Author Topic: Calto the Tormented (Read 10283 times)

Queen Bright · « **Reply #25 on:** January 18, 2012, 02:47:05 PM »

Quote from: Sir Nik the I- Prince of Fishies (and Cows) on January 16, 2012, 02:06:37 PM

Actually, this character is taking their body. That's why it is the absorbing DNA. I never said I was taking their form. I specifically said body. That's why he stays in humanoid form.

Did I complain to staff when someone created a sun on my planet in a single post? No. That's godmodding because it doesn't allow time for the three day rule. You're the one who exploded on me when you just found out you didn't get your way six months ago. You are the one whose whining.

DNA DOES NOT MATTER. It is form, not body if it is through DNA. You are not jumping into their body, you are creating it anew from the DNA. While the actual DNA imprint of the blood may be there, the magic within that persons blood IS NOT. You could 'touch,' say K2s character K2323 or Kai, but that does not give you Genesis as it is an inherited or whatever his method is magic. You would get his DNA, yes. But you would not get his spirit/soul that inherited the power from the King.

You could touch Hikaru, Rev, or another with Revelation. You would get the body and DNA make up but you would not get the bloodline power of Revelation as it only came from a book and when that was consumed, Hikaru herself as well as her descendants through bloodline and spirit ritual. Again, not of the DNA and not of a magic you can just 'steal.'

You could touch a Phoenix who's magic abilities are innate in their blood. You would not get them even if you built their form from their DNA. Why? The blood loses the abilities once it leaves the vicinity of the spirit of that particular Phoenix.

My point is, certain powers you would not be able to obtain and that needs to be seen/agreed on for approval. At most you would get common magic and magic that does not depend on bloodline, spirit, or any other special means that needs to be fulfilled.

Also, again, one touch? 5 minute touch, ritual, hold, something! But one touch like a tap? Too easy and too overpowered.

You would also not have the skill as that falls under memories and training. Their strength skill, maybe. Their learned skills and thought processes? That is of the memory and therefore spirit.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #26 on:** January 18, 2012, 08:05:17 PM »

I did say memories int he thing, right?

Therefore it would copy part of the spirit over to his. Not the whole thing, but part of it.

Even if it were more than a simple tap it would still take an easy millisecond. He is a Templar after all.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #27 on:** January 18, 2012, 09:03:56 PM »

And that's where I deny it. You can't copy the spirit as that is all of a person, it is who they are, their consciousness, their life. To copy that would be breaking even a law of existence. You also couldn't copy it and would have to steal it. So no, no spirit.

Templar does NOT give him godlike powers. I'm already edgy on your Harboring planet topic. I mean god, look at Jeebus's character Jay the ELDER who tires out rather easily. Then your guy can throw out time spell after time spell after time spell without even breaking a sweat? There's something severely OP about that, but not the point.

Last I checked Templars were of time, not spirit. And they are not gods. "He is a templar after all," does not work as an excuse.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #28 on:** January 18, 2012, 09:38:35 PM »

Yes, templars have time powers. So therefore something that would take an hour he could do in a second by altering the speed of time. Not godlike at all.

And now I know you barely read the topic on Helios, because sweat was a detail I specifically was using. Now he is lying limp.

But if it is not all of a spirit it is not all of a person. He only takes memories.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #29 on:** January 18, 2012, 11:07:59 PM »

Memories and Spirit cannot be separated. If you take the memories you take a part of their spirit which is forbidden as it can only be turned into SE by the person themselves. Cutting parts of a Spirit off someone is so far impossible. And one touch would not do such a thing.

Also, the time thing is godmodding. Dodging attacks is one thing. Landing an attack/touch against someones will is not adhering to the limits of time powers. Hell, even I couldn't do that with Asura.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #30 on:** January 19, 2012, 10:45:58 PM »

He's not actually taking the spirit though, just partially remolding his with that as a basis.

I wouldn't actually freeze time for a touch. I'd slow it, and that still leaves room for player defense.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #31 on:** January 20, 2012, 05:10:41 PM »

Which doesn't work. You can't copy someones spirit. It is WHO THEY ARE. Their life. Their consciousness. All of them. Your power said it took abilities and body. Body is nothing. Spirit is who a person is. Powers and memories that depend on the spirit are then off limits if all he takes is body and body abilities. So you're only approved if it's limited to form/body only. NOTHING Spirit.

As such, that would exclude the bloodline, inheritance, and spiritual powers as I designated the other post.

K2 · « **Reply #32 on:** January 20, 2012, 05:25:30 PM »

Quote from: Magister Hikaru on January 20, 2012, 05:10:41 PM

Which doesn't work. You can't copy someones spirit. It is WHO THEY ARE. Their life. Their consciousness. All of them. Your power said it took abilities and body. Body is nothing. Spirit is who a person is. Powers and memories that depend on the spirit are then off limits if all he takes is body and body abilities. So you're only approved if it's limited to form/body only. NOTHING Spirit.

As such, that would exclude the bloodline, inheritance, and spiritual powers as I designated the other post.

The Aralangs did it... Kinda. With C2323. They used K2323's spirit energy to activate the body.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #33 on:** January 20, 2012, 06:04:33 PM »

K2323 gave the Spirit Energy, there's a difference there. It may as well have been a type of ritual.

K2 · « **Reply #34 on:** January 20, 2012, 06:06:32 PM »

I know, I'm saying if he edits to do something like this it'd be okay.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #35 on:** January 20, 2012, 06:08:40 PM »

It wouldn't. Because then he'd want to do that ritual with 'one touch,' and say he can just because he's a Templar. And again. K2323 GAVE the Spirit Energy. I already said only the persons who's spirit it is can convert it from the Astral Plane into the Physical and into Spirit Energy. Nik wants Calto to do it with the person he does it to unwilling.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #36 on:** January 20, 2012, 06:09:51 PM »

I'm not going to make some fancy ritual for it, but memory needs to be there even if only because of backstory.

And it's Cadinae.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #37 on:** January 20, 2012, 06:13:06 PM »

Calto, Cadinae, all the same.

And no. The memories are of the Spirit. You cannot take them. If you can't do a ritual to try to copy them then again. Agree to the terms. No Bloodline, Interitance, or Spirtual powers. No skill that requires the memories of that persons common magic. (Like if they made up spells you wouldn't know them.) Only form/body/common magic.

K2 · « **Reply #38 on:** January 20, 2012, 06:18:33 PM »

[18:22] <~K2323> "Taking" parts of the spirit would not work but if you could somehow temporarily interface yourself with a spirit you could "copy" memories from that spirit without taking anything
[18:22] <Hikaru> He wants to do it through one touch
[18:23] <~K2323> obviously we will tell him it takes more than one touch
[18:23] <Hikaru> And memories, yes. But not Bloodline/Interhitance/Innate spirtual powers
[18:23] <~K2323> oh
[18:23] <~K2323> I agree
[18:23] <Hikaru> And not if their mind is sealed/shielded

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #39 on:** January 20, 2012, 06:45:26 PM »

I already gave up shielded minds, Hikaru. The post after I found out they existed in fact.

And also, give a raw bloodline definition, because what It actually is may be something that I think ritual to.

I'll be willing to make the memories be some kind of ritual, but it must be able to happen accidentally.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #40 on:** January 20, 2012, 06:47:21 PM »

Quote from: Magister Hikaru on January 18, 2012, 02:47:05 PM

Quote from: Sir Nik the I- Prince of Fishies (and Cows) on January 16, 2012, 02:06:37 PM
Actually, this character is taking their body. That's why it is the absorbing DNA. I never said I was taking their form. I specifically said body. That's why he stays in humanoid form.

Did I complain to staff when someone created a sun on my planet in a single post? No. That's godmodding because it doesn't allow time for the three day rule. You're the one who exploded on me when you just found out you didn't get your way six months ago. You are the one whose whining.

DNA DOES NOT MATTER. It is form, not body if it is through DNA. You are not jumping into their body, you are creating it anew from the DNA. While the actual DNA imprint of the blood may be there, the magic within that persons blood IS NOT. You could 'touch,' say K2s character K2323 or Kai, but that does not give you Genesis as it is an inherited or whatever his method is magic. You would get his DNA, yes. But you would not get his spirit/soul that inherited the power from the King.

You could touch Hikaru, Rev, or another with Revelation. You would get the body and DNA make up but you would not get the bloodline power of Revelation as it only came from a book and when that was consumed, Hikaru herself as well as her descendants through bloodline and spirit ritual. Again, not of the DNA and not of a magic you can just 'steal.'

You could touch a Phoenix who's magic abilities are innate in their blood. You would not get them even if you built their form from their DNA. Why? The blood loses the abilities once it leaves the vicinity of the spirit of that particular Phoenix.

My point is, certain powers you would not be able to obtain and that needs to be seen/agreed on for approval. At most you would get common magic and magic that does not depend on bloodline, spirit, or any other special means that needs to be fulfilled.

^What I meant by bloodline/spiritual/inheritance powers. You have no way o claiming them without the users approval and without them passing them.

Accident wouldn't work... Touch, ritual, doesn't matter. Whatever way you use to interface with the Spirit or mess with it in any way would be noticed by the person if they are a magic user.

K2 · « **Reply #41 on:** January 20, 2012, 06:51:39 PM »

The person interfacing would notice, the person who's being interfaced into would not necessarily if precautions were taken.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #42 on:** January 20, 2012, 06:59:34 PM »

Could it be a ritual born out of a chaotic fit of rage, sorrow, and stress?

Queen Bright · « **Reply #43 on:** January 20, 2012, 07:00:37 PM »

Unless you're doing something to distract them or hiding it as a different spell, then yes the person it's being done to would sure as hell notice. We're talking about the Spirit, K2. If someone starts interfacing into your consciousness. You're gonna notice.

And ritual for what? The memories?

Cause' there's no ritual you can do to get the powers.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #44 on:** January 20, 2012, 07:05:21 PM »

If you get the powers via ritual in the first place then there is a ritual...

And yes, I was talking about the memories. Calto had a Torment fit, and touched Cadinae. Cadinae lost all his memories, and though he was Calto.

And that doesn't really help. How does bloodline occur? If you are born with it you automatically have it? or do you have to activate it somehow or get it somewhere from your family?

Queen Bright · « **Reply #45 on:** January 20, 2012, 07:11:07 PM »

Different ones have different causes. K2 has to explain Genesis. I just know it's by inheritance. Revelation has to be casted by Hikaru or someone with Revelation magic themselves onto the person they're giving it to and has to fuse the magic into that persons Spirit and blood... Then they have to do the same. But it can't be stolen that way. For Phoenix's innate abilities it is from their blood that is Holy Fire created as a part of their Spirit... But once the blood leaves that Phoenx's body and is no longer in the vicinity of the Spirit it no longer holds those abilities. Nor does creating that blood from the DNA give them. Interfacing with the Spirit would not give one those abilities. The one that has the abilities must give them unto the one they want...

It can't be by accident. Do you even know what a ritual is? Go look it up.

K2 · « **Reply #46 on:** January 20, 2012, 07:26:19 PM »

http://shatteredplanes.com/forum/index.php?topic=4325.msg37006#msg37006

Queen Bright · « **Reply #47 on:** January 20, 2012, 07:27:49 PM »

That's a lot different K2 -.-

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #48 on:** January 20, 2012, 10:45:26 PM »

Couldn't Cadinae's memory power just be that?

Queen Bright · « **Reply #49 on:** January 20, 2012, 11:43:48 PM »

No.. His is tech and it isn't taking the memories it's creating an altered illusion to the person to make them think something else.