Author Topic: Calto the Tormented (Read 10196 times)

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #75 on:** February 02, 2012, 07:22:04 PM »

This is fiction?! I never would have guessed! I mean, time travel so rarely appears in fiction!

He was born long past, about the same time period as Jay. He was born when the Templars were a high and great society. He has never been to the future because Calto's world was his distant future. Without a third party, it is impossible to change the events transcribed in the earlier post. Even if OUR Cadinae were a completely different one from the future, everything in the request would have had to have come to pass. They came to pass for the one from the future, because he turned into Calto at one point. I've never asked for the exact Cadinae that died. Stop altering my claims. You do that in almost every argument we ever have. All I'm saying is that the past is set in stone, and that the past is set in stone. If Someone comes from the future, they are shaped by your past because it is a part of theirs. I'm not trying to jump to a completly different timeline. A different future, not a different past present and future.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #76 on:** February 02, 2012, 07:28:23 PM »

Everything in the request happened before the current present we are at IC, and it is so set in stone. I don't need to rerequest. Transitive property. One thing equals itself. Since the past is the same for every Cadinae we've seen so far, a rerequest for the current Cadinae could only be a repost of the exact same thing since everything requested took place in the past.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #77 on:** February 02, 2012, 07:48:44 PM »

The past is not the same though,. for a few of them it would be, like the direct parallel timelines to ours. But not for all of them.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #78 on:** February 02, 2012, 07:59:49 PM »

For all accessible ones the past would be the same. He can travel time. He cannot travel to any parallel universe, they must be connected. Saying that it's fiction does not change that. Stop copping out. I've just explained the laws of physics and why what you're saying is not valid, and argued no with the exact same argument as before, just trying to word it differently so people would think it was actually an argument:

Quote from: ~Hikaru on February 02, 2012, 06:22:05 PM

Except we have infinite timlines due to multiverse. It can't happen exactly. There yet again would be the slightest of changes. You'd need a direct parallel timeline to the one he's from for him to be exact. And even then it wouldn't be exact. I know how time works. I'm telling you it's more complicated then your little diagram there.

It's done. There could be ones out there with a diferent past, but as is there are infinite Cadinae's out there with the same backstory. I can't access the ones with a different past because they cannot travel to this present because it never happened to them. Any Cadinae I pull out of a hat must have this back story. It is otherwise impossible.

Capxeno · « **Reply #79 on:** February 02, 2012, 08:24:25 PM »

Quote from: Sir Nik the I- Prince of Fishies (and Cows) on February 02, 2012, 07:59:49 PM

For all accessible ones the past would be the same. He can travel time. He cannot travel to any parallel universe, they must be connected. Saying that it's fiction does not change that. Stop copping out. I've just explained the laws of physics and why what you're saying is not valid, and argued no with the exact same argument as before, just trying to word it differently so people would think it was actually an argument:

Quote from: ~Hikaru on February 02, 2012, 06:22:05 PM
Except we have infinite timlines due to multiverse. It can't happen exactly. There yet again would be the slightest of changes. You'd need a direct parallel timeline to the one he's from for him to be exact. And even then it wouldn't be exact. I know how time works. I'm telling you it's more complicated then your little diagram there.

It's done. There could be ones out there with a diferent past, but as is there are infinite Cadinae's out there with the same backstory. I can't access the ones with a different past because they cannot travel to this present because it never happened to them. Any Cadinae I pull out of a hat must have this back story. It is otherwise impossible.

I think you just answered your own argument. Using the SP universe logic, its impossible. Thus it is impossible for you to bring him back.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #80 on:** February 02, 2012, 09:10:17 PM »

No, just impossible for me to bring him back with an alternate past. Even Hikaru agrees that it's possible to bring him back, she just says it can't be exactly the same. That much is true, but whatever is different must be in territory for us uncharted.

King Jeebus · « **Reply #81 on:** February 03, 2012, 04:52:27 AM »

Holllld up. This guys a Templar correct? Guess what, we've had a Templar timeline hopping before. He has canonically done so in the past to avoid Anarchy's assaults AND to bring in a small cavalry. When you begin challenging what a Templar can and cant do you really must let me know.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #82 on:** February 03, 2012, 07:14:58 PM »

Okay, I will, but I thought you were out.

Quote from: Sir Nik the I- Prince of Fishies (and Cows) on February 02, 2012, 06:17:14 PM

Here is a basic diagram of parallelism in a timeline _________________________Future a
_______/_________________________Future b
_________________________________/_________________________________Future c
Past \ Present \_______________________________Future d
\ \____________________Future e
\________________________________________________Future f

So basically what you are saying is that any Cadinae can come to the present from any future a-f due to Temploral powers?

King Jeebus · « **Reply #83 on:** February 03, 2012, 08:28:26 PM »

If he chose to. Baring in mind a Templars main priority is their own Timeline, he'd have to have a DAMN good reason for suddenly deciding to reside in ours- ie you'd have to rerequest him pretty much with a different backstory because this timeline's Cadinae is sadly dead.
EDIT: What I should make clear is, if you wanna bring in an Alternate Timeline Cadinae given set precedent and SP's current definition of time(My own) it could technically happen, but he WOULD be different and WOULD need a reason to leave his time to come to the current timeline.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #84 on:** February 03, 2012, 08:57:55 PM »

Oh. So the Cadinae I would need to request is the dead Cadinae.

King Jeebus · « **Reply #85 on:** February 03, 2012, 08:59:32 PM »

No, this one right here- Of this topic? Dead.
Because he was a Templar it is possible for another iteration of him to appear but you'd need a new topic because he's a different person in a sense.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #86 on:** February 03, 2012, 09:20:51 PM »

But the one requested here is the one on Tefilin. The dead guy was the one I didn't request.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #87 on:** February 03, 2012, 09:22:28 PM »

So you used a character not requested? In that case... informal warning.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #88 on:** February 03, 2012, 09:44:14 PM »

Okay, informal warning, but for the record I didn't know it needed requesting.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #89 on:** February 03, 2012, 09:45:21 PM »

NPCs don't need requesting. But an NPC that you're fighting to that extent with? That should have been obvious.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #90 on:** February 03, 2012, 09:46:11 PM »

...Not NPC. It's still the same guy, just one that's lived longer.

K2 · « **Reply #91 on:** February 04, 2012, 11:42:41 AM »

What? I'm sorry, but she's right, any Character you use needs to be requested. You're lucky Hik only gave you an informal warning, mate. Look, here's your best bet. Make a new topic, rerequesting the character, give him a motive to come to this timeline from another one.

Edit: NPCs don't need to be requested, but they should typically be very minor and only used in one or two topics for a certain purpose which doesn't affect the storyline, and they should be weak.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #92 on:** February 04, 2012, 04:31:37 PM »

I get NPC's, but future Cadinae is still Cadinae. I thought, because he's technically the same person, and the backstory and everything in the request is indisputably him either way, I didn't think it would need a request. No distinction had been made until just now, and I brought him into the story in June or July.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #93 on:** February 04, 2012, 05:48:17 PM »

Quote from: @K2323 on February 04, 2012, 11:42:41 AM

Edit: NPCs don't need to be requested, but they should typically be very minor and only used in one or two topics for a certain purpose which doesn't affect the storyline, and they should be weak.

UNLESS you're NPCing it till the right time for it to become a character. At that point you need to ask staff and ask the peoples topics you post in if it's okay to interfere as an NPC. Like for Harboring the Planet I had to ask Cap if I could make his tree disappear otherwise the NPC would have been too powerful.

You used a Cadinae NPC from another timeline till you were ready to character him in this timeline, right? You should have asked first.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #94 on:** February 04, 2012, 05:57:22 PM »

I didn't know he counted as an NPC until now. And technically he is a part of this timeline aswell. Well, mostly. Of his entire life he is eight years off, and zero when I brought him into play.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #95 on:** February 07, 2012, 09:32:01 PM »

So what?

Approved +1Warn?

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #96 on:** February 10, 2012, 10:13:04 PM »

Admiral Regis Hermitage · « **Reply #97 on:** February 10, 2012, 10:15:08 PM »

Its approved by me as far as im concerned.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #98 on:** February 10, 2012, 10:31:04 PM »

He's dead! There's no point in approving.

Admiral Regis Hermitage · « **Reply #99 on:** February 10, 2012, 10:32:24 PM »

Alrighty then...