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Dimensional Findings
« on: January 21, 2010, 04:11:43 PM »
Today, I made a formula to describe the dimensional plane using information we already have on existence. Below are a few of my findings:

1. Dimensional/Universe Connection Theory
This one isn't from my formula, but merely a proposal for plot purposes. Every universe has a corresponding universe in another dimension. As a result, instead of the breakdown being dimensions >>> universes, it's universes >>> dimensions. Also, some dimensions may not have alternate universes. This would be due to the magical connection / natural magic theory stating that everything is connected to each other.

2. Destruction Of Dimensions
Plot-wise, a dimension has never been destroyed.. To our knowledge, anyway. It is unknown what would happen in the case of the destruction of a dimension, but if all of the dimensions on a charge/side of a dimensional plane (Positive or Negative) were to be destroyed, it would probably destroy the entire dimensional plane, though I'm not sure. Another possible theory is that without life to balance out death or death to balance out life, the entire dimensional plane would basically become hell. It is possible that the side formerly with dimensions would simply cease to exist and its energy and magic would spread out into the dimensional sea and reintegrate it, over many years rebuilding the missing side and a dimension or dimensions inside it.

3. Cores
Again more of an addition for plot purposes, at the middle of each side of the plane is a dimensional core which is basically a dimension which absorbs any excess energy or magic in the charge and harnesses it into energy to sustain itself. Because of this, each side basically functions as its own life. If one were to attach a spirit to the dimension, they would give it complete life. Those of you who know about the anime ending, you know a little bit about one of these dimensional cores already, but the other core is unknown at the moment and does not, to our knowledge, have a spirit attached to it. These cores also help to sustain the walls of the dimensional plane with beams of some sort which spread out from the center of the charges of the dimensional plane to the walls.

4. Destruction Of Walls Or Core Beams

If either a wall of Core Beam were to be destroyed, the result would be spreading of dimensional energy and magic outwards in a burst. Some of the energy would hit the impenetrable walls of Heaven and Erebus as well as other dimensions. This would cause them to bounce off the walls. Some energy would be bounced back to the core, as a result, almost certainly. This energy being bounced back would cause the dimensional cores to overload and explode with some kind of energy or magic unique to them as a result of this nature. This power would burn a hole into the fabrics of the 'canavas' of existence and the plane itself, causing a rip into an unknown blackness, presumably the darkness 'God hovered over at creation', though what exists here is unknown.

5. Dimensional Sea Unbalance
If the Dimensional Sea does not have a perfect balance of Corruption/Divine magic, it will either burn through or cause withering to the dimensional plane walls, resulting in the situation I described in finding four.

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Re: Dimensional Findings
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2010, 03:39:20 PM »
Bump. I'll be editing this in an hour or two to include a new concept...

Static vs Dynamic Dimensions and Revolutionary Dimension Oscilation (RDO) in the Dimensional Plane Theory, my proposed addition to the science behind Dimensional Planes.

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Re: Dimensional Findings
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2010, 05:32:38 PM »
I just decided to make a new post on it. This one's a lot less mathematic so far and more logical.

The Dimensional Plane Theory and Revolutionary Dimension Oscillation (RDO): Theory Of Oscillation And Revolution in Dimensions

The idea of a dimension gives birth to, in one aspect, two hypothetical types of a dimension, only one likely, hypothetically, existing. While both could hypothetically exist, I suspect only one type is natural. I give the terms names of Static Dimension and Dynamic Dimension. This part of the Dimensional Plane Theory assumes existence of dynamic dimensions.



Model 1 displays a Static Dimension, AKA a dimension as we've known it so far. The walls structure the dimension. The content is the dimension itself and all its matter/energy. The data busses bring energy from and to the dimension/dimensional core. The dimensional walls are made up almost entirely of dimensional energy.

That's all good and well, but alternatively, dimensions could work in a more animated matter. Why do I suggest this? We know that between dimensions exists a dimensional radiation. Wouldn't this radiation, then, leak into dimensional walls? Not under the Dynamic Set-up.

Dynamic Setup
The dynamic setup takes use of what I call R.D.O. RDO stands for Revolutionary Dimensional Oscillation. Under dynamic setup, every dimension has RDO. (The cores do not have RDO). So, what does that mean?



In Model 2, notice the arrows. Those arrows point out the very basic form of the R of RDO. Revolution. But, what does that mean, revolution, and how does it pertain to the dimensional plane? Just what do all these arrows mean and how do they pertain to RDO?

I propose that dimensions are constantly moving, changing location. Not just that, but they are revolving around the dimensional core itself. They move in a counter-clockwise course course which alternates between counter-clockwise and clockwise (for more on this, see the next post.) around the dimensional core. At all times. Just as a planet moves around the sun.

The dimensional plane has what we call a Fixed Space Capacity, or an FSC. Meaning, its area is finite (and fixed). This means that the distance between the core and the dimension itself is fixed, or rather, has a value. Let's call that value d. The d-value is an example of FSC. The distance can't be an infinite number, because it can't be larger than the size of the dimensional plane, or in this case, more specifically, the dimensional charge.

Basics, here, I know, but... If three objects, let's say... Apples, are of a certain and same D-Value from a center point, say, an orange, then they are at equal distance from the core. Meaning, the apples are all, say, two inches from the orange, though they are spread out around it. Now, let's say the apples all move at the same speed on the same course around the orange for an entire revolution, 360 degrees. Let's say that the revolution takes ten seconds to complete.

Now, let's say that those apples are actually rotating around, say, a sun. They are still at the same D-Value from the sun as they were from the orange (ignoring the reality that the apples would be effected by the heat of the sun) and are still moving around the same course at the same speed. But the sun is so much larger than an orange. Because of this, it will take the apples significantly longer amounts of time to revolve around the sun than they would the orange.

That being said, the dimensional cores have to be HUGE to be connected to hundreds of dimensions on the positive side. The dimensional cores are probably sizes we can't even imagine. This means that the revolution would likely take a long while, depending on speed of the dimension movement. There's no telling how long it could take... I'd say likely in the range of a century Earth time, though time is a funny thing when dealing with dimensional planes.

Another thing we have to cover with dimensions and revolution. The energy busses. The energy busses are what connects a dimension to the dimensional core, through which the core absorbs excess, harmful energy inside the dimension and through which it feeds necessary energy to the dimension. This works simple, but what about the revolution of the dimensions? The place which the energy busses connect to the dimensional wall on the dimension are fixed. But what about the core?

Perhaps the location which dimensions connect to the dimensional core are dynamic in location on the core wall itself. The energies of the core wall are constantly pushing the energy busses around the dimensional core, effectively causing the revolution of the dimensions. The energy busses move along the core wall, constantly feeding and eating energy into the core, where it is stored in the Corebank, which then distributes it throughout the core in the form of non-visible energy and into locations in the core where it needs to be placed.

So, on to the Oscillation. What is Oscillation, you may be wondering, and how does it pertain to RDO and the Dimensional Plane Theory? Oscillation is a repetitive variation. Somewhat of a pattern. In this case, it refers to the vibration of the dimensions. While a dimension is revolving, it is also constantly oscillating.

In this, the dimension is literally vibrating. Shaking in small jerks or spasms. It does so in a constant rhythm and motion. This oscillation gives off small particles from the dimensional wall every time it occurs. These particles are constantly being created inside the dimensional walls from dimensional energy which is fed to the dimension from the core. The particles, which I nickname dimitron, contain slight traces of magic.

These dimitrons, after being detached from the dimensional wall by oscillation, attract radiation, dust, waste, etc between dimensions, which it encounters as it floats towards the core. This results in the formation of a sort of ball of 'dimension trash' with dimitrons as the nucleus of the system. Usually these appear to be giant, black shadowballs and can contain who knows what, all of which has been effected by the dimitrons themselves. This makes dimitrons, literally, the 'cleanup crews' between the dimensions, also making it another reason why its dangerous to drift in the space between the dimensions, the radiation already being dangerous enough.

When the dimitron balls reach the walls of the dimensional core (which they will reach eventually, based on the set path they are released from any given oscillation), the core walls absorb the dimitron ball and the core breaks down the individual particles of the ball, storing it along with dimensional energy in the Corebank. Any energy is converted into dimensional energy and matter is sorted so that it can be placed in the core's very own recycle bin, which I call, 'Core Space'.

Core Space is an area in the dimensional core where matter absorbed by the core itself, for whatever reason it has to have been absorbed, is placed. It is, in appearance, similar to the Realm Of Deletrius, only instead of being a realm of lost things, it is a realm of absorbed things. Here, the core can remember any matter which enters it and, if it ever needed to, duplicate the matter. So, if a tree enters the dimensional core's Core Space, the dimensional core might remember the tree.

This also could explain the diverse landscape of the Outerverse. While much of it is a desert-like climate, it has also been depicted as having fertile valleys and even, quite randomly, an abandoned city. Perhaps the cores replicate matter in CoreSpace to determine landscape of the core itself. This would actually explain a lot of things.

Two more things to cover here.

Rotation and The Core Beams
Core Beams, as I said in my original post in this topic, are structures which are fixed in location and stand out from the core to the walls of the entire dimensional plane, to sustain the plane. But we just established that if Dynamic Dimensions are how we decide to roll, the energy busses are constantly moving along the wall. So, how is collision prevented?

It's not. Whenever a dimension reaches a core beam (once every twenty Earth years or so), its energy bus (and the entire dimension, for that matter) merges with the corebeam itself and then demerges on the other side of the core beam. This process takes about three Earth days. In this process, energy can not be taken and given from/to the dimensional core. So, for those three days, dimensions rely on... Magic.

Magic, for these three days, absorbs energy from the dimension, and stores it inside the bodies of the hosts of such magic. Meaning, for example, the excess dimensional energy near a sage would be absorbed inside his body by his soul, and stored there for three days. The magic inside a spellbook would do the same. Magic stores the energy for the period of three days. When three days end, the energy is released from magic in one giant burst.

Perhaps this can explain the idea of the Planetary/Dimension Alignment where sages loose magic? I don't know, that's up to Hikaru.

Dimitron Balls and Core Beams/Energy Busses
Core beams exist throughout the plane, connected to the core, and the dimensions are constantly spinning. Because of this, it is remotely possible for a dimitron ball to collide with either a core beam or a energy bus on the way to the dimensional core. In the instance of that happening with a energy bus, the dimitron ball is 'caught' along the energy bus, meaning its motion stops and it begins to revolve with the energy bus, attached to it. While the energy bus would eventually become corrupt from radiation and what not, the process of corruption would take well over a hundred years before any significant damage could be done, but when an energy bus reaches a core beam every twenty years, the same effect happens to the dimitron ball as it would if it met the core beam on its own.

That being that the dimitron ball is absorbed by the core beam and quickly 'injected' into the part of the dimensional wall which the corebeam is attached to. The dimitron ball then will literally 'bleed out' on the other side of the dimensional wall, inside the dimension itself, where it will float around for awhile until it crashes on the ground of the core. There, it would ordinarily attract everything around it, but since its in the core...

The core would have a stronger hold on everything then the force of the dimitron, and thus, it would fail at absorbing. It would then release its content in a massive burst. Any energy would be absorbed automatically by the core, and the matter would just find itself on the ground somewhere in the Outerverse. Of course, the chances of the scenario of a dimitron ball not meeting the core walls by itself are very slim, so this isn't likely to happen.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2010, 05:36:26 PM by Fantasy »

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Re: Dimensional Findings
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2010, 06:44:25 PM »
I've made a list of topics that need to be covered and I will address those as I can. Also, note, for reasons which will be explained, I've made a change to my above post in the direction of revolution of a dimension. Instead of moving counter-clockwise, I've determined under my theory that it must rotate differently to accomplish its point of dealing with the dimensional radiation.

  • New dimensions, their creation, and the effect of such on the dimensional plane.
  • Counter-clockwise and clock-wise alternation... Included, time it takes for a dimension to reverse revolution direction, and the oscillation's status during these reversal periods.
  • Dimensional Wall Protoskin
  • Dimensional Extraprotoskin Wall Casing (Outerwall) and its link to the Dimensional Wall Protoskin.
  • Secondary Dimensional Content Wall
  • Metadimensional Content Wall (Finskin) and Inner-Wall-Links.
  • Dimensional Core Energy's Effect On RDO
  • Dimensional Energy Subclassification, Breakdown, and Reconstruction
  • Time of Revolution
  • Core Energy Storage Beyond The Corebank
  • Dimitron creations inside the Dimensional Wall
  • Coretrons
  • Dimitron movement from birth location through the walls.
  • Dimitron detachment from the wall.
  • Dimitron's 'magnet' effect.
  • Dimitron Membrane Energy and Attraction Of Radiation to a Dimitron
  • Pre-Dimitron-Absorption by the core: DMEX Formation
  • Dimitron-Absorption by the core: Traveling through wall levels
  • DMEX conversion to original states of matter and energy.
  • Corebank Sorting Of Matter vs Energy: Corevault
  • Corebank's Conversion of DME and other non-dimensional-energies into Dimensional Energy: Corechanger
  • Corebank size variations and main corebank area
  • Communication of Corespace to Mid-Levels (content) of the cores and further explanation of Corespace/Core Duplicate and Landscape effect

I'm also gonna make a less-confusing topic which explains things in a more simple manner.

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Re: Dimensional Findings
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2010, 05:37:20 PM »
[14:23:33] Gaserlake: I've got a better theory of the difference between the universe and the dimension.,
[14:23:40] wolfboy2323: Oh?
[14:23:41] Gaserlake: The difference is that...
[14:23:52] Gaserlake: The universe evolves like IRL universe... expanding, and some even collapsing.
[14:23:57] Gaserlake: A dimension doesn't change.
[14:24:26] Gaserlake: A dimension would have the same size and everything.
[14:24:36] Gaserlake: The universe would continue expanding or it would collapse.
[14:24:41] wolfboy2323: Dude, universes are within dimensions.
[14:24:48] Gaserlake: ...since when was this?
[14:24:49] wolfboy2323: Inside some of them.
[14:24:56] Gaserlake: I proposed that theory.
[14:24:59] Gaserlake: YOu rejected it...
[14:25:03] Gaserlake: saying that it was too mathematical.
[14:25:15] wolfboy2323: See my Dimensional Findings topic, I came up with a solution.
[14:25:27] wolfboy2323: Dimension/Universe Connection clause, first post.
[14:25:37] Gaserlake: alright
[14:25:40] Gaserlake: so...
[14:25:51] Gaserlake: The prison dimension has many universes in it?
[14:26:03] wolfboy2323: If you say so.
[14:26:06] Gaserlake: Yeah....
[14:26:18] Gaserlake: that was the first post explained in the outpost dimension.
[14:26:32] Gaserlake: so... it did go along with my theory..
[14:26:37] Gaserlake: I scrapped it cuz I thought it was rejected./
[14:26:52] Gaserlake: anyway...
[14:27:02] Gaserlake: hmmm...
[14:27:26] Gaserlake: So....
[14:27:31] Gaserlake: When we mention the SP dimension..
[14:27:39] Gaserlake: are we saying a big bubble with many smaller bubbles in it?
[14:27:41] Gaserlake: Cuz...
[14:27:43] Gaserlake: As far as I know..
[14:27:49] Gaserlake: the SP dimension doesn' thave any universes in it.
[14:28:06] wolfboy2323: um yes it does
[14:28:13] Gaserlake: hang on..
[14:28:14] Gaserlake: As a result, instead of the breakdown being dimensions >>> universes, it's universes >>> dimensions.
[14:28:25] wolfboy2323: ...this is why universes are confusing as hell
[14:28:27] Gaserlake: This is saying that dimensions are INSIDE universes.
[14:28:37] wolfboy2323: Not physically.
[14:28:43] wolfboy2323: It's more intertwined.
[14:28:46] Gaserlake: ?
[14:28:57] wolfboy2323: Okay, first off, not all dimensions have universes
[14:29:21] Gaserlake: So... what makes them different from other universes?
[14:29:38] Gaserlake: oh, wait... in order to be a universe, it has to be inside a host, which would be a dimension?
[14:29:41] wolfboy2323: But every universe inside a dimension is linked to a universe in another dimension or not linked at all.
[14:29:47] wolfboy2323: Yes.
[14:29:49] Gaserlake: k
[14:29:54] Gaserlake: that makes more sense.
[14:29:58] Gaserlake: Yeah...
[14:30:00] wolfboy2323: But again multiverse is confusing as fuck
[14:30:05] Gaserlake: you need to add this in the Dimensional Findings topic.
[14:30:10] wolfboy2323: It is in there
[14:30:16] wolfboy2323: eh you paste this log for me
[14:30:24] Gaserlake: Yeah... This was my multiverse theory..
[14:30:39] Gaserlake: Multiverse > Dimension > Universe
[14:30:47] wolfboy2323: Yeah.
[14:30:47] Gaserlake: that was my theory.
[14:31:02] Gaserlake: As far as I know, I am the first to propose that theory...
[14:31:08] Gaserlake: and I've been recognized as such, too.
[14:31:18] Gaserlake: Orph said that my multiverse theory wouldnt' help me in one argument.
[14:31:30] Gaserlake: anyway..
[14:31:31] Gaserlake: As a result, instead of the breakdown being dimensions >>> universes, it's universes >>> dimensions.
[14:31:34] Gaserlake: That is confusing.
[14:31:42] Gaserlake: It's SUPPOSD to be dimension > universe
[14:31:45] Gaserlake: not the other way around.
[14:31:50] Gaserlake: SUPPOSED*
[14:32:22] Gaserlake: so....
[14:32:30] Gaserlake: why did you say that dimensions are in universes?
[14:32:50] Gaserlake: /
[14:32:56] Gaserlake: ?*
[14:33:11] wolfboy2323: Dunno. Anyway brb working on a post
[14:33:14] Gaserlake: k

Basically, it's saying that universes are in dimensions. In order to be a universe, it has to be inside a host, which would be the dimension. I would believe that if the dimension has no universe in it, the dimension would be a universe. When K2 talked about two universes being linked, yet in two different dimensions, I think he meant that the linked universes would be parallel to each other. I would also assume that universes in the same dimension are parallel to each other, as well.

This also made me think another thing: parallel dimensions. I'm not sure if that would be possible in this, but if it is possible, they wouldn't be parallel to each other in the same way that universes are parallel to each other.

Awaiting K2's clarification...
« Last Edit: November 20, 2010, 05:38:21 PM by Gaserlake »

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Re: Dimensional Findings
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2010, 06:23:53 PM »
The way we had it set was that Universes and Dimension were separate, there was the Multiverse, which involved the infinite number of parallel universes. And then Dimensions, which were separate from the Multiverse, completely different things.
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Re: Dimensional Findings
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2010, 06:25:52 PM »
That works too.

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Re: Dimensional Findings
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2010, 06:38:42 PM »
I picture universes in dimensions, as bubbles inside bigger bubbles. To my surprise, it's currently generally accepted. I thought the idea was scrapped, but I found out I was wrong.