bone. Basically, it induces cannibalism.... Zombies, anyone?

Self-destruction Virus

This virus infects the brain and the nervous system. It would force the brain and the nervous system to send out signals to the body to disrupt itself. For example, promote irregular heartbeats and cause heart attacks. It would even tell the body to stop reproducing cells. As there wouldn't be any new blood cells replacing the old ones, nutrients for the body wouldn't get around fast enough. The immune system would break down. Bones would crack and shatter. The whole body would break down. The brain would even cause signals to force the organs to break apart, until the person is dead, and would still keep going, until there is nothing else to break down. It would force the brain to send signals through the body. When there is nothing else to break down, it would break down the brain.

Note: All these viruses are AM and ASE properties. Due to Conventional Aralang ethics, they will only use the Paralyzation and the Disorientation Viruses.

Approved under Nisorin's conditions.

[Queen Bright]

TET approved as the basic idea of it. But for improving the cannons and such with it, still pending till the argument is over. Improvement for other things and using it for other stuff is approved though.

[Gaserlake]

Anti-Spirit Energy Energy

Also known as ASEE, it's the spirit energy equivalent of AME. It destroys any spirit energy it comes into contact with on the physical plane.

[Queen Bright]

Approved.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

I keep thinking I've already posted here for some reason...
As for the ASEE, dont you already have something to that affect? Not AME, but already something that blocks Spirit Energy? As for destroying it, wasn't that why we disapproved the liquid, because it destroys Spirit Energy(and yes, I understand you dont mean 'destroy' as most literally, but still, Im fairly certain thats why we disapproved the liquid)?

As for the baby...Um...Yeah, it wouldn't be oblivious to everything...Thanks for agreeing? And mages aren't as oblivious as you think, Gaser. Most of my own Mage characters can use a weapon pleeeenty well, you know. Take away the magic, thats only one weapon gone out of their arsenals.

Alright, I'll give you that two to three months is excessive, I agree with that much. BUT, all the same, 1 or three days for a full charge, as powerful as you claim that to be, is far too little. While indeed, a lot can happen in 2-3 months OOC, presumably so can a lot happen during the time the weapon is charging IC. But with that small of a time OOC to charge, it cant translate very well.

And dude, when your foe is going to destroy your planet, would YOU slack off? A planets full of mages, all using their magic to create a barrier to block it, presumably they'd be putting their all into it to save their lives. And if that cant stop the attack, well, its just too strong. And I approve the maneuverability and all that stuff. Thats fair. But making it more goddamn strong? I just cant approve of that based on how strong its supposed to be already IC, even at a full charge.

[Gaserlake]

As far as I know, the reason why you denied the liquid was because it would permakill the person. This doesn't, as it doesn't kill the spirit energy in the astral plane, only in the physical plane.

Meh. I meant it WOULD be oblivious to everything. As in, wtf is going on. Plus, "thanks for agreeing with me," is my line. For the mages, the mage would be oblivious on how to defend himself without magic.

I gave Nisorin a day to respond to it. That's enough. It takes more effort, and maybe more time, to mobilize my forces than to charge up the Sajuuk's cannon to full capacity. I shouldn't have to wait for over three days OOC to wait for my forces to mobilize and then attack.

If someone is going to destroy my planet, I wouldn't slack off, but I would try to be more effective afterward, whether I succeeded in defending the planet or not.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

Hm, alight, as long as it doesn't permakill the person, even if the spirit is no longer in the body. Approved for the Anti-Spirit-Thiingamajig.

I wouldn't agree with either of those statements. First off, babies might be babies, but they know about danger, and a child mage would be able to defend itself with raw magic, I'd think. Just sheer destructive(not Embodiment-Destructive, just destructive) force. As for mages, again, all of my own mages at least can defend themselves without magic, so no, not all mages wouldn't be oblivious on how to defend themselves with a AM field up.

And in any case, its still too strong, in my opinion.

Um...That doesn't make much matter in this case, where the point is that despite having a planet's worth of mages, you still steamrolled their barrier like it wasn't there...Hell, if you destroyed one of my planets, the faction holding it would cut their losses too. No point in continuing the battle if the lose-conditions have been met.

[Queen Bright]

you still steamrolled their barrier like it wasn't there...

He actually killed the barrier with an AM Field too..
The tactic to get around AM Fields through spirit energy was null on that, because K2 giving it was Null. His NPC wouldn't have known it and he couldn't haven given it.

[Gaserlake]

In this case, the baby does NOT have destructive force, and does NOT have magic. It's pretty much a human baby with no specialties. Plus, I'm talking about a mage that has NO idea on what to do without magic.

Too strong... yeah it's not. Look at magic. Oh, wow... it can really fuck up planets and shit. And look at this... oh no... it's too powerful.. yet it only targets one planet at a time, while magic can fuck up an entire galaxy.

It would matter. I would just try to find ways to keep them from destroying my planets. For example, instead of trying to make a barrier around it, I would instead move the planet away. I gave him a chance to do that. Plus, he wasn't using the barrier correctly. Right now, I can think of better barriers than what Nisorin did.