Author Topic: Kaltjn Minerals (Read 4270 times)

K2 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 20, 2012, 05:08:56 PM »

Fair enough.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #26 on:** January 20, 2012, 10:52:02 PM »

Did too! And either way, adding stuff to something that's not approved yet is completely legitimate. It's not a reason to withhold approval, unless it's overpowered, and we've been over that this isn't.

Quote from: Sir Nik the I- Prince of Fishies (and Cows) on November 24, 2011, 03:05:15 PM

, or hear it, or feel it, or smell it, or taste it. They also hide magical signatures. The AM-like power in the crystal will make any magic near the crystal unable to be sensed not because it is hindering the ordinary sense to see a magical presence, but by making the the magic itself unsensible.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #27 on:** January 20, 2012, 11:42:35 PM »

AM would not make signatures be unable to be sensed. Therefore neither can the crystal.

K2 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 21, 2012, 10:35:39 AM »

She's right, only magic can be used to cloak magic signatures, and even then the best of magic users can still sense the magic.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #29 on:** January 21, 2012, 12:49:48 PM »

Then what's wrong with me explaining it as that it's another affect? That it magically hides signatures as well?

Queen Bright · « **Reply #30 on:** January 21, 2012, 02:51:47 PM »

That makes no sense. WHY would it have AM properties but clocak signatures as well? Cloaking signatures doesn't help AM in any way. And AM doesn't help cloaking signatures in any way. The effects need to make sense and work with one another. Not just putting every effect in the book on one piece of tech or material just so you can solve all your problems... I'm sorry, minerals don't work like that. You can't just take a magic rock and say it does "this, this, this, this, this, and this! THERE I'M SAFE NOW." You can give it one set of effects that work one way, or a different way. But not contradicting ones.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #31 on:** January 21, 2012, 04:48:19 PM »

Not every property of AM cancels every property of magic. Maybe with literal AM and literal magic, but this is neither.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #32 on:** January 21, 2012, 04:49:26 PM »

Umm what? That was irrelevant to what I just said.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #33 on:** January 21, 2012, 04:56:31 PM »

Read your post, then read mine. It's a direct response.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #34 on:** January 21, 2012, 05:01:15 PM »

No it isn't. I was saying for your AM crystal to act like AM and THEN cloak magic signatures is giving it too many affects a mineral would NOT naturally have as the two affects contradict one another. AM will not act like magic and magic will not act like AM if they're two completely opposite concepts. They do not have the same qualities and even being natural would not work together.

You making this crystal is giving too many effects it would not naturally have. Maybe a crystal that does AM and a crystal that does Magic, sure. But then being in the same vicinity of one another they would cancel each other out. What you are trying to do is have the crystals AM properties go completely against its nature and use magic properties going completely against magics nature.

Things do not work like that. It would be a contradiction.

Your post is saying that not every AM property cancels out magic properties. Which is not an answer as they would STILL contradict.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #35 on:** January 22, 2012, 03:52:31 PM »

If you had a shield designed to only have AM against fire magic you could still heal in it or use ice magic. You've accused me time and time again of lacking creativity, and now you're being to narrow minded to even see what I'm saying. Hiding magical signatures and hiding from magical senses are not in fact opposites. Therefore if they were only attuned to do those specific things, they would not cancel each other out.

Also, this is not AM. It does something similar, but is not actually AM.

Queen Bright · « **Reply #36 on:** January 23, 2012, 12:25:17 AM »

...You're trying to say it prevents magic in the request and magic senses. Then you're trying to stop/cloak magic signatures that are not magic senses at the same time. AGAIN too many effects that would not naturally happen on one mineral. Separate minerals, yes. Multiple contradicting effects on one mineral? No. You're making it overpowered with nothing but effects that suit your need but would not naturally be created as they go against their own nature.

K2 · « **Reply #37 on:** January 24, 2012, 12:47:46 PM »

I'm willing to approve it if it has some weaknesses.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #38 on:** January 29, 2012, 05:31:21 PM »

Like being itself? Without hiding a magical signature as well it is pretty much uselessly weak. What this does is combats magic, which seems to be the only powerful thing in the forum. It's a light check (checks and balances) as is, rather than letting magical power do everything, and I mean everything powerful on the forum.

K2 · « **Reply #39 on:** January 29, 2012, 05:41:05 PM »

You do realize that magic signature does not equate to magic input/output, right?

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #40 on:** January 29, 2012, 08:15:03 PM »

...So what you're saying is that if you can sense magic, you can sense it no matter how much there is? What?

K2 · « **Reply #41 on:** January 29, 2012, 08:19:10 PM »

Quote from: Sir Nik the I- Prince of Fishies (and Cows) on January 29, 2012, 08:15:03 PM

...So what you're saying is that if you can sense magic, you can sense it no matter how much there is? What?

Well, this is true as well, but that's not what I'm saying exactly. EVERYONE, even those with no magic, have a magic signature. That's because EVERYONE, except for non-organic beings (Mechera, though I think Hiro developed a way for them to use magic too), are capable of magic. The stronger the magic user, the more distinct his signature. But one can adjust their signature, "cloak" it if you will, to make their level of power seem lower than it really is.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #42 on:** January 29, 2012, 08:23:25 PM »

Okay, how does this relate?

K2 · « **Reply #43 on:** January 29, 2012, 08:31:04 PM »

I'm saying, just because it can hide a magic signature doesn't necessarily mean it blocks magic.

Ragnar the Red · « **Reply #44 on:** February 01, 2012, 01:07:00 PM »

I don't see what's wrong with it doing both. A powerful mage can use both creation and destruction magic. The two of those are more definitive opposites than in this case. If you took the raw forms of magic and anti magic, then yes, what you say would be the case, but this is a totally new element. (And from what I understand would have been usable had I never requested it because it's magic)