Author Topic: OOC: Payback's a B*tch (Read 2101 times)

@Pokemon Master Red · « **on:** February 08, 2010, 09:24:05 PM »

...Not so fast, 'Legion'.
First off, you're blatantly disregarding the fact that there's my characters going for destroying the nukes. Saying that they landed without a hitch ain't gonna fly without waiting for the intercept team to make a move.
Second, I believe you said he was at one place when firing the death rays. Now, Im no expert, but the Earth is round, not flat, and the nukes are flying all across the planet. He'd need to have shot THROUGH the Earth just to HOPE to make it home-which, as you might guess, leaves gaping holes in the planet, which wouldn't go well for keeping it intact. Not to even MENTION what a shot he'd have to be to hit them all precisely.. I dont give a damn HOW many souls he's pumped with, he ain't omnipotent. Also, on that note, looking over the application, isn't Magic level awarded for age and time trained, not actual power? Thats the only reason my possessed are considered 3s; they have vast amounts of magical power, but aren't able to easily control it due to their lack of training. Even if he's pumped with all them souls, it doesn't make any sense that he'd have total control, especially since how soon its been since he was pumped full of them.
All in all, that last post was a giant asspull on Erebus' part, far as Im concerned.

Orph · « **Reply #1 on:** February 08, 2010, 09:26:18 PM »

The souls and spirits contain knowledge, he has the experience without earning it. Yes, when I said that I meant that the beams can bend and move, they aren't straight lines. I was to busy with other shit to read it over.

@Pokemon Master Red · « **Reply #2 on:** February 08, 2010, 09:31:59 PM »

That would make the shot even harder, considering he'd have to calculate the precise directions; its easier to get somewhere with a straight line, ain't it?

And thats openly admitting that the mockery of life is a Mary Sue, one of the most looked down upon forms of a character to potentially exist, and the fact that it exists is a giant GodMod.

Orph · « **Reply #3 on:** February 08, 2010, 09:38:31 PM »

Aye it is, except it's rather easy for Sages to blow things up when they can't see if it produces large amounts of energy. Which the missiles produce thermal energy.

He's an abomination, nor do I care if he is a Mary Sue, GE isn't for super thought out characters. It's a casual RP site.

@Pokemon Master Red · « **Reply #4 on:** February 08, 2010, 09:52:27 PM »

But the thermal energy would actually be the rockets exhuast, not the missile itself. Plus, you specified a very specific point of the rockets, which wouldn't have anywhere near that kinda heat. If he'd been going by heat alone-assuming, of course, that he can manage to keep focus on ONLY those and not his own, or anything other than a nuke for that matter, he'd still be getting juuuust behind the weapons, missing them entirely.

Alright, that means that Ray had no reason not to have a character of 16-18(whichever it was) that couldn't be that powerful. Who's to say that the people in his dimension aren't magically gifted to the extent of surpassing Sages themselves at the teens, or even how long their years are; one year for them could be thousands for them. Ya shot that one down.
And on the note of the character being a Mary Sue, its ALSO worse than a lot of Hawk's characters can be. Hawk, no offense dude, but you can have pretty outlandish characters. But your's, Erebus, is a mockery of RPing itself; why it was approved in the first place boggles me. And you kinda had whats-his-face with the skele-arm make him before you ever applied, meaning he wasn't approved.

Causual or not, dude, that was a mockery of the art of RPing, and having such characters...Why should anyone bother RPing with someone who controls characters able to level armies of super soldiers when that guy hasn't put any effort? Sorry, but Im not letting it slide.

Orph · « **Reply #5 on:** February 08, 2010, 09:59:14 PM »

Yes, but Hawkeye doesn't have my roguish charm.

And as I said, this is a casual site to RP, god modding and being an ass with the art of rping is somewhat allowed. The only thing that isn't really allowed is one hit kills and things your character would not be able to do. And as a level four user, I'm sure he could do that.

@Pokemon Master Red · « **Reply #6 on:** February 08, 2010, 10:08:37 PM »

The point is, Im calling you out on his very existance, not just what he did. Saying it was bad judgement on the part of the admins to approve him at all is a understatement.

And ya contradicted yourself; if things went as you planned, he'd have murdered entire continents, and casual or not, that was pathetic.

You said nothing against the fact that he was made before applied for, a direct violation of the rules.

And really, whats charm got to do with it?

It ain't what he did, its that he even IS.

Orph · « **Reply #7 on:** February 08, 2010, 10:10:13 PM »

Made as an NPC, which I could've left him as. Yet I chose to make him a PC and give him background and such.

One hit kills for PCs, nameless thousands do not matter.

@Pokemon Master Red · « **Reply #8 on:** February 08, 2010, 10:21:00 PM »

Background!? WHAT BACKGROUND!? Thats not even a paragraph, and explains nothing about him.
And that must be some NPC, filled with thousands of souls.

Not to mention, as I stated above, casual or not, that is not something worthy to be allowed in any self respecting RP. And again, you said he tracked them using their heat, which would mean he'd have missed, as again, what I stated in my first post, he's NOT omnipotent.

Also, nameless thousands dont, maybe, but the countries themselves DO matter. Being able to wipe out mass amounts of countries with the flick of a wrist is the very reason there are rules in a RP designed to STOP it. The character itself wasn't even thought out, and is exceedingly invalid.

Gaserlake · « **Reply #9 on:** February 08, 2010, 10:23:55 PM »

Btw, I did the countdown. When I said 1/3, that was how many posts there are left, until it reaches 3/3. So, if it is 1/3, you have two posts.

@Pokemon Master Red · « **Reply #10 on:** February 08, 2010, 10:29:54 PM »

That doesn't give people a chance to react, though...They'd have to be on it in an instant, and it doesn't accurately represent the flow of time since all the characters are going to be doing everything at once. It would make more sense if that a guage of your posts, not posts overall, as it givees people a proper chance to react and actually do something, especially if there's someone trying to prevent them from actually doing that very thing to prevent the countdown.

Orph · « **Reply #11 on:** February 08, 2010, 10:40:27 PM »

The rules were made to stop PC from killing PC with a flick of the wrist. NPCs are worth less then shit here, and as I said casual RP place therefore a shit load of background isn't needed. And I never said he tracked them with it's heat. I just mentioned Sages are capable of that. They are also capable of remote viewing and a hell of a lot of other ways to know what is going on.

@Pokemon Master Red · « **Reply #12 on:** February 08, 2010, 10:55:14 PM »

But the countries themselves hold a degree of relevence. And you getting the character for so little implies there's nothing to stop you from making an army of them, which would mean that you'd be able to conquer the universe without a problem in a matter of weeks, and it'd only take that long because of the fact that we're only able to request two at a time.
Not to mention that it says that to even contest with you, we'd need to make characters even more godmodish than him. After all, he can fry nukes blindfolded, and even make sure his allies are Ok-what chance has some guy thats possessed by his sword? Quite frankly, I'd rather not have to request the Dues Ex Machina-a satellite array designed to obliterate galaxies-over here for the only reason of having to put up with your characters and make sure I have a chance. If you want characters that powerful, PUT A LITTLE BIT OF MOTHEREFFIN EFFORT INTO THEM. I mean, you all massacre HAWK for this everytime he requests something, and he's actually putting one HELLUVA lot more effort into them than you. If you dont care enough to put the work into the character, then you OBVIOUSLY dont deserve it when others work harder than you to make theirs and cant have them for not being 'good enough' for whatever reason.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #13 on:** February 09, 2010, 01:29:11 AM »

If I may say something?
First, I don't fully agree with Orph that it's casual. Else we wouldn't put so much into characterization and story as we do...Take that back.

As for you Hiro, you say he doesn't put much into it and Hawk does? There is a difference. Orph puts development into his character later on, and brings it out through RPing, like most of the pro's do. That way everything is a surprise, with little info in the actual template. This is what the advance RPers do.
Hawk puts everything in the template and then plays the character wrong. He'll make a character one way, and then change the personality completely to where it doesn't make sense, just so he can fight with it.

@Pokemon Master Red · « **Reply #14 on:** February 09, 2010, 07:44:37 AM »

Im not concerning his other characters; I hardly know them at all. The only one I really have a problem with is that Legion one. Even if Hawk does as you say, it still has more work put into it than that thing, though he may not follow it, its still more work put into it and considering its little more than a undead abomination with magic, it doesn't leave much potential for any personality. Besides, even if he does somehow develope that thing, the fact that he got such a powerful character with so little work implies that he could just keep on doing so again and again; what would be the point of going against him unless we were to make our own characters equally as powerful, or be really clever with ours, and sometimes we just cant think anything up.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #15 on:** February 09, 2010, 12:27:26 PM »

But being clever and strategic is the idea. That's basically what GE is, a fantasy scifi themed RP-RTS/TBS (Not sure,) Game.
If you can't be clever, why RP here?

Gaserlake · « **Reply #16 on:** February 09, 2010, 01:42:03 PM »

Hiro has a point. Otherwise, Rogue would be able to request powerful characters lazily. Powerful characters should be created well. Next is making NPCs into PCs. If that's allowed, then every single NPC in the game has the potential to be as powerful as a PC, which would be a hell of an army.

He is being clever, otherwise he wouldn't be contesting the existence of Legion in the first place. But here's the problem: things would become powerful enough to the point where you don't need to be clever, and a fool could be powerful.

It's a RP-TBS game. RTS would be where you don't need to wait for the person to react.

And for the 1/3 thing, I did give you guys a chance to react, but fine, I'll make it the gauge of my posts.

Nisorin · « **Reply #17 on:** February 09, 2010, 03:15:06 PM »

Just because there's not all that much information in the template does not mean there has not been work put into the character. The template is not everything, and I'm amazed that you guys think it is.

Legion is an entity made of of thousands of souls. That's thousands of personalities that will be waging an internal war against each other for control.

If done right, a level 2 can beat a level 5. Strength is never the end-all solution, even when it comes to god characters like Koty. On this board, creativity IC is valued more than creativity OOC, and so the actual playing of a character is far more important than the creation.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #18 on:** February 09, 2010, 03:31:36 PM »

Seconding what Nisorin said, which is a better version of what I was originally trying to say.

So NPCs can't become powerful characters? @Gaser, Orph didn't take a random NPC, he had his character turn the NPC into what it was, then gave it identity. His character makes complete sense. That's like telling a person they can't make minions with a necromancer, or give the minions identity. Legion is perfectly acceptable.

Orph · « **Reply #19 on:** February 09, 2010, 06:57:43 PM »

I like not needing to actually defend myself.

Fucking lazy Orph is fucking lazy.

@Pokemon Master Red · « **Reply #20 on:** February 09, 2010, 07:24:17 PM »

I know its not everything. But hardly putting anything in the application is horrible, especially for such a powerful character. And Orph's never shown that character to be in any internal struggle, nor Skelearm(yes, yes I WILL refer to him as Skelearm), who assimilates all the personalities into one. He would've merely taken them, and put it into that, not to mention the fact that as a undead(or at the least, VERY similar to one), it seems unlikely that it would have any personality whatsoever. And what Im saying is, whats to stop him, or ANYONE from making an army of that kind of character, hmm? Which would, as you know, make it exceedingly frustrating for anyone to play against.
I know creativity is a big part, but sometimes thats not enough; having a character capable of vastly different magics(thus allowing more creative ways of using them) is useless against three or four more powerful characters.

Orph · « **Reply #21 on:** February 09, 2010, 07:28:44 PM »

You do realize I've had Legion for a total of like a day?

And the reason why Abel has a large amount control over himself is due to him absorbing his counter parts souls as well, this brings stability to himself. He only changes personalities when he is exhausted. And Legion isn't dead, his body is alive but he has a large amount of souls in him and has been sworn to Abel and Emily.

Gaserlake · « **Reply #22 on:** February 10, 2010, 04:08:27 PM »

Regarding Nisorin's post: It doesn't matter. The character is original. There needs to be some originality in the character itself, not the things that happen IC. It would offer manipulation IC, as well as OOC. A person could just add something in the middle of a battle, that would save said character's life. The reason why said thing could happen is because there is a gap, a lack of information.

If what you say is true, then there's no reason why rip-offs are frowned upon. They have no creativity OOC, but that doesn't matter. It's the creativity IC that matters. Well, you can have creativity with rip-offs, too.

Hik: It is a random NPC, as said NPC was never mentioned IC until it became a PC. Also, if NPC's can be as powerful as PC's, then there is really no point in having PC's, except for adding info OOC, as well as OOC importance. Importance IC, sure, but NPC's can have great importance IC, too. They would even have some OOC importance, as well. The only difference is that PC's have more importance, so far, but I don't see why NPC's can't have as much importance. Also, there would be freaking NPC's with lvl 6 out of nowhere, when there's an event. A lvl 2 can defeat a lvl 5, but hey, an average empire would have millions of NPC's, mostly as population on a planet the empire owns. A lvl 2 can defeat a lvl 5, but not thousands of lvl 5's.

I never said that you can't make minions, nor did I say you can't give them identity. NPC's can have identity. I would allow it if you make a minion, then let the minion have some experience, interaction IC is enough, as well as some identity, a name is enough, as well as having a good bio, then yes, I would allow said minion to be a PC.