Archive Technology

[Nisorin]

AM fields being absolute is the one of the major issues with it. They shouldn't be able to destroy every single kind of magic there is out there, even those they've never encountered before.

And another thing Gaserlake, you yourself admitted that AM fields could be brute forced like a lock, yet now you're saying they can't? WTF?

[Queen Bright]

Even if he does say they can be bruteforced... It doesn't make sense for them to be. Even a lock needs to be picked. You're not picking the lock or breaking it. You're jamming the key all the way through it. That does not work. And all magic is the same in the end, different types, yeah. But the same makeup of it.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

...Isn't one of the main things about a RP that nothing is absolute? Your saying that aside from using things most characters dont even know exist, AM is absolute.

[Gaserlake]

Nisorin, I did agree with that, but only temporarily. I have then discovered it would only make sense if it couldn't be brute-forced. It wouldn't be right to have mages suddenly be able to overwhelm the AM field. Besides, magic is all the same. It's existence. You would think that AM fields would destroy existence. Well, magic isn't literally existence. It's a manipulated form of existence. No magic can be different from that. AM fields would destroy that, not the existence that makes things exist.

Again, Hiro, there are special cases of exceptions. Same thing with some of the laws of physics. Some laws of physics even limit magic. You can say that AM fields are anomalies to existence, giving it the ability to be absolute against magic.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

Then by the same token, you can say that Imgiatt is anexception to yours, and is a anomoly itself able to overcome AM.

And nobody said anything about all of a sudden. Most mages are biologigical; they are living creatures, and as such undergo changes in order to adapt and overcome obstacles in their enviroment. AM is a obstacle. The bodies of these mages have merely evolved past it, grown strong enough to overpower it. It makes perfect sense.

[Queen Bright]

Here's something to think about.

The Day of Alignment. Back in the OK? It killed off magic for three whole days. NOT ONE KIND OF MAGIC, NOT A FEW KINDS, ALL MAGIC. And you couldn't bruteforce it. Tech was the only option. Or wait it out. This was an event that is now known as a Natural Occurring AM Field. I forgot how we explain how it happened now. I think Gaser and K2 helped me come up with how it was done. (I created the event.) But, if that was a natural occurring AM field, and it was ABSOLUTE.

Then by that same sense, the tech version should be absolute as well if it was based off the ones that can occur naturally.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

That further proves my point. A natural obstacle, can now be overcome with overpowering via either biological adaptation or technological. As far as Biological goes, perhaps the reason it worked so well was because Mages had little to no contact with the field, meaning they didn't have enough time to adapt. Well, seeing as AM fields have been used as much now, its given the mages time to adapt to it. They could have slowly overcome it.
Im not saying you'll be tossing around fireballs the size of buildings even with an AM field. Thats too fast. But NO magic, after the time they've had to adapt to it? At least a few species who've had more contact with it would be able to use some magic, even if suppressed.
And then there's this,which is a technological way past. I dont see how this is impossible, quite frankly. We're talking about magic, which defies MOST(not all) laws of science, and something that blocks most of it. This is something that enhances magical ability, enough to get past it for a bit. If AM is a immovable object, this is what makes magic a unstoppable force.

[Queen Bright]

You can't adapt to it! The Day of Alignment was throughout the whole damn dimensional plane. Magic worked, NOWHERE.
And if it happened again? It wouldn't work for three days, AGAIN. No adapting to it. It doesn't make sense to adapt and bruteforce something thats sole purpose is to cut off magic.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

Dont see why not. The sole purpose of adapting to stuff in biological creatures is to get past obstacles. What your saying makes no sense to me, Hik. You aren't giving living things enough credit. What Im saying is, that would have only worked because they couldn't adapt to it due to its brevity. You cant adapt to something without time. Well, they've had time with dealing with the AM, so they'd have adapted to it. You cant just say something cant be adapted to without explaining why. Whoopdido, its a dimensional plane thing. So's gravity. And ya know what? Gravity's been beat before.

[Queen Bright]

Because you don't bruteforce a lock! You pick it or get around it!

[Gaserlake]

No, you can't just make things an exception all the time, and anomalies. It would defeat one purpose of tech requests: they need to obey laws of physics.

They're biological beings, yes, but machine nowadays are much more advanced and intelligent than us IRL. Look at Chess. We can only think of several moves ahead, while my computer can think AT LEAST a hundred moves in advanced, and not just that, but also A NUMBER OF WAYS to move a hundred times. That's a lot of moves.

Biological? Biological warfare and biochemical warfare. It hits us before we can adapt to it, so it dies. Just like magic. AM fields hit magic, magic can't adapt to it, so it dies. Reason? Magic has no time to adapt to it. It can't ANYWAY.

The lock would be the AM field. The wrong key would be magic, and the lock pick would be Spirit Energy, brute forcing it would be technology, and shooting at the door knob/lock would be AAM. What would you do? Try to open the door with the wrong key against something that's designed to NOT let wrong keys fit in, or use something that's designed AGAINST AM?

[@Pokemon Master Red]

Sure you can. You break it. Y'know, with a rock, a crowbar, hunk of Imgiatt maybe.
EDIT:Gah, hadn't seen Gaser's post. I'll have to post again.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

Gaser, that same thing would apply to the AM then. Dont see why the Aralangs get special treatment by getting AM if no one else gets special treatment with other stuff.

Yeah...But does that mean we cant beat them? No...After all, its usually people who hack computers. In some cases, their smarter, in others, we are. And Im pretty sure a AM field cant think, or even come close, so...Yeah, that analogy...Doesn't work.

You ever notice how there's millions of particles in the atmosphere, Gaser? Viruses and bacteria, all floating around that our immune system murders without a thought? Yeah, at some point those were lethal too. Our bodies adapted to that. So its hardly a stretch to say we can adapt to man-made ones, too.

Gaser...Imgaitt IS technology. It IS bruteforcing it. And its always possible to break something, even locks with the wrong key. It just takes a bit of patience.

[Nisorin]

I agree with Hiro. It's a very simple process called evolution. I'm sure you're both familiar with the term. And you can actually brute-force a lock open with a key by snapping the tumblers inside the lock, you just have to know the trick to it, and have a very strong key. In this case, that key would be magic. AM fields have been used for thousands of years in this RP, that's plenty enough time for races of mages to have been able to evolve. But, there's something else.

Adaptations aren't always biological. They can be technological, and happen in a matter of months or years, or they can be behavioral, happening sometimes in less than a second. With AM fields having been around this long, you really think no one's EVER found a way besides using their own spirit energy or technology to combat an AM field?

[Queen Bright]

Not bruteforcing though. I still say that shouldn't be allowed.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

Yeah? I say AM shouldn't be allowed. I, at least, can think of a way that it can be explained why it doesn't work anymore. Same way its explained. A anomoly could render the field useless.
And dont say that cant work, since anomoly is all you've got going for AM. Throwing rocks from glass houses and all.

[Queen Bright]

Ugh. Magic is existence, literally. Except there's two types. Your regular existence that we're alive on. And then your converted existence. Which goes through the soul or whatever your race has that converts it to use able MAGIC. AM Field blocks out the converted existence/MAGIC, not the existence that's life. Then there's Spirit Energy that's sentience/consciousness . So Existence/Life, Consciousness Energy, Existence Converted/Magic. With me so far? Yeah I'm explaining magic, so the fuck what.

Just powering the converted existence more, DOES NOT overpower what's cutting it off aka the change that was went into converting existence to magic.

[Gaserlake]

Aralangs aren't the only ones with AM technology.

If we allow them to be tough enough, it goes to the point that it's not humanely possible to beat them in Chess. AM fields recognize what's magic, and what isn't. Computers would see our bloody moves in Chess, and recognize them and know how to deal with them. Besides, computers don't really think.

Actually, we have to technology to wipe out the ENTIRE world population from ONE genetically engineered disease. Deadlier than small pox, while more contagious than the common cold.

I used bad analogy, but hell, the key thing seems to be a bad analogy. More like... a lock that has acid that devours the lock on physical contact. You need a special key to make it survive. Each type of key represents magic, techology, Spirit Energy, and other ways. Magic is the key that devours the most. It would instantly devour. It would be as good as ash, or sand, or dust.

Nisorin, I believe nobody has EVER found a way. I believe nobody CAN ever find a way.

Hiro, it's an anomaly. AAM is anomalous. You've already got something that counters magic that's anomalous.

[Nisorin]

Aye, but that anomaly requires technology to use, if you'd listen to Hikaru, leaving magic users out of options beyond spirit energy, which no mage should want to use considering what it is.

[Gaserlake]

They just use Spirit Energy to protect the magic, which would replenish said Spirit Energy. It's a cycle. They won't run out of Spirit Energy, as it's replenished by magic, while at the same time, it's protected by Spirit Energy.

[Orph]

Actually, that only makes sense if an AM is made of particles or fields of thin energy. But as you've yet to explain HOW THE FUCK THEY ARE MADE, OR HOW THEY WORK. It's up to debate. Magic isn't just energy, it's the force of consciousnesses and imagination. And if you're saying your AM field can block that, that means you've created a field that effectively kills all who enter it.

AM fields in their very nature don't make sense, until you explain it fully, and I mean fully. No fucking blank spots remaining I'll be ok with it. Till then you can go fuck yourself, and Imgaitt stays approved.

[Queen Bright]

Till then you can go fuck yourself, and Imgaitt stays approved.

Or it stays un-approved, and you can go fuck YOURSELF, because we don't want to explain magic, thus not wanting to explain AM fields, as it would require explaining magic.

And I did explain magic, partly, READ THE FORMER FUCKING PAGE.

[Orph]

Well then we don't have a problem do we?

[Nisorin]

We don't have to fully explain it, even just the basics would be sufficient enough, I think. AM fields are technology, which, by its definition, needs to be explained.

[Orph]

We don't have to fully explain it, even just the basics would be sufficient enough, I think. AM fields are technology, which, by its definition, needs to be explained.

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