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Ascending the Throne
« on: January 11, 2010, 06:59:01 PM »
I am ready to take my characterization class.

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Re: Ascending the Throne
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2010, 07:06:33 PM »
*smacks Hawkeye with one of those teacher-pointy sticks*

With an attitude like that, no, you're not ready.
In my class you will be learning Characterization. In Beginner, Intermediate, and Advanced, it will all deal with making characters that a person can care for, be drawn to, and want to see the fate of.
If in the end, you have failed to make a character that is both cared for in the hearts of all, and realistically convincing, you will start the class over again.
If in the end, you have developed multiple personality disorder, I cannot be held accountable.
And in the long run, that would be a good sign.

Now! Let us begin.
Lesson 1, on Characterization.
Before you can make a character, first you must know emotion, personality, and back story. You must know how to analyze others characters, and see why they act the way they act. Their motives, their life, everything that makes them, them. Through this, you can see how a good character is built, and how they seem more, real, than your crash dummies.

So, first thing is first. Pick a character of someones on this board, anyone.
We're going to analyze it.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2010, 07:07:53 PM by Hikaru »

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Re: Ascending the Throne
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2010, 07:10:20 PM »
I will be analyzing Zere.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2010, 07:11:44 PM by Hawkeye »

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Re: Ascending the Throne
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2010, 07:43:20 PM »
Alright. Click on K2s profile, read every post he has made with that character.
When you are done, report back to here and tell me what you learned of the character.

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Re: Ascending the Throne
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2010, 05:51:35 PM »
Zere is insane. He is also angry a lot and chaotic.  In addition he loves to kill people.  He also enjoys fighting.  More or less  he is basically an unpredictable character that many would be annoyed by due to his mannerisms. He seems very evil. In battles he seems to rely on seals and corruptive magic and many other techniques that require him to be evil.  He is also too reliant on seals leaving a vulnerability in his character. He seems to enjoy bloodshed too much and so it would be easy to manipulate him by promising he gets to kill.  He is loyal to the Anrufe very much and will not betray them and enjoys his work of gathering souls for them. His vulnerability would most likely be obtained in his lust for blood which can never be sated.

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Re: Ascending the Throne
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2010, 05:53:29 PM »
Too shallow, Hawk. You only explained the battle side of the character. Which, we'll have to wait for K2 to say how well you did.
In analyzing personalities, you need to go further. WHAT MAKES THEM TICK? Sure, that may be how they act, but WHY do they act that way?

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Re: Ascending the Throne
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2010, 08:00:02 PM »
Zere is insane. He is also angry a lot and chaotic.  In addition he loves to kill people.  He also enjoys fighting.  More or less  he is basically an unpredictable character that many would be annoyed by due to his mannerisms. He seems very evil. In battles he seems to rely on seals and corruptive magic and many other techniques that require him to be evil.  He is also too reliant on seals leaving a vulnerability in his character. He seems to enjoy bloodshed too much and so it would be easy to manipulate him by promising he gets to kill.  He is loyal to the Anrufe very much and will not betray them and enjoys his work of gathering souls for them. His vulnerability would most likely be obtained in his lust for blood which can never be sated.
Hikaru is absolutely right. As for how you did with what you gave me..

Yes, Zere is obviously considered by normal standards as borderline insane. He isn't necessarily angry a lot as much as he gets pissed off easily, perhaps due to the fact that he is impatient. I don't know if chaotic really describes him well, either. Of course, he does love to kill people. Fighting goes hand-in-hand with that, though he does not enjoy fighting quite as much. I don't think he's very unpredictable at all, and it seems unlikely to me that anyone IC or OOC would be ANNOYED by him, unless he's yelling across the battlefield calling people names or something.
The Anrufe are aimed to be antagonists, obviously. So, yes, Zere can be regarded as evil. It depends what you consider evil to be. Evil when judged on a moral balance includes Zere, while evil in comparison to others makes Zere look like a termite. Just look at other characters like Koty and Chaos. Zere is a mere henchman, basically, though he is high in the Anrufe chain of command.
I don't think Zere has ever used Corruption Magic. He does, obviously, use seals. He loves to kill and bloodshed too, except when he has to clean up the blood, because who wants to do that? He isn't as much loyal to the Anrufe as it is that he serves the Anrufe. He may have other motives, though that has not been discussed. At the time, he serves the Anrufe, but loyalty is a bond and he is not tied to the Anrufe, so that might not be the right word for him -- he would betray them if he had a reason.

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Re: Ascending the Throne
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2010, 08:07:00 PM »
You get a D for that Assessment.

Now using what K2 gave you, and reading http://galactic.wikia.com/wiki/Zere , do another one.
This time, go deeper. Say EVERY damn thing you can possibly say about the character through what you see in reading.

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Re: Ascending the Throne
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2010, 05:08:50 PM »
Zere used to be a Guardian of Erebus and due to that was originally one of the guardians but later betrayed them for the district and brought about the second Genesis-Phoenix War. As a result of that he is judged to be a manipulative character and one who enjoys killing as a hobby. He would be quick to turn against whoever he allies with unfortunately. In addition he is a criminal though because of his involvement with the Anrufe which led to the unfortunate beginning of the StarClan-Anrufe War. Now though Zere is more chaotic of a person. At times he will kill but at other times he will not. In battle, his joy for killing is a good thing for him as it allows him to kill without remorse simply for the enjoyment of killing. His fighting style in battle involves nothing besides magic making him vulnerable to the force or other techniques. Another flaw in his personality is that he is somewhat perverted  and likes to disguise himself.
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Re: Ascending the Throne
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2010, 06:28:26 PM »
....F, G, and any lower grade I can give you.
All you did was basically repeat K2 and yourself, and copy the wiki. What the hell?
Even without asking K2, I can pretty much analyze that there's deeper reasons to the characters motives. And you didn't bring up ANY.
Therefore before we even analyze. We're going to basics.

Lesson 1: Hero and Villians

In your words, tell me what they both are.

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Re: Ascending the Throne
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2010, 06:32:35 PM »
Heroes are ones who serve the side of good and who are usually unable to be corrupted. They fight for the benefit of people and never do things for profit though in some cases they do. These usually engage Villains, Robbers or other criminals in pitched combat.

Villains on the other hand are wicked hearted and enjoy causing panic. They enjoy robberies, murders and many other crimes including Rape, and causing people to have pain for eternity. They are black hearted scoundrels who enjoy causing heroes to die and causing general pain. These usually hold people for ransom and also enjoy killing indiscriminately.

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Re: Ascending the Throne
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2010, 06:41:59 PM »
..........No. F again.

Choose a Villian and a Hero, any. Just nothing from Marvel.

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Re: Ascending the Throne
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2010, 06:51:23 PM »
Hmm. I think I will compare

Darth Bane  to  Luke Skywalker.

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Re: Ascending the Throne
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2010, 07:01:19 PM »
...This should make the lesson easier.

What can you tell me about Darth Bane and Luke?
Use the wiki articles if you must. Just explain to me their personality and why you see Darth as the villian and Luke as the hero.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darth_Bane http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Skywalker

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Re: Ascending the Throne
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2010, 07:48:12 PM »
Darth Bane Summary
He is a person who is mainly after power since he subconsciously killed his father by utilizing the force in revenge for the tortures his father put him through. He wounded a soldier in the republic marking his travel to the sith and the beginning of him turning evil and very dark and powerful.  For a time though he lost faith in the dark side of the force but with the assistance of a former Jedai named Githany he regained his control of the dark side of the force. However when the rest of the sith went to Ruusan he didn’t accompany them but instead of that he decided to hone his own abilities and got these things called Orbalisks attached to his body. Kaan sent Kas’im to make Bane come and assist the Sith. However when Bane refused there was a fight between himself and Kas’Im and he managed to kill Kas’im with his light saber even though the battle war had for Bane he succeeded. This shows that he is resilient. However he was poisoned by Githany who used a rare toxin to kill him. However even that would not kill Bane as he met a Healer named Kaleb who provided an Antidote when Bane threatened to kill his daughter showing Bane has a drive to succeed at whatever he decides to perform. One example of this is in the part where he learns about a ritual to transfer his essence into the body of Zannah, his apprentice. He defeats her at first in light saber combat but the tides are turned when she used her Sith Sorcery on him and in the end he loses. This shows he got far too old and weak. However part of him still lives on in Zannah so it is not a total defeat for him in all actuality.


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Re: Ascending the Throne
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2010, 07:49:26 PM »
So what does that tell you about his personality and motives?

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Re: Ascending the Throne
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2010, 08:41:14 PM »
It tells me that he is a schemer, ruthless, prone to anger a lot, enjoys fighting and also enjoys planned battles and planned acts of cruelty that he knows will work out in his advantage.

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Re: Ascending the Throne
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2010, 09:05:37 PM »
I apologize for butting in, but since this class is related to mine, I figured I'd be able to offer my 'two cents.'

If that's what you got from your own post, Hawkeye, you must have horrific people skills. If my father tortured me, I'd probably kill him too. Torture is a horrible thing, and people get VERY desperate to get out of it. And, to quote Hikaru:

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    Hawkeye doesn't seem to understand the link of background story...
    And how a hard past will make a character have motives of darkness later...
    No matter what the hell I hammer into him to analyze...he just doesn't get it.
Seeing the world through a child's eyes is truly a unique experience. It helps you to retrieve that sense of awe, magic and wonder that you lost as you lost your innocence. Tell me, when was the last time that you thought of those childhood dreams? You know, the ones that you used to spend all your time wondering and fantasizing about? Have you forgotten them so easily? Have you forgotten what it felt like to see something for the first time, to see the magic in the mundane? Everyone says you should take the time to 'Stop and smell the roses'. But you should also take the time to look for the fairies, embrace the wind and enjoy the rain. Just once today, stop for a moment and look into that little piece of nature you pass everyday. Perhaps you may see something you did not notice before.

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Re: Ascending the Throne
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2010, 10:13:59 AM »
It tells me that he has become cruel as a result of life in the mines and what his dad did to him and this cruelty got worse when he worked as a Sith Soldier and then compounded into him becoming evil once he became a Sith Lord with the title of Darth to identify him as a Sith Lord.

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Re: Ascending the Throne
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2010, 01:15:27 PM »
Alright. So you're starting to see motives. But just incase you still don't get it. I've got a pretty good idea where to start with you now.

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"Characters are........"

And the answer to that?
They are Human Beings, or Sage, Relorian, Aralang, race doesn't matter. We're not referring to human as the race, but as people.
Characters are people, and until you see them as such, you will fail at characterization.

When you RP, you don't just RP for yourself, you also RP for the ones to RP with you and read the RP. And even though you make them up. People want your characters to be "real."
They want them to be whole and alive, believable, and worth caring about. They want to know your characters as much as they know family, friends, even themselves.

I'm sorry, but at this point in time. As a reader, I can't care about Avidan, Gallaghar, and Laura and what happens to them, as much as I care to see what happens to K2 or Koty and their fate and paths.
Because you have not given us anything to go by to care for your characters. We can't see them as real people..
When making your character, you want people to know more about them than they know any person in real life. Because fiction plays on understanding human nature and behavior.
And we're roleplaying fiction.

So then?
What is a character?
A character is what they do. When someone makes an action, it leads to ones around them, forming an already created judgment on who they are and their personality, before even speaking to them.
In observing life, if you watch people and how they act, you form conclusions.

 Example: A man and a woman meet and talk, minutes later, they hug. What does this tell you? They're close, friendly, or a couple. People are made around actions, and in fiction and roleplaying. This is no different.
In observation, people are formed in our minds from what they do, and this gives us an idea of what they are or who they are. It's the strongest and most important form of Characterization. It's also the easiest.

When your character steals something? We know they're a thief, or desperate. If they execute someone, we'll know they're cruel or just. If they tell two different people a different side of a story, we'll know they're a liar.
It's the easiest form, but it's shallow. And this is where YOU are stuck in Characterization.

In roleplaying this isn't enough. Just as rin real life, watching someone and seeing their actions is NOT enough to know who they really, are. You can say they're a liar, but that's only judging by actions. You can say their a thief, but do you know why? Do you know the deeper and inner reasons as to why they decided to do such an act? No. You don't, you only know what you've judged. And that's why we come to what I've been trying to teach you about villians, heros, and all of characterization.

MOTIVES!

When you observe the thief stealing something. Would you see them as nothing but a lowly thief, if you knew they were doing it to feed themselves because their government decided to take everything they had?
The ruler that executed someone, would you see them as cruel, if you knew the person had millions of chances and tried to assassinate said ruler? Or if they were a rebel and a freedom fighter, would you see the ruler as just?
A vilian who has tried to kill a character the whole RP, would you see them as truly, evil, if you knew that the character they're trying to kill wronged them in their past?
Would you blame a villian for being evil if you knew they were abused all their life?
    The woman and the man. You'd judge them one way, if you knew that the man had a wife at home, and was hugging this stranger affectionatly. And you'd see them another, if you knew they were friends seeing each other. These acts take on a completely different meaning when you know the the info behind them.
And that is the lesson I am trying to teach you.

Motive is what gives moral value to a characters acts. No matter what a character does, good, awful, it's never morally absolute. Even in evil and good.
What could be a murder, can be self defense. What can be seen as thievery, could be a job, the only way they could survive, or something else all together.
A kiss could be deception, betrayal, or seduction.
And in hero and villian, and any other archetype you can think of, this is no different. They all have motives, they all have reasons, and they are never just one archetype in the end.
A character is what he or she does, but even more, what they mean to do.


But how can we understand a Characters motives?
With another little thing called.....
BACKSTORY

Before we move on to that however.
Your assignment is to create a character with just name and age.
I want you to ask questions to yourself about said character, until you find the motive behind their actions.
When done, post character here.

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Re: Ascending the Throne
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2010, 11:32:49 PM »
Sorry to step in again Hawkeye, but she only said his name and age. She didn't tell you to post his motives right then and there.
Seeing the world through a child's eyes is truly a unique experience. It helps you to retrieve that sense of awe, magic and wonder that you lost as you lost your innocence. Tell me, when was the last time that you thought of those childhood dreams? You know, the ones that you used to spend all your time wondering and fantasizing about? Have you forgotten them so easily? Have you forgotten what it felt like to see something for the first time, to see the magic in the mundane? Everyone says you should take the time to 'Stop and smell the roses'. But you should also take the time to look for the fairies, embrace the wind and enjoy the rain. Just once today, stop for a moment and look into that little piece of nature you pass everyday. Perhaps you may see something you did not notice before.

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Re: Ascending the Throne
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2010, 09:59:07 AM »
(I did that so I didn't lose them before I could post them. )
Name : Verisco
Age : 15

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Re: Ascending the Throne
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2010, 10:53:17 PM »
Either way, that is contradictory to the point of the lesson.
Seeing the world through a child's eyes is truly a unique experience. It helps you to retrieve that sense of awe, magic and wonder that you lost as you lost your innocence. Tell me, when was the last time that you thought of those childhood dreams? You know, the ones that you used to spend all your time wondering and fantasizing about? Have you forgotten them so easily? Have you forgotten what it felt like to see something for the first time, to see the magic in the mundane? Everyone says you should take the time to 'Stop and smell the roses'. But you should also take the time to look for the fairies, embrace the wind and enjoy the rain. Just once today, stop for a moment and look into that little piece of nature you pass everyday. Perhaps you may see something you did not notice before.