I hearby take your ship. That's what you get for using public Wi-Fi!

[Ragnar the Red]

Yopaerator Class ship & Iapaq Hackscan

When the Veliphlan were exploring and taking their system, the inhabitants of the moon Ipa weren't willing to go down without a fight. At first the Iapaq realised that their guns didn't work on Heliphlein because their guns caused a huge temperature imbalance. Iapaq are coldblooded, and Heliphlien are warmblooded. The Iapaq however were not about to go down without a fight. They quickly moved to they're greatest weapon, a weapon that any computer geek would love to death. They had a kind of devise that could scan a device, and if it had any computer like system, if it had anything that wasn't completely manual, the thing could get into and translate the base codes and such. Then, any clever enough hacker could simply hack the software.
The Heliphlien lost lots of people before they realized what was going on. The scanning couldn't be registered as scanning because by all laws of technology, it seemed to be only another heat laser. no one would be able to tell what it was unless they had known what it was before facing it, no matter how sophisticated the tech for this reason. All would see it as was a pathetic failed attack, not to mention if you were scanned once then you could potentially be compromised for life.
After three years of combat, the Heliphlien figured out that they couldn't use computer like systems against the Iapaq, and they sent people in without systems like that. The two groups made peace under the arrangement that the moon Ipa would become a Heliplein state yet run by Iapaq. In years since, the two cultures have become to mix some as well.
However this technology doesn't stop there. After a few years the Veliflan started learning about the hackscan technology, and after a while realised that it could be used had they ever needed to fight someone greater then themselves in computing technology. Hackscanning could wipe out an entire fleet through messing up launches, disabling defenses, deleting AI, or even just making a ship weakened through an entire reboot. They had once been on the reverse end of that, and knew how dangerous it could be. Because of this, the Heliphlein started making their own versions of the technology. One of the results was a new class of ship: the Yopaerator.

Yopaerator class ships are armed with a few large guns, a shield that protects the ship, and a shield that protects the ship from being seen. The shield keeping the ship from being seen does so simply by being very cold. It is as cold as space, and that keeps scans from seeing that there is actually something there. Heat and energy scans at least, but that's not what makes the ship so deadly. What makes them so formidable is the use of hackscaners. They cover the ship in many places that other cruisers would use for weaponry. This makes it almost impossible to avoid a heavy scanning if you are within the hundred mile range.
The ships are also equipped with piece of technology reminiscent of a Wi-Fi adapter. What it does is allow the signal to maintain connectivity, allowing the hacker to hack from his own computer. The thing is, it has five times the range of the actual scanners. This means there is no running from it. Once you're scanned by a Yopaerator class cruiser, you'll have to find some sort of non computer way of fighting back. Otherwise, well, that's up to the Heliphlien. You may get lucky.
The ships are also commonly filled with thousands of hackers, all striving towards hacking one, or multiple targets. All of them would be heavily trained, and would have lengthy experience hacking.

Well it does for tonight, I'll be finishing the rest later.

[Queen Bright]

Not every code system. As I put on K2s AI hacking request.

You can't make a virus that's all powerful and can get through anything, that would be godmodding. And if neither a public key or private key is available, brute forcing would take years even for advanced AIs. The AI wouldn't be able to manipulate the surface data without the key as the data would be encrypted and unknown to it... Even given time, an AI in unknown data wouldn't know it, if it was entirely different from what the AI has ever seen.

COTS and Real Data as an example. Dama as an example. Other ancient civilizations.. Other universes, other dimensions. You can't possibly know every type or programming out there. If we were talking earth terms and the fact most programming languages are the same, sure. But we're not. We're talking different racial languages, different dimensional languages, ancient, completely different. Unknown syntax, unknown letters, unknown everything. In this RP it would be impossible to know every data system. Let alone you could just make a new one..

Even if you scanned the system. If the system didn't want you in it, and if it was a very unknown encryption and you DIDN'T have a way of getting the public or private key. Then no, your hacking would not hack it.

Please actually research hacking, viruses, encryption, and cryptography before requesting such next time.

[Ragnar the Red]

If you fail to hack something, then your effort is meaningless. I'd be stuck with all this crap that was useless at that moment in time, and therefore godmodding is out of the question. It's a gamble. All or nothing. I may get all, or I may get nothing.

I also stated that the hackscan translated the codes. I'm not saying that it just does it willy nilly, it takes the system longer depending on how different it is. It could take days for it to crack to code, or even months.

Also, there is no virus, and the technology allows you to hack alien stuff. It doesn't do it for you.

[Queen Bright]

I also stated that the hackscan translated the codes. I'm not saying that it just does it willy nilly, it takes the system longer depending on how different it is. It could take days for it to crack to code, or even months.

SP encompasses existence. ALL OF EXISTENCE. This means dimensions, universes, galaxies. Milions upon millions of people. Myriads even!
Now, let's point out that each of these myriads of races each have their own language. NOT English or Earthien languages. But different symbols. Different letters, millions more letters. Different everything.

Now what is a programming language made up of? Words and syntax (symbols). Do you HONESTLY think that with myriads of languages we'd have the same programming languages as Earth. NO.

There would be myriads x myriads of syntax and words. Now on just plain old Earth English language it takes a bruteforce attack to go through the dictionary about a year on a slow computer a few months on a fast one. Depends on your word list. The whole english Dictionary?? We're talking a very very very very long time.

So to bruteforce myriads and myriads of dictionaries? Trying to break their code?
Even in the future, give it up kid. It'd take an eternity.

Without a public or private key or some type of hint. You are screwed.

THAT is why I deny this tech.

Yet again. RESEARCH your subject material. No hollywood hacking.

[Ragnar the Red]

Most of your basis for denying it makes an assumption that's not true: that the Heliphlein are Earthien. They're not. And as they came across more and more languages and symbols, the more they'd have in their database. You wouldn't just have a earthish code, you'd have all of them that you had ever scanned, and ships could share information. As the Heliphlein pressed out from their world, they could find more and more languages, and understand some because of similarities to others. Two people in different galaxies can have the same idea, so similarities could easily form between base codes.

You're also assuming they'd be scanning every thing ever at once. An earthien code wouldn't use every language known to man! Likely only one or two. suddenly it's gotten to be a faster translation. Oh wait, it follows all these patters that this other language follows. That helps us to understand it.

Also, Hollywood hacking could be better then in the box hacking. Wouldn't thinking outside the box make you a better hacker? Aren't these aliens? Why are we assuming they have conventional human tactics for hacking? This whole place is make believe.

[Queen Bright]

It's make believe but we still follow some basic laws. And no there wouldn't be similarities if another language had COMPLETELY different syntax. Do you know the first thing about hacking outside hollywood hacking? I didn't assume they were earthlings. I USED THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.

It's fact, any encryption you try to break could easily just be rewrote or changed. You're not getting the power to hack everything in existence.
Denied unless you provide real knowledge in how the hack would work.

[Nisorin]

I have to agree with Hikaru. I'm sorry, but hacking and computer software simply isn't that simple. For one thing, even if you could get access to the files themselves, decompilation of the code is trickier than just running a compiler in reverse. Then you would have to deal with foreign encryption techniques, which may or may not utilize math or logic-based cryptology, foreign file systems, operating systems, BIOS types, hardware, both spoken/written language and programming language, common programming concepts within each of those individual programming languages, the lack of legible or literate commenting, illlegible code formatting, and a slew of other things. One cannot simply shine a beam on a target and expect to gain control over it, regardless of how long the beam is shined.

Yes, there are a couple elements of Hollywood hacking that coincide with actual hacking, but it's almost entirely the low-skill, weak-result techniques that intelligent, skilled hackers tend to laugh at. If you are going to make a hacking device, do a little research first. Even if you get a copy of how an encryption type works, that doesn't mean you suddenly have access to every single thing that is encrypted using that method. Hell, the strongest encryption types are the ones that EVERYONE knows how it works, ANYONE can find out how it works easily, and anyone can use whenever they wish, however they wish. Why? Because those are the ones most tested. This technology is simply not even possible, and even if it was I would have to deny it on grounds of too few details on what the beam itself does. Shining a light on a ship doesn't hack into it, you'd need to intercept some sort of communications, use it to gain access to even the most basic of systems, and work your way up from there. We're talking a task that would take months, maybe years.

[King Jeebus]

Change all to most. Argument dealt with. Any computer system made in our dimension or in our dimension should be using our computing system ways. Bring a fish out of water and it can no longer swim etc.

[Ragnar the Red]

They still won't approve it on account of speed. And I'm sick of arguing for it. Any further arguments would be to clear my name, but there are simple concepts I've lay down that people still aren't getting. No point in having a ship where it's all or nothing is always the nothing.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

The thing they're saying, Nik, is that the software would be so fundamentally different from your empire that, while indeed Jeebus is right that in this dimension they'd be using the same logic in order to get their programming to work, the fact is that the software between different empires just isn't going to be that similar. I understand what your saying about seeing other symbols and such in your database, but not every empire is going to share their programming languages, for example, take the Mechera. They dont even let common citizens know it. Therefor, in order to get a sample of it, well, you'd need to hack into their systems, which you cant do because you dont yet know how their systems work. This is especially relevant towards hostile empires, since you wouldn't have ever gotten a sample of the code in the first place to understand it at all. And I will admit you are right that two people in other galaxies can have the same idea, but you cant say thats true about someone else's empire is the problem, even if you did get a sample of their code, since its not yours. I get what your saying, but the problem is that a lot of the time, it doesn't work that way.
As well, your also assuming that these ships have the hardware capabilities to receive your signals, which they very well may not use wi-fi, or anything similar. Even if they're capable of long-range communications, its unlikely that the other empire uses those such systems, so the hardware compatibility is also something which must be considered.
Anyway, Im just saying. I think its a pretty unique technology, and personally I'd like to see it approved and in action, but the fact is that it has to be able to work, you know?
Also a note about its speed, really, it could be quite fast, but either way the other RPer has the opportunity to fight back and stop the hack, so thats not really a problem.

[Ragnar the Red]

I get the feeling I would face a lot of:

 Heliphlein hack Narikian ship.

Narikian ship intercepts.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

Then dont just put Heliphlien hacks x ship, or else they have no way to really respond to it other than x ship locks them out of the system, or something. If you dont put detail into the attack, no detail can be put in the defense.

[Ragnar the Red]

I know, but still. With this tech anyone on Sp who knows about it will want to avoid it and a generic: Heliphlein shot the ship with a blast of odd temperature could due me in.

I also doubt saying that it could only hack that from this dimension would sleaze Hik and Nis.

[K2]

So the status on this tech is..? What?

[Queen Bright]

It's denied till he can further explain it.