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Re: To Contradict Existence
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2010, 05:07:49 AM »
"I watched both of you for quite a while. You wouldn't have made it to the documents without me. I pissed you off by just smirking at you. How interesting. You have certainly become a killing machine, Hikaru. As for you, Asura, you would help make an excellent team of mutual trust and respect, as well as helping each other survive, of course."

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« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2010, 05:16:06 AM »
"Wrong!" Hikaru snarled, "I would have found them without you. I had already decided to leave that one area and find another. I can read signs. I would have found it." Hikaru then shuddered at his next statement, though she attempted her best not to allow it to show. Shaking her head, Hikaru lowered her eyes. "No. No, I have not. I never wanted to be, and I'm NOT going to be!"

"How about you leave?" Asura suggested, "I have things to speak to them about, and you're doing yourself no good here."
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Re: To Contradict Existence
« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2010, 06:58:05 AM »
"If it weren't for me, Gaserlake wouldn't have cared for you. Right now, he would give his life for you, but if it weren't for me, he wouldn't care about you. Sometimes, you have to do what you don't want to do, Hikaru." He looked at Asura. "Alright then. I'll be going. Goodbye." He then walked behind the same shelf he came from and disappeared without a single trace.

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« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2010, 07:01:07 AM »
But as he turned to leave, Hikaru shouted back in response. "If that is indeed true, then thank you. You've given me no reason to care now, or respect him. If he was only following you, then that means I owe nothing, especially my respect. Things will go back to the way they once were! Enemies to the bitter end."

"Well he just lost." Asura mused.

"Indeed." Hikaru muttered, as of now, annoyed.
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Re: To Contradict Existence
« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2010, 07:05:50 AM »
Gaserlake was turned to normal. He was not aware of what just happened, so he was resumed thinking about explaining existence. "Pretty damn hard to explain, Asura," he said.

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« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2010, 07:23:14 AM »
Hikaru glanced curiously at Gaserlake, still pretty much annoyed. Did he not recall any of it? Obviously this person whoever it was, was manipulating behind the scenes. But if he was truthful and it was all a facade, even her being alive as well, an enforced act. Then why should she care? Hikaru shrugged ever so slightly, he could just continue on not knowing for all she cared. "Existence is what we are," Hikaru muttered, returning back to the current conversation at hand. "It's what's around us. If we didn't exist, we wouldn't be here. It'd be... Permanent death."

"Ah, but things cannot be created, or destroyed." Asura replied.

"Koty, he can destroy things..." Hikaru caught Asura's eyes. "Permanently."

"Can he?" Asura held her hand to the books behind her. "The ones in this shelf, even the Force of Destruction has no bearing on."

"That can't be..." Hikaru stammered, "What about creation? Obviously we exist, Creation had to have had a bearing."

"Which brings me to my next part," Asura grinned. "Again I ask. What does it truly mean to exist?"

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Re: To Contradict Existence
« Reply #31 on: October 02, 2010, 07:29:05 AM »
"To be bound to laws? Or be destined to doom?" Gaserlake came up with.

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« Reply #32 on: October 02, 2010, 07:52:48 AM »
"Yes and no," Asura replied. "You're thinking too shallow. You're thinking of material existence. You're thinking of yourself or as you see it."

"Well I know magic is existence!" Hikaru smirked at Gaserlake as she said that. "And nothing else can match it!"

"Yes, true and all, but for the purpose of explaining these books, also wrong." Asura held out her hand, calling her staff to her. She then used the tip of the staff to write in the air, drawing what looked like a cube in silver writing aglow. "This is existence." Asura then drew lines into the cube, every which way possible. "These are the multiple timelines. And this..." She then drew a smaller square inside of the bigger cube, but intersecting the lines. "Is what you know as the Dimensional Plane. This is material existence."

"But it isn't what you meant... Is it?" Hikaru asked.

"In a way it is. In a way all of your answers were correct." Asura dropped the staff but left the pictures. "Existence is the perception of reality. Reality is the material world around you, life. The same as your answers. To exist? It is to change reality. To be a force inside reality itself and interact with other forces, to bring about change. Existence its self is change. But on a small scale, as everyone is part of change, giving their small part. The ones in the shelf however..." Asura picked her staff back up, and drew a few dots inside the cube, but outside the square, off to the side. "This is being outside of existence or to be nonexistent. Basically the same thing. Bit this..." Asura then added dots under the cube, but then drew lines connecting those dots to the cube. "This is you. Tied to existence. Able to take your part in reality, doing your part to change it. YET, at the same time, being outside of it, not confined to it. Any questions yet?"

Hikaru shook her head, mostly lost for words.
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Re: To Contradict Existence
« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2010, 08:02:51 AM »
"Nope," Gaserlake said.

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« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2010, 08:11:06 AM »
Asura nodded. "Very well then." Though she wondered why there no questions, she didn't question it. "This group, I like to call Subgrounded. Bound to existence, through being born into it. But not forced to abide by it." She held out her hand designating the two."Breaking it even. Such as becoming the most powerful magic users. Or doing things only magic should be able to do.

Before Hikaru could open her mouth and point out how untrue she was in that second statement, Asura continued, interrupting her, "Subgrounded; An existence that does not exist, yet is within exstence. A contradiction to existence its self, wouldn't you say?"

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Re: To Contradict Existence
« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2010, 08:13:17 AM »
This time, questions were flying into his head. "Maybe because we're not part of existence? And how does one become subgrounded?" Gaserlake asked.
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« Reply #36 on: October 02, 2010, 07:56:52 PM »
"That's what I was thinking." Asura nodded in agreeance , then picked her staff back up and began to trace more markings into the air.

"But we were obviously born into existence, why?" Hikaru questioned, watching the markings that were being drawn. "You said we weren't meant to exist, what do you mean?"

Asura finished her markings, now where the square inside the cube was, there were four circles around it. One above, one below, and one off to each side. The square being the middle of all. When finished, Asura held up her hand and another book appeared. This one was without a cover and pages looked like they were about to just fall apart and rejoin the dust on the ground. Ignoring this, Asura opened to a page, and the binding somehow managed to stay together. "Long ago, before the embodiments themselves. As well as the dimensional plane, there was only one race. This race created another mortal race, and the two went onto create the first incarnation of embodiments. But existence was wiped out through war. Only one of each race was left.  That being was the combined form of Creation and Destruction, the second who you know as Koty. Life was tried again and again,  but the embodiments never agreed with one another and thus the life they created didn't as well, it was destroyed again and again."

Asura marked out the two circles to each side of the square. "These were the areas that life took place. Eventually they were gone, replaced by ruins. The other two, " She pointed to the top and bottom. "Are Heaven and..."

"Erebus." Hikaru answered. "But Erebus is now gone."

Asura nodded and marked out the bottom circle. "Which leaves Heaven and life being," Asura used her staff to point to the mid square, "Eventually created here. After that, Creation and Destruction split, and you know the rest."

"The Keepers of Erebus... " Hikaru paused, "Wait.. So Koty's not a God?"

Asura shook her head, "Not in the sense of all powerful, no. Neither is Creation. But only the embodiments know this, and only the ones that were here through it from the beginning. The original ones. Mainly, Time. But Time does not interfere, Time does not save life, nor does it destroy it. It stays behind, watching events unfold, and recording it all. Time was one of the only embodiments that didn't war back then."

"But what does this have to do with being Subgrounded?"

"Everything." Asura pointed above the cube, and drew more dots. "This is what you would be if you were above existence, where you would basically be an embodiment, higher than existence its self to where you could manipulate it. As each embodiment does with their own force. That would be the Surgrounded. But, both are still grounded to existence." Asura pointed back to the dots under the cube. "You're below it, You can't manipulate it, but you're free from its forces of being completely in it. Unlike The Grounded, "She pointed back to the square, designating it. Then leaned her hands upon her staff, planting the end of it to the ground. "It is my belief that the ones from the beginning, the race that was before Destruction and Creation, that they re-incarnated." Before Hikaru could interrupt, Asura went on. "No, not Phoenix re-incarnation, but the true re-incarnation. To come back in another spiritual form.  Even history doesn't show us completely what happened to that race or where they come from. So the idea is plausible."

"But again, You said we weren't supposed to exist." Hikaru argued.

"In this existence." Asura replied. "In the material existence you know, the reality around you."
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Re: To Contradict Existence
« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2010, 09:33:15 PM »
"So, if we aren't supposed to exist, how do we exist in the first place?" Gaserlake asked.

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« Reply #38 on: October 02, 2010, 10:22:15 PM »
"I don't know." Asura simply stated, with a skeptic look from Hikaru.  "That right there is the contradiction. I do believe there is another class that outclasses both." Asura traced her staff in to the air outside the cube all together, off to the side of it. "This would be a class not grounded to existence at all. Able to control its forces, yet be effected by none. This would be known as Ingrounded, not bound to existence at all, able to bend, twist, and manipulate it to its will, and not be affected its self. If anyone would be Ingrounded, I believe it would be the one that created Existence in a whole. No, not Creation and Destruction. And not even the race that created the embodiments. But something farther out there, a 'true God,' if you will."

"And it's that god that brought us, The subgrounded into existence?" Hikaru questioned.

Asura shook her head, "No. But I think it's a part of it. As I said, it's a contradiction. A contradiction to existence its self. But the thing about contradictions, they attract more contradictions. Whatever that first contradiction in existence was, brought with it another contradiction. And with that contradiction, it brought yet another, each one being the gate way for even more contradictions. Your existence, for example. A contradiction. Miss Hikaru's children's existence, a contradiction that led from the first contradiction of her existence. Subgrounded seem to attract more subgrounded, as they play as more contradictions. Find that first contradiction in existence, and you would find out why you exist."

"So then we shouldn't exist... because contradictions shouldn't exist?"

"There's nothing wrong with contradictions." Asura went on, "Without contradictions, we wouldn't have tautologies, and existence would never be certain. But too many contradictions, and it starts to overflow, outnumbering that which fix them, the tautologies. Existence is supposed to have an equal amount of both contradiction and tautology, it is supposed to be contingent. But when contradiction outweighs tautology, things become irrational.  It is that irrationality that brings me back to the start of this." Asura swiped her staff across the markings, and they faded. "If you kills Miss Hikaru, and if Miss Hikaru kills you. I cannot say what happens. Obviously because you're in existence, you die. But that is material existence, the Dimensional Plane. Even then, you come back. Why? Irrationality. Events, caused by the chain of contradictions, causing another contradiction to correct it.  Because your existence was a contradiction, dying was a tautology, but because of irrationality, another contradiction happens. The event of being brought back."

"But what about permanent death?"

"I'm getting there. Because of irrationality, I cannot say if you would live or die. Things being unable to be destroyed or created, existence as well, is a tautology. But your existence is a contradiction. And so would permanent death be as well, because it's obviously destroying something. To have those two contradictions clash, I believe the tautology would be to save, and the contradiction would be to destroy. Irrationality would happen, and you would be neither destroyed or saved, but outside of it all together. Neither alive or dead. A paradox."

"...So we're immortal? True immortality?"

"You could call it that. Existence would certainly have no bounds on you then. And perhaps you may find out what exactly out there is Ingrounded, you would be on the same class as them. But I don't know what form you would be in. Mere dust, essence of the spirit? Or if through will power, your existent-bound form?  Not something I would try even if it is immortality. All true immortality has a price. And I think, seeing as the contradiction of your existence is effecting existence. The price to your 'deaths,' would be a severe change in material existence. You can't kill the roots of a tree, without destroying it. And the subgrounded are the roots of existence. Which is why existence is trying to keep you alive."
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« Reply #39 on: October 02, 2010, 11:57:14 PM »
Gaserlake believed it. He wasn't surprised. He knew that something was keeping him alive. How else did he survive for over fifteen billion years? Now that Asura explained, it made a whole lot more sense. "So, we would be alive, no matter what?" A thought struck him. "So, if Hikaru's children are subgrounded, then, wouldn't that mean my brother is also subgrounded?" he was desperate to know.
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« Reply #40 on: October 03, 2010, 12:18:31 AM »
"Yes, because existence would make sure of it. Because existence needs you." Asura tapped her staff to the ground and a second book appeared near him. "You may check."

"Wait." Hikaru held up her hand, signaling for them to pause. "If existence makes sure of it, does that mean everything that has happened to keep us alive, is not the person that did its choice, but them being manipulated by existence?" She thought for a moment, she had revived him because she wanted to, right? Or was the thought given to her...

"No." Asura replied. "It may seem that way, but it is only the act of being alive that existence causes. Through what means? That's up to unforeseen occurrences. Take you reviving the oaf here. Had you not, existence would have seen to it for it to happen another way. Be it in the future, or at that moment. But you still had your choice. Existence didn't force you. If it DID need to force a person to stay alive, it would bring them back or prevent them from dying, out of nowhere. That is in the extreme case. It would not be by another's hand, though."

Hikaru shot Asura a look when Asura had explained just the exact situation as to why Hikaru was asking that question. The look basically said 'shut up please.'
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« Reply #41 on: October 03, 2010, 12:37:52 AM »
Gaserlake looked through the brown book. Shock hit his face and it can be clearly seen. "It's also empty," he said. "Is it inherited?"
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« Reply #42 on: October 03, 2010, 12:59:48 AM »
"I don't know." Asura replied. She then tapped her staff again, and the book disappeared out of his hands and appeared on the shelf behind her. "One contradiction attracts another. Maybe it is. Or maybe it's a contradiction of a contradiction to where some are not. The only way to find out would be to look at the parents of the current subgrounded, or distant relatives." She tapped her staff, and two books appeared by Hikaru, one appeared near Gaserlake. "Well... That's strange. You seem to only have one parent, or something's up."

Hikaru ignored the odd turn of events and looked through the two that appeared near her. The books of her parents. "Both of my parents have wording." She muttered, "My grandfather is Chaos, could that be it?"

"He would be Surgrounded."

"What of my other grandfather? Or grandmother?"

"Perhaps," Asura tapped the staff again, and two more books appeared near Hikaru. "Are they?"

Picking the books up automatically, this time, Hikaru skimmed through them. "Both have text. ...Wait..." Hikaru took the one of her grandfather on her mothers side, her former challenger from the Plex Tournament, Mokai.  She flipped through the book rather fastly. "He's from this time?! What? It says here he..." Hikaru paused and slammed the book. "The Genesis King, that's who has to be subgrounded. If he wasn't, then it's not inheritable in every circumstance."

Asura made a face, "I don't have his book. Because his timeline was split into the three of you."

"And you can't read us..." Hikaru irritably dropped the book. "Then I or my brothers are not the example to find the origin."

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Re: To Contradict Existence
« Reply #43 on: October 03, 2010, 01:13:05 AM »
Gaserlake looked through the book. "This is my mother, and this has text in it, so I guess she's normal. So, for my father... he must be subgrounded. But... wouldn't you still have his book, albeit a blank one?"

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« Reply #44 on: October 03, 2010, 01:17:55 AM »
In response, Asura tapped her staff to the ground and all of a sudden the group of three were in another part of the Records. This time in the race of Aralang, section. "Check if you want," Asura replied, then added, "just don't touch any other books," just as Hikaru was glancing to what she thought had  Special Forces written on the cover.

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Re: To Contradict Existence
« Reply #45 on: October 03, 2010, 01:28:49 AM »
The books were ordered alphabetically and by date of birth. It would show date of birth first, then it goes into alphabetical order. Gaserlake walked down to the date where his father was born. He then traced his fingers on the books as he went down the alphabetical order for his father's name. He stopped. His finger was on a book, which was supposed to be right next to his father's, but the book wasn't there. "The hell?" he wondered. He put his hand down in great wonder. "What the hell? Why isn't it there?"

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« Reply #46 on: October 03, 2010, 01:34:19 AM »
"So it's not there?" Asura asked, throwing up her hand to blindly catch a book that Hikaru had just then been trying to levitate to herself. "Well there goes finding the origin of those Subgrounded." Asura brought the book down to glance at the title. It was as she guessed, a book of one of the Special Forces. "Miss Hikaru, really?" Asura questioned, before making the book go back to its place.

"Can't blame me for trying," Hikaru muttered back.

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Re: To Contradict Existence
« Reply #47 on: October 03, 2010, 01:40:36 AM »
Gaserlake shook his head when he saw what the book was. "You're that damn desperate to read on the SF? Heh. Of course. They've treated you like hell. Can't blame you for trying to find everything about them."

He sighed. "It's not there. But... it's strange, really. Ever since my parents died... I've been met by this damn guy. Hikaru would know who I'm talking about, the guy who dresses formally and carries a briefcase with him all the damn time. And now, his book is missing."
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Re: To Contradict Existence
« Reply #48 on: October 03, 2010, 01:50:58 AM »
"As if I care," Hikaru cynically replied, "To defeat your enemy, know your enemy. That's all." Her and Asura then looked at one another, and then back at him. "You mean the idiot that was just here?" Hikaru asked, amused.

"Quote the rude one too," Asura added.

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Re: To Contradict Existence
« Reply #49 on: October 03, 2010, 01:59:40 AM »
Gaserlake didn't understand. What do they mean? Surely, he wasn't here. He didn't see him, at least. "Wait, he was here? The hell? When?" Gaserlake asked.