Author Topic: Epoch circles and you! (AMENDED)  (Read 1836 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Embodiment of Cringe

  • Prison Convict
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,433
    • View Profile
Epoch circles and you! (AMENDED)
« on: December 20, 2010, 07:48:44 PM »
You've probably seen them in action, and you more than likely know what they're all about. But let's just go over something that people are neglecting as of late.

Epoch Circles are the territory of God. The person/thing holding the philosophers stone is God of that territory. In False Heaven's case, this is.. well, False Heaven. Eve is the philosopher's stone, and takes epoch circle commands from admins like Hasley. She puts the code/rules/commands of the Admins above all else at all times.

Now that you know how False Heaven does it's trippy Epoch circle stuff, here's another lesson. Take ANY law of how our universe works in every possible way. EVERY law.
Epoch circles ignore them. That's right Newton, you're outta the picture. You too Edison and Thomas Jefferson. Same for you Einstein and definitely you Aristotle. Epoch circles can bend, deny, and control the laws of existence itself. They can ban the existence of a certain object, or type of law, magic, energy, life itself, and they can even take the laws mentioned earlier and mess with them some more (Falling down? Let's try falling up. Opposites attract? No way. Time goes forward? How about backwards?)
Know that when a Epoch circle is created, it's not automatically bizzarro world inside them (everything is denied, messed up, whatever) all at once, the controller of the circle must will the circle to do whatever it is they want it to do.
Epoch circles also create/destroy matter/energy, also shooting down whats-his-face's law. Creating Black holes? Sure! How about antimatter? Go ahead! You name it, they do it.

Except a few rules.

-The laws they mess up cannot contradict themselves. You can't make something exist and not exist at the same time. That's not possible. Same thing with controlling time inside them, you can't make it go forward AND backward at the same time. If, by some sheer miracle and deus ex machina that you somehow can, you must explain how the hell it is possible. Saying 'because the epoch circle can do it' is not a valid answer because it just messes with laws, you're the one saying it can do certain things that normally should not happen. To get technical, if such a conflict arises and if it can't be explained as to why it happens, the existence's normal (Or nearest to being normal) law takes priority over the one it contradicts. So if time tried to move forward and backward, it would just move forward. Existence versus nonexistence just turns out to be regular existence.
-The Epoch circles can not, under any circumstance, break the 4th wall or even slightly even suggest it will. That goes against the rules of the RP. Just because it certainly looks like it can doesn't mean it can. Save that for joke topics that have nothing to do with IC where there's no rules against anything that happens.
-If an embodiment were to use their own force against the same opposing force in a circle, they both cancel out with, again, the normal one taking priority.

So Epoch circles have the potential to do anything and everything. But how do you avoid such a catastrophic end?
Simple. DON'T GET IN A CIRCLE. Unfortunately, if you're on False Heaven, you're already in one. Over 7.3 billion potential circles to be exact, covering every atom in every direction possible. If you're in it's pocket dimension, you're screwed doubly. The pocket dimension has it's existence edited to consist of solely epoch circles, False Heaven and it's residents/items/stuff, and it's people inside False Heaven. In other words, if you don't want to get screwed over, DON'T GO TO FALSE HEAVEN.

Now to explain validness of circles! A epoch circle only works if the person that owns it is touching it. False Heaven as a whole owns the circles, so any that touch it are valid and can screw you over. If an Epoch circle that's not valid touches a valid one, the validness copies over and then THAT circle is valid along with the original one! Make a giant net of epoch circle the size of Uranus, and whaddaya get? A Uranus of validness!

TL;DR VERSION
1. Epoch circles don't care about laws of existence; they OWN the laws of existence.
2. If you're in False Heaven, you're in a Epoch circle NO MATTER WHAT.
3. You need a philosopher stone to work Epoch circles, and Philosopher stones are tied to their owners; NO ONE ELSE CAN USE THEM. Nice try attacking False Heaven everyone, because you gain ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
4. Stay out of an Epoch circle and False Heaven if you don't want to die anytime soon. kthx.


This Zai Guide was dedicated to...
Hawkeye, who can't take a fucking hint about False Heaven and how utterly pointless it is for him to even try to take it for it's stuff.
People that knew some things about Epoch circles but needed a refresher/needed something to look off of for reference.
Nirosin and Lyoko222 so they can better defend False Heaven and use that silly alchemist Faote better.
Me because I got to say bad words and tell Newton to fuck off. 8{D
« Last Edit: May 13, 2011, 07:23:12 AM by Zai »
TEH WINNAR LOOSER OF TEH SHATTED PLAINS


Offline Queen Bright

  • Subgrounded
  • Everyone
  • Mad Scientist
  • *
  • Posts: 5,727
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
Re: Epoch circles and you!
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2011, 06:41:25 AM »
Denied. I don't know what I was on when I read through this and like.. didn't say anything against it.

NerdTests.com says I'm a High Nerd.  Click here to take the Nerd Test, get geeky images and jokes, and write on the nerd forum!

-------------
Characters (In-Play):     Kurai Kuro  Rev  Gen  Rin    Hikari  Relle   Fido  Gwyn(Satya
Characters (Out of Play): 
Races: Phoenix Sages  Gryphon Sages Unicorn Sages  Aetas
Territories:
Kotah & Ezael: Intergalactic Academy
Asura: Records of Time
Rev & Gen: City of Lus
 Gryphon Sages - Aurum

Offline Gaserlake

  • VIP Member
  • Emperor
  • *
  • Posts: 3,396
    • View Profile
Re: Epoch circles and you!
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2011, 07:05:52 AM »
Denied. Ignoring the laws of Existence, and being outside of Existence? Yeah, no. Unless, you give Smith a strip club.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2011, 07:06:09 AM by Gaserlake »

Offline @Pokemon Master Red

  • Sounds like Ozzy Osbourne as a Chimneysweep reading Shakespeare
  • Retired Staff
  • Emperor
  • *****
  • Posts: 3,816
  • Sure, gimme what'eva you got
    • View Profile
    • Undead Rise
Re: Epoch circles and you!
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2011, 08:44:09 PM »
Hik, could you please explain why exactly your disapproving it? Im confused about that, since you never really mentioned.
Do you have what it takes to change your destiny, to defy FATE itself?
Let us test the limits of your abilities, and see if you have the WILL to do what no one else tries.

"TARGET VERIFIED-COMMENCING HOSTILITIES!"
-Nineball Seraph


 

-Credit to the magnificent UnStellar for the above two. May all his epicness remain eternally!

Offline Queen Bright

  • Subgrounded
  • Everyone
  • Mad Scientist
  • *
  • Posts: 5,727
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
Re: Epoch circles and you!
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2011, 08:54:56 PM »
Um. Just read it? EVERY LAW? Including out of Shattered Planes RP as a whole? ....Definite denial.

NerdTests.com says I'm a High Nerd.  Click here to take the Nerd Test, get geeky images and jokes, and write on the nerd forum!

-------------
Characters (In-Play):     Kurai Kuro  Rev  Gen  Rin    Hikari  Relle   Fido  Gwyn(Satya
Characters (Out of Play): 
Races: Phoenix Sages  Gryphon Sages Unicorn Sages  Aetas
Territories:
Kotah & Ezael: Intergalactic Academy
Asura: Records of Time
Rev & Gen: City of Lus
 Gryphon Sages - Aurum

Offline K2

  • Leader
  • Anomaly
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,196
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Epoch circles and you!
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2011, 01:43:08 PM »
It is border-line godmodish, even Zai admitted it when he created it.

Offline Queen Bright

  • Subgrounded
  • Everyone
  • Mad Scientist
  • *
  • Posts: 5,727
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
Re: Epoch circles and you!
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2011, 06:16:20 PM »
Borderline? You call EVERY LAW borderline? Including going completely out of Reality?

NerdTests.com says I'm a High Nerd.  Click here to take the Nerd Test, get geeky images and jokes, and write on the nerd forum!

-------------
Characters (In-Play):     Kurai Kuro  Rev  Gen  Rin    Hikari  Relle   Fido  Gwyn(Satya
Characters (Out of Play): 
Races: Phoenix Sages  Gryphon Sages Unicorn Sages  Aetas
Territories:
Kotah & Ezael: Intergalactic Academy
Asura: Records of Time
Rev & Gen: City of Lus
 Gryphon Sages - Aurum

Offline Gaserlake

  • VIP Member
  • Emperor
  • *
  • Posts: 3,396
    • View Profile
Re: Epoch circles and you!
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2011, 10:25:35 PM »
It's waaaaaaay godmodding. Godmodding to the extreme... Hell, it's pretty much one of the most godmodding ways possible. If it breaks EVERY LAW, then it can do ANYTHING. It can instantly destroy the dimensional plane. Yes, INSTANT! Oh! I know! I'll just be a real dick, and destroy everything in existence, ending SP as we know it!

Offline @Pokemon Master Red

  • Sounds like Ozzy Osbourne as a Chimneysweep reading Shakespeare
  • Retired Staff
  • Emperor
  • *****
  • Posts: 3,816
  • Sure, gimme what'eva you got
    • View Profile
    • Undead Rise
Re: Epoch circles and you!
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2011, 11:24:55 PM »
Um...To be fair, Gaser, he DID say it only affects things within the circle. So he cant destroy everything in existence, just the stuff in the Epoch Circle.
Do you have what it takes to change your destiny, to defy FATE itself?
Let us test the limits of your abilities, and see if you have the WILL to do what no one else tries.

"TARGET VERIFIED-COMMENCING HOSTILITIES!"
-Nineball Seraph


 

-Credit to the magnificent UnStellar for the above two. May all his epicness remain eternally!

Offline K2

  • Leader
  • Anomaly
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,196
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Epoch circles and you!
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2011, 03:31:17 PM »
It's waaaaaaay godmodding. Godmodding to the extreme... Hell, it's pretty much one of the most godmodding ways possible. If it breaks EVERY LAW, then it can do ANYTHING. It can instantly destroy the dimensional plane. Yes, INSTANT! Oh! I know! I'll just be a real dick, and destroy everything in existence, ending SP as we know it!

Two words.

Anti-Spirit Energy.

Offline Zero

  • Anomaly
  • *
  • Posts: 8,210
  • The Science King
    • View Profile
Re: Epoch circles and you!
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2011, 06:47:55 PM »
And also barriers around yourself could prevent the circles from coming in contact with you.

Offline Embodiment of Cringe

  • Prison Convict
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,433
    • View Profile
Re: Epoch circles and you!
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2011, 04:45:33 AM »
This topic is still being disputed?

Look. The only two characters that can legally pull this off outside of False Heaven is Faotemaru (Whom is MIA, and may forever be.) and Eve (Probably will never leave the station.)

Second, take a look at the forum title. Grimoire. A place where magic is placed and discussed. MAGIC.
http://galactic.wikia.com/wiki/The_first_banned_magic

So unless I'm mistaken, to 'ban' this magic is to pretty much limit ALL magic. All of it. Before you ban this thing, I want you to ban everything else like it and more powerful than it, and have a set system concerning specific magic spells that must be limited. Otherwise, you're going against everything that was established previously, which was 'being able to use magic without limits' or whatever it was.

I spent weeks making up this epoch circle system, Faotemaru, False Heaven (The fact it's held out this long is proof enough of how well I've constructed it's defenses and was more than happy to give Nisorin/Lyoko222 instructions on how to properly use it unlike anyone else that dumps stuff on people and expects them to learn.), Eve, everything. And just because you don't want this thing to be used against you, you just labelled it 'banned' like just another piece of overpowered technology, despite the rules previously established?

I may not control Faotemaru, Eve, or anyone for that matter any longer, but it really pains me to see something I put so much effort in onto this site and willingly gave it to someone so that they could use it and give their characters a bit more to work with just because someone doesn't want to mess with the guy that has it. I gave my stuff so they could be used and that not everything I contributed was put to waste, and I felt Nisorin and lyoko222 could make the best use out of it. And now it, along with practically the main defense/weapon of False Heaven is now banned.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2011, 05:54:25 AM by Zai »
TEH WINNAR LOOSER OF TEH SHATTED PLAINS


Offline Queen Bright

  • Subgrounded
  • Everyone
  • Mad Scientist
  • *
  • Posts: 5,727
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
Re: Epoch circles and you!
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2011, 06:00:53 AM »
It wasn't just banned, it was denied until someone could further explain or compromise. And it's not being unreasonable or meant to be denied just because we don't want to lose. It's because you're denying ALL laws of existence. Not just a few, all. How is that even possible? I had a lengthy argument given on how that's not possible as it'd contradict its self, but as bad as my memory is I can't remember it at this time and I'm not home to get the log, sorry. 


But as soon as I possibly can either get the log and re-find my argument, or remember everything, then I can't properly answer this as well as you'd like. It'll probably be half-answered and start a flame war. But it's only contested because it's not possible, not because it's overpowered. (Even though it is.) If it wasn't every law then maybe.


But really. Even the law of being in the RP? That's definitely not possible. It'd be breaking the 4th wall or causing a crossover... But seeing as the RP encompasses all existence.. even a crossover would be IN the RP. To go outside the RP would ... yeah, be breaking the 4th wall due to the type of RP SP is.


If you can possibly explain how you can break every law, by specifying a few of the big ones to where they DON'T contradict even existing, then I'll pull back my denial. But how can you break all laws of existence and still exist...?
« Last Edit: May 13, 2011, 06:01:38 AM by Hikaru »

NerdTests.com says I'm a High Nerd.  Click here to take the Nerd Test, get geeky images and jokes, and write on the nerd forum!

-------------
Characters (In-Play):     Kurai Kuro  Rev  Gen  Rin    Hikari  Relle   Fido  Gwyn(Satya
Characters (Out of Play): 
Races: Phoenix Sages  Gryphon Sages Unicorn Sages  Aetas
Territories:
Kotah & Ezael: Intergalactic Academy
Asura: Records of Time
Rev & Gen: City of Lus
 Gryphon Sages - Aurum

Offline Embodiment of Cringe

  • Prison Convict
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,433
    • View Profile
Re: Epoch circles and you!
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2011, 06:07:57 AM »
Denial = still banned, making it a new word does not change it. To deny it means to deny it's use. Same thing with Banning.

Next, You wanted me to explain how it can possibly negate all laws of practically everything. Let me answer that question with another question. Explain magic and how it works. If I don't have the answer to that, I can't explain Epoch circles, because I can't possibly explain how something like that works if the base of it can't possibly be explained. Last I checked, we were going with more or less the "Fuck you, it's magic" sort of rule.

Moving on, If whatever is in them is denied existence, they cease to exist. They don't still exist, they're gone. Again, this can easily be avoided by just avoiding the circles in general. Being in False Heaven practically means you're in a massive ball of them. However, they can give back their existence, but that doesn't mean they didn't cease to exist. The guy controlling the circle would have to reconstruct everything they made not exist.

Finally, No 4th wall breaking or anything related to the 4th wall and the RP. I did not consider that a 'law' per say when typing this up, and will amend my original post if it's actually an issue with this magic.

Also, another thing, not too sure if it was understood. Epoch circles can possibly break any law. Just because they're created doesn't automatically mean it's bizzarro world inside of them, but whoever controls them can do whatever they want with them.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2011, 06:14:45 AM by Zai »
TEH WINNAR LOOSER OF TEH SHATTED PLAINS


Offline Queen Bright

  • Subgrounded
  • Everyone
  • Mad Scientist
  • *
  • Posts: 5,727
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
Re: Epoch circles and you!
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2011, 06:24:17 AM »
Quote from: Zai
Creating another whole universe outside of Shattered Planes? Please do, cause I hate this place.

That's what made me think you were breaking the fourth wall. Sounded like going out of the entire RP all together.

As for the circles, so it's not every law all at once? Because that's what I have the problem with. How it was worded it sounded like that, and that just... does not seem possible. Every law at once... I can't even picture it. Like if forward and backward don't exist, what the hell is there? Kinda thing...  If the law of existence and everything else can be denied, then how does the circle its self exist?

Anyways. If it's not all at once, then that's different. No more huge contradiction. I'll pull back my denial.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2011, 06:27:43 AM by Hikaru »

NerdTests.com says I'm a High Nerd.  Click here to take the Nerd Test, get geeky images and jokes, and write on the nerd forum!

-------------
Characters (In-Play):     Kurai Kuro  Rev  Gen  Rin    Hikari  Relle   Fido  Gwyn(Satya
Characters (Out of Play): 
Races: Phoenix Sages  Gryphon Sages Unicorn Sages  Aetas
Territories:
Kotah & Ezael: Intergalactic Academy
Asura: Records of Time
Rev & Gen: City of Lus
 Gryphon Sages - Aurum

Offline Embodiment of Cringe

  • Prison Convict
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,433
    • View Profile
Re: Epoch circles and you!
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2011, 06:33:07 AM »
The creating another whole universe was most definitely a joke and was written to give the topic substance.

And yes, I highly doubt all laws of existence could be messed up all at once. If such a thing were to happen, the user of the epoch circles would have to explain how it could possibly work (Why even such a thing would be useful is beyond me.). Otherwise, no, not possible. I did not realize these points at all and am actually quite glad you brought them up, otherwise I would have never had even begin to think of them.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2011, 06:44:04 AM by Zai »
TEH WINNAR LOOSER OF TEH SHATTED PLAINS


Offline Queen Bright

  • Subgrounded
  • Everyone
  • Mad Scientist
  • *
  • Posts: 5,727
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
Re: Epoch circles and you!
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2011, 06:49:42 AM »
Kay then,  I pull back my denial.

Question for future knowledge though.

If an embodiment ends up in a circle and tries to use their power, who wins? The caster of the circle or the embodiment who is literally the force they govern? Like if Time ended up in one, or Fate, etc.

NerdTests.com says I'm a High Nerd.  Click here to take the Nerd Test, get geeky images and jokes, and write on the nerd forum!

-------------
Characters (In-Play):     Kurai Kuro  Rev  Gen  Rin    Hikari  Relle   Fido  Gwyn(Satya
Characters (Out of Play): 
Races: Phoenix Sages  Gryphon Sages Unicorn Sages  Aetas
Territories:
Kotah & Ezael: Intergalactic Academy
Asura: Records of Time
Rev & Gen: City of Lus
 Gryphon Sages - Aurum

Offline Embodiment of Cringe

  • Prison Convict
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,433
    • View Profile
Re: Epoch circles and you!
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2011, 07:02:41 AM »
I'd say they'd cancel each other out, as long as the embodiment is indeed using their own force they govern versus the guy controlling the circle. If two laws were to contradict one another in the circle, the most normal one takes priority. So say the embodiment of time wants to move time backwards, while the guy controlling the circle wants to move it forwards. Since time moves forwards normally, it would take priority, and vice versa (Embodiment moving it forwards > Circle guy moving it backwards.). This rule also applies if the controller of the circle themselves made laws contradicting one another; The most normal one takes priority.

Amended the original post to include everything.
TEH WINNAR LOOSER OF TEH SHATTED PLAINS