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Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« on: December 19, 2011, 04:54:03 PM »
There is an ongoing dispute between two or more parties in the argument of the course of events as depicted in The Real Mission. While ordinarily the already made calls on the issue would be declared final and the decided staff action would be played into effect, the events of this topic will determine the course of the event to come and, as a result, the plot as a whole. As such, I have made this topic to serve as an unbiased process in which a final, absolute call over the topic will be made.

First, let me say that this topic will refer to two topics, one being "The Real Mission" in False Heaven and the other being the corresponding OOC argument topic which preceded this topic. These topics are not to be altered in any way while we decide on the proper action to take.

I will proceed, as both a staff member and an unbiased party, to present all the facts of the dispute. I shall, in this post, refrain from judging. I will then ask the parties involved, and only those individuals, to comment calm and rationally, if they so wish. Following this, I shall ask the following active staff members to vote. Staff members involved in the dispute will not be asked to vote. The following staff members are eligible to vote on this matter:

Jeebus
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K2323

Once all three of us have made our decision, a decision will be made. This decision will be considered absolute. I appreciate the cooperation of all members and staff in this matter. Do understand that it is within the best interest of all parties to resolve this issue.

Let us begin.

On August 20th of this year, a topic entitled "The Real Mission" was created by myself. Below is a quote of the post.

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Moments after the shutdown of Club B7R, Red Zero waited outside the administration office to meet with Halsey, who was currently interrogating a prisoner.

Throughout the course of the first page, Anrufe operative Red Zero and Halsey meet. This meeting evidently serves two primary purposes. It regards four rings of some sort being missing and it regards the release of war criminal Victor Price, under custody of False Heaven, into Anrufe custody. Red Zero soon leaves after beckoning her case to Halsey.

A few moments later, Alexandre, a captive of the negi known as Kurai, enters the room, having led Kurai to Halsey. The negi induces Alexandre into sleep and confronts Halsey about his father, Mark Tepper. Kurai des this as a start to a conversation in which Kurai tries to find out what Halsey knows about the current whereabouts of Kurai's doppelg?nger, Hikaru, close friend of Halsey's father. Kurai falsely informs Halsey throughout this conversation that she is Hikaru's sister and seeks Hikaru's location for her own benefit.

Kurai's questioning results in little gain as Halsey is unaware of anything regarding the whereabouts of Hikaru.  Kurai eventually convinces Halsey that it is in the best interests of the P3C treaty and achieving intergalactic peace if Halsey assists Kurai in finding Hikaru. Halsey agrees...

This brings us to November 13th, at which point Cap assumes control of the character Kurai.

About this time, Eve privately informs Halsey that Kurai is giving off strange vibes. Because of both this and the strange occurrence in which Alexandre brought Kurai to Halsey, the administrator asks Eve to do a scan of Kurai's brain. Through demonstration of security footage of Kurai's actions just before confronting Halsey, it is determined that Kurai is a threat.

Kurai is pinned down by a epoch circle -- it is then determined on reply 52 as made by CapXeno that the Kurai present is a familiar, a hologram of sorts. The real Kurai was never present. This is where the disputes began. Some parties claimed that this fact should have been made clear early in the course of events. It is also determined that Eve's sudden appearance was meta gaming. As a compromise, it is decided by all (or at least a majority) of parties in the OOC topic that events should continue as if all points are valid, in that Eve still appears as depicted in the topic, and Kurai was not really at the station.

Also pointed out is the fact that between Replies 45 to 51, CapXeno is not given time to respond. However; it is argued that Kurai was frozen, and that such replies would not result in significant action.

Three days after the decision made on the issue by Jeebus, Lyoko had still not responded, and Cap called the three day rule. Lyoko claimed that he was waiting for Nisorin to share an opinion, though Nisorin had already commented on the matter, and Nisorin's opinion would not overrule the staff decision regardless.

Lyoko would have lost here by default, though he does bring up a point about the validity of how Kurai could summon something under an epoch circle. In OOC reply 40, it is revealed from an expert on the epoch circle (the creator) that time itself is NOT frozen under an epoch circle, and some functions can operate inside a circle.

It is determined at the end of the OOC topic that there are negative consequences for both sides. it is also determined that Cap can call the three day rule on Lyoko. As such, it should be assumed that the three day rule is in effect and Cap's post goes through...

This is the current dispute. Jeebus claims that negative consequences should not just be enforced on Lyoko (by Kurai having evaded capture) but also on Hikaru and Cap (the summons fail to exist in the epoch circle) as punishment for inaction on both parties.. The three of us voters must now determine if negative action should be enforced on Hikaru and Cap as well.

Should we skip to the next day or is there an ongoing attack on FH?

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Re: Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2011, 04:54:28 PM »
I would now ask that Hikaru and Cap share their argument.
« Last Edit: December 19, 2011, 04:54:51 PM by K2323 »

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Re: Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2011, 06:08:07 PM »
Cap's donating plasma right now, after that we have a few places to go, (ghosthunting) but after that we'll devote the rest if the day to SP. Sorry, other than mobile, we've been busy the last week to really pay more attention to the debate.

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Re: Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2011, 07:49:54 PM »
The party has acknowledged that they will need time to prepare their statements to the electorate. As such, I would ask now that if Lyoko222 or Nisorin would like to say anything, they may.

Let it be noted that regardless of the results of this hearing, the three day rule has been called and is in effect on Post 52, meaning that you are not arguing that Kurai is still present, as that issue has been resolved. You may however argue, if you wish, that there is not an undergoing attack on FH.

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Re: Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2011, 01:16:10 AM »
I brought Eve into the thread so that I could begin a personal character arc, having her ask Halsey to meet with Jade when he had the chance. Which he did, though I didn't expect his method. After that, I just had her react to Kurai how I felt she would have. After all, who wouldn't be a bit weirded out by some dark, not-very-nice looking lady wearing little more than three feathers?
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Re: Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2011, 12:03:09 PM »
The appearance of Eve was determined valid, do not worry.

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Re: Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2011, 11:54:45 PM »
Alright, just putting in my two cents on what I have the knowledge to. Don't know much about Cap's little summon bit, and Zai's already put in his bit regarding the effects of the Circles.
Seeing the world through a child's eyes is truly a unique experience. It helps you to retrieve that sense of awe, magic and wonder that you lost as you lost your innocence. Tell me, when was the last time that you thought of those childhood dreams? You know, the ones that you used to spend all your time wondering and fantasizing about? Have you forgotten them so easily? Have you forgotten what it felt like to see something for the first time, to see the magic in the mundane? Everyone says you should take the time to 'Stop and smell the roses'. But you should also take the time to look for the fairies, embrace the wind and enjoy the rain. Just once today, stop for a moment and look into that little piece of nature you pass everyday. Perhaps you may see something you did not notice before.

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Re: Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2011, 12:38:09 AM »
The appearance of Eve was valid, sure. But to auto-think Kurai is evil just because Kurai and Alexandere decided to do some BDSM? I call BS on that, seriously. FH has a nightclub, you cannot possibly say that Eve has not seen that kind of play before. There was nothing to suggest she was "Evil, I don't like her Halsey!" That was just total metagaming right there. And Nisorin knows it.

Also, again, there's the fact Kurai did not register. She was never asked to register. Eve would not have known her name whatsoever. And that I DO want fixed. She has no way whatsoever to have known Kurai's name. EDIT IT.

Anyways, to the debate now...

First of all, Cap says it was not a hologram, it was a summon. I SAID HOLOGRAM, because I was giving example as to why it was valid that Hikaru has done holograms in the past without showing signs ahead of time or even referring to it in narration and therefore the summon was legal. I was not calling this action a hologram, just that it was using the same means of not being the actual person.

NOW, there should be an attack. Why?

Lyoko disputed whether the summon was valid and whether it's attack was valid.I said it was valid. Jeebus said it was valid. Lyoko did not accept it and still wanted YET ANOTHER opinion. K2 said it was valid, and even RED said it was valid. He still did not accept it and did not post with the excuse of 'waiting for Nisorin.' Whether Nisorin agreed or not however, would not have mattered as it was a unanimous staff decision that LYOKO REQUESTED, that the attack and summon went through.

Then he tried to contest that he did not freeze time but only appeared to AFTER THE FACT of contesting that he could freeze time, an obvious change of his mind in attempt to still win. He STILL refused to post. Cap called 3 day rule.

Instead of letting Cap call regular 3 day rule. Lyoko stalled and Jeebus said if Lyoko stalled further it would end negatively for both of them. Which I don't think is fair as Cap was in full right to call 3 day rule without consequences. It was Lyoko that was continuing to stall and refuse to post. Either way, Cap still agreed to it. To end negatively that debate at the moment about whether Kurai went away, NOT that the summon went through and the attack.

The attack should go through regardless. It should not be contested as even ZAI the creator of FH and the one that knew the most rules and the one Lyoko even said he was waiting on said it would. But now Jeebus and Lyoko want to say it ended negatively by there being no attack?

Um ... wtf? Negatively should not mean ignore the whole post if the summon went through and ignore a perfectly legal attack. That Cap should not have even had to compromise on given the win of the first dispute. This whole thing is just a huge stalling move by Lyoko. And K2, you even know that.

The attack should go through and it should go into battle. WHO CARES if the night is ongoing and the event 'isn't on time.' Since when do events auto-go through? This is a ROLEPLAY, events need to be roleplayed out to happen. If they get stopped? Oh well. That's how the story goes. That's how events happened. Events don't get special status to be completed exactly how planned just because they have the name of "event."

I'm sorry, but SP has no DM, no GM, no maker of all things roleplay. It is a collaborative story and as such, whatever happens, happens. NO PREDESTINATION ENDINGS.

That's my say on the matter.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2011, 12:44:46 AM by Magister Hikaru »

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Re: Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2011, 04:15:52 PM »
Thank you. If either Cap or Lyoko222 have something to add, I will give them 24 hours before I call voting to session.

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Re: Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2011, 08:30:49 PM »
Cap had over 7 days to post his response to the 3 day. I think i had every right to call in a 3 day in turn, effectively nulling his actions.
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Re: Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2011, 10:05:30 PM »
But you did not call one. And of course he was not going to post. There still wasn't anything settled by what Jeebus said.

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Re: Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2011, 10:41:49 PM »
Well then, where to start. First off, I never had a point where I was able to post after the dispute began. It was Lyoko's time to post or even nisoren, but rather than post a IC response it turned into an OOC dispute. Personally, I am not going to post twice in a row on an attack unless I have more than one admin tell me my 3-day was valid. Lyoko instantly contested my 3-day rule and until now, I was never give a yay or nay on that. Now that it is confirmed as valid, I would post but not until then.

Additionally, this is indeed an attack you have two powerful ancient summons, one attacking and the other will attack if time resumes as normal. The main reason I'd prefer if Lyoko or Nisoren just post, is that there is no way for the other charater's on FH to protect themselves if it went through, everyone is being attacked on the station... not just the station itself and if time is frozen... well nothing they an do about that.


I see it like this, you have a staff member who is not actually roleplaying a response, instead disputing this needlessly, when all I wanted was a post from either parties. My post was the last valid roleplay post, I would think that would put the burden of posting on the other roleplayer's involved.


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Re: Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2011, 01:51:01 AM »
But you did not call one. And of course he was not going to post. There still wasn't anything settled by what Jeebus said.

Alright fine... I formally call the 3 day rule on his 3 day...
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Re: Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2011, 01:55:06 AM »
But you did not call one. And of course he was not going to post. There still wasn't anything settled by what Jeebus said.

Alright fine... I formally call the 3 day rule on his 3 day...

HELL NO! NOW YOU CALL IT? NOW?! Um, wtf. You don't call it when we point it out. You call it when you notice it. He would post, he's just waiting for this debate to be the fuck over with now. You lost your chance to call it -.- Quit fucking stalling just to find a way to put things into your favor!

Why is Lyoko staff? Seriously... I know he was covering for Gaser, but this is just fucking ridiculous.


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2) If you are in the middle of a fight, or trying to take over a planet (see the topic "How To Takeover A Planet"), or anything similarly related, and your opponent does not reply to your post or topic within three days, you may, if you wish, declare the "Three Day Rule" which declares that you win the battle/takeover. The purpose of this rule is to prevent abuse from those who would rather not post in a battle.

Additionally, there is nothing for Lyoko to call three day rule on. Cap posted the last post that was actual ROLEPLAYING and when he called the three day rule, was told to wait until the dispute was settled. He was never given the go ahead on his 3-day rule until the thread by K2. As I have put in bold, by the spirit of the rules, Lyoko was trying to abuse the system merely because he did not want to post.
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Re: Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2011, 05:25:07 PM »
Lyoko, what is it that you intend to call the three day rule on?

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Re: Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2011, 06:10:03 PM »
Lyoko, what is it that you intend to call the three day rule on?

Cap called 3 day on me correct? He has to post his response to the 3 day (Basically posting that his actions went through as planned). He has failed to do so in the 7-8 days allotted to him.
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Re: Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2011, 06:50:21 PM »
Um, he, couldn't. Both you and Jeebus said he could not call 3 day rule. Just that if YOU didn't post, that it would go negative. Which is in ittsel totally unfair. You're trying to call 3 day rule on a situation that you and Jeebus both refused to allow pass.

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Re: Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2011, 07:16:46 PM »
I would feel more comfortable if Capxeno were to argue the case, not Hikaru. Hikaru, as you gave up the character of Kurai you no longer have the right to argue her specific case. You are more than welcome to take Capxeno's side however the owner of the character should be fighting for this case, not yourself.

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Re: Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2011, 07:38:26 PM »
1. Capxeno is right next to me.
2. We're mobile and its easier for one of us to poast at a time unless you want him to post through my account.
3. I'm arguing as a staff member that knows the damn rp better. If it was cap stalling, I'd be helping Lyoko, and vice versa. Lyoko is stalling and metagaming of course I'm gonna fucking argue the matter.

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Re: Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2011, 10:41:24 PM »
Alright, I will now call voting to session. I would now ask that only Hiro and Jeebus reply after my post.

It is my honest opinion that Capxeno has done no wrong here. He honestly had no reason to post. And yeah considering we have been arguing this case for awhile now I understand why he has yet to post the result of his three day rule, considering its been in contest.

As such I vote in favor of the attack on FH resuming.

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Re: Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2011, 01:31:57 PM »
I vote yes on 24- I mean
Yeah sure why not

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Re: Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2011, 03:33:28 PM »
Sorry L_Rage, but Im afraid I must concur. Continue the attack upon False Heaven.
Do you have what it takes to change your destiny, to defy FATE itself?
Let us test the limits of your abilities, and see if you have the WILL to do what no one else tries.

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Re: Grand Hearing on The Real Mission.
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2011, 09:56:34 PM »
It has been decide by a majority vote of Unbiassed staff members, with both sides given fair chance at defending their actions, and all evidence presented, that the attack on FH is valid. Decision is found absolute; CapXeno, you will be asked to post in the topic as soon as possible.

Case dismissed.