When Portals Collide

[K2]

me: So um. I really wasn't planning to conquer any planets with this attack, it was meant to explain part of what submerged the universe into war
9:26 PM
hiro1252: Ja
 
me: But I think I'm about to destroy Memorial and Citadel at the same time.
 
well
9:27 PM
Destroy two planets at once, one Memorial but...
 
I dunno which other one.
 
hiro1252: Umm...
 
Mirror Shields are portals.
 
Not physical things
9:28 PM
I dont think a singularity actually can affect them, not as such
 
me: if a black hole were to form outside a planet which is protected by a mirror shield it stands to reason the mirror shield would be absorbed along with the planet, right?
9:29 PM
hiro1252: Eh...Actually, if the gravitation pull cant get TO the planet, then it wouldn't affect it. Thats what Im saying...Since its a Portal, the gravity is essentially pulling on itself
 
Its not actually getting to the planet
9:30 PM
Essentially, the Black Hole's gravitational field is currently affecting that same black hole.
9:32 PM
If that all makes sense?
 
me: yeah but um
9:33 PM
if that's the case then Memorial should be falling terribly off course from its sun right now
 
Out of orbit
 
hiro1252: I can see what your saying, hold on a moment
9:34 PM
I haven't really had to take gravity into consideration before
 
XD
 
Of course, either way there's nothing to stop you from just saying the black hole eats Memorial's sun, but meh
 
me: I figured while yes most matter and energy ends up touching itself, it'd be the same as with a shield... things like gravity still get through
9:35 PM
also explains how you still have communication with the outside
 
hiro1252: Nah, the ship casting it can even run into its shield. Nothing in or out as long as its up, usually.
 
me: and how civilians are still being evacuated
 
hiro1252: Communications are also zilch, elsewise its via portals or teleportation that doesn't need to go through a straight line
 
Like
9:36 PM
You need to get people from point A to point B
 
me: also there would be no sunlight on the planet, you'd be in total darkness
9:37 PM
hiro1252: You could go in a straight line, or you could go directly to there via a portal, for instance. And very true, though Mechera are capable of surviving in such conditions.
 
I would assume that the majority of evacuations would be finished before the Mirror Shield is completely set up. Or something
 
However, Im mostly just saying about the Mirror Shield itself warping
9:38 PM
me: Also wouldn't the mirror shield eventually overload from having a singularity's gravity pressing against itself?
 
hiro1252: Eh, maybe. Although I dont actually think a singularity would do much except pull against itself; I should think its relatively stable as long as its constantly against itself
9:39 PM
Its like a magnet, or something, just that its attracting itself
 
me: on a related note (I'll explain how they're related in a minute) didn't we decide that if a portal that is bigger than the size of the mirror shield were to collide with the mirror shield that the bigger portal wins?
9:40 PM
hiro1252: Unsure.
 
Do you have the logs?
 
me: I'm searching
 
hiro1252: It'd actually depend mostly on what happens when two portals come into contact with one another
 
me: because the singularity isnt actually gonna be a black hole, not exactly
9:41 PM
it's a drift space window acting as a black hole, or will be
 
hiro1252: Either way
 
What happens when two normal portals meet?
 
me: we had this conversation somewhere
 
trying to find it
5 minutes
9:46 PM
hiro1252: Y'know
9:47 PM
Im starting to think that this may be a Unstoppable Force, Immoveable Object scenario
 
For example, a Black-Hole(or other such singularity) would logically be a very unstoppable force
9:48 PM
Whereas a Mirror Shield, allowing no kinetic force to really be transferred to it, is a immoveable object
 
me: right
 
hiro1252: Therefor, I suspect that at the very instant your faction opened that window next to the Mirror Shield, someone, somewhere, in the universe, successfully divided by zero.
 
me: LOL
9:49 PM
Regardless, this is troublesome
 
course I have an idea about how to get around it if this singularity idea doesn't work
9:50 PM
but its ashame if it doesn't, I wanted to blow up two planets, not just one
 
using one planet as a weapon against another would be fun
 
Okay a portal's function is to take matter from one point and send it to (usually) another point.
9:51 PM
While a small portal can't absorb an entire ship, it can form a hole through the ship, absorbing bits at a time
9:52 PM
if two normal portals of different sizes, first, were to collide, what would happen?
 
stands to reason that the "faster" portal would win, if the big portal is faster than it absorbs the small portal, if small portal is faster it makes a hole in the big portal.
9:53 PM
but do portals have speeds at which they absorb?
 
I would have to say yes, otherwise when you were to, say, put a portal inside an ocean, the portal would just absorb the entire ocean in no time
 
but it doesn't.
 
right?
9:54 PM
hiro1252: Actually, I dont suspect a portal has any speed. It would just depend on the speed the person is traveling in the first place.
 
And otherwise instantly or over imperceptible time transport them across
9:55 PM
me: not speed at which it transports, that's instant
 
I mean speed at which it absorbs
 
speed it takes from the moment a portal makes contact with an object to the time it is inside the portal
 
hiro1252: I personally dont suspect a portal would absorb much of anything. I always view them as windows.
9:56 PM
You can be on both sides of one, which is also how they can be seen through
 
me: yeah you're right, normally a portal is probably static, not absorbing
 
so the moment an object hits the event horizon of a portal it goes from Point A to B.
9:57 PM
hiro1252: And at the same time, one could yank their hand back in order to get back
 
Of course, a portal would logically transfer things in both directions, unless one way
 
Which, of course, brings up that point:How the hell would they WORK as One-Way Portals?
9:59 PM
Augh, gotta go
 
me: k
 
hiro1252: Got a minute left on the comp
 
Chatlog this so we wont forget?
 
me: yeah

Thinking about it further, if you have a gigantic donut and a normal sized donut, and the normal sized donut goes right through the giant donut's hole, that's it. Right? Are portals anything more than holes through the universe?


Portal A is bigger than Portal B. Portal A's output is Point C, Portal B's output is Point D. When Portals A and B touch each other, Portal A is trying to send the entirety of Portal B to Point C. Portal B is trying to send the fraction of Portal A it is in contact with to Point D. Maybe... Maybe both sides win? Portal B is transported to Point C, but part of Portal A is also transported to Point D. And there's a giant hole in Portal A. But alas, both sides get where they were supposed to go. Makes sense, right? But what about when two portals are the same size? I guess the entirety of the portals would pass through each other and be absorbed to the other point.

In the case we're applying this to, though, we're dealing with not two different-sized portals but a mirror shield and a drift space window. Drift Space windows act like portals, but they operate by tapping into the Death Gate -- basically it's a form of transportation which is designed based on the same way Koty brought people to Nox. It was created by one of Koty's sons. But origins aside, it's basically a portal, just a whole lot... Darker.

So we're still dealing with "Portal" A leading to Point C, but it's SMALLER than Portal B, which is leading to... Point A, where Portal A and Portal B already are. Portal A and Portal B are occupying the same space at Point A. So while Portal A transports the part of Portal B it comes into contact with to Point C,  Portal A doesn't move. Which means with the Drift Space singularity meets Mirror Shield setup, a gapping, giant hole forms in the Portal Shield, and in place of that hole is the singularity itself.

While I'm sure with Hiro's design the shield would just apply more power from generators and patch up the hole, if the Everlasting were to push the event horizon forward, it would pass through and be inside the Mirror Shields themselves.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

But isn't the singularity itself the portal thingy? Therefore, if you do make the hole, what's there to push through it?

Also, on the note, don't forget that Mechera have extremely fast reaction times, since they effectively are programs, on the note of pushing through the hole. Just saying, it COULD be argued that they could patch it up in less than a second's time, leaving little window to punch through. Different point altogether, just saying it.

[K2]

But isn't the singularity itself the portal thingy? Therefore, if you do make the hole, what's there to push through it?

Not sure if I understand what you're saying exactly. I'm pushing the singularity itself through the hole. The singularity didn't go anywhere because the Mirror Shield's output is the same as its input.

Also, on the note, don't forget that Mechera have extremely fast reaction times, since they effectively are programs, on the note of pushing through the hole. Just saying, it COULD be argued that they could patch it up in less than a second's time, leaving little window to punch through. Different point altogether, just saying it.

To be fair, considering the mirror shield and singularity are sharing the same point in space before the section of the mirror shield is warped through, it's more like the singularity is already halfway through and we're just pushing it the rest of the way. Even as the Mecherans try to patch it up, they are still fighting to occupy the same space that the singularity alone now occupies, the singularity would be absorbing energy/power/whatever before it could be used to patch up the hole, and by the time enough power was fed through to override the singularity, it would have been pushed through.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

Waaaiiiit...Is, or is the Singularity not, a part of the drift space window?

[K2]

It's what the Drift Space Window is gonna turn into. But even as a singularity it's basically just a portal.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

Riiiiiightrightright. Then the Singularity would be consumed in making the hole in the Mirror Shield. I think. I should think the same hole would appear in the other one, anyways, and not just the Mirror Shield.

[K2]

Riiiiiightrightright. Then the Singularity would be consumed in making the hole in the Mirror Shield. I think. I should think the same hole would appear in the other one, anyways, and not just the Mirror Shield.

Consumed? The force that the mirror shield is applying against the Singularity is moving the Singularity from Point A to Point A. The force that the Singularity is applying to the section of the mirror shield it is in contact with is moving it from Point A to Point B. The reason a hole forms in the mirror shield is because part of it is warped somewhere else. But where would the singularity go?

[@Pokemon Master Red]

Hmm...I guess I'm not getting this entirely right. Could be how late it is or something. I'm still kinda imagining, though, that the singularity would be stretched around the Mirror Shield and forced into itself, but it could be just my mind contemplating entirely theoretical concepts the human mind has no current right imagining at late-o-clock, so maybe tomorrow I'll make sense.

[K2]

The mirror shield itself is nothing more than a portal...

[@Pokemon Master Red]

Oh, that much is easy. The hard part is that its rarely been explored what happens when portals intersect, especially of this variety. I'll probably need sleepfulness(much as I hate to admit it) to think clearly on such.

[UnStellar]

Interesting topic. If two portals of equal size collided, wouldn't they switch? I.E,

Portal A leads to Point B,
Portal C leads to Point D.

Portal A and C collide, and since they match precisely, Portal A moves to Point and Portal C leads to Point B, and as they passed through each other, they essentially trade Points. Portal A now inhabits point D opens to Point B, Portal C now inhabits point B and leads to point D. They essentially move places  but still point to the same place. So if the two met in a area different from Point B and Point D, Point E, they would be lead to the intended destinations.

Now, if Portal A is larger than Portal C, Portal C would move right to point B, and Portal A would still inhabit Point D.

Am I correct?

[K2]

This seems like a fair assessment, interesting thought.