Destruction

[Ghost]

What? Nothing to say? Or did I outtype you all?

Don't get too hotheaded ahead of yourself Hik, they may have more to say.

Lol, true. Sorry. It's just with the week I've had. Sarcasm and SP are the only things keeping half a year of depression at bay. SO START POSTING!

I posted in any OOC topics I want to(lol)

And I posted in that one topic that calls out for other users to post.

Biosphere Elimination is still on hold because of ANOTHER issue and K2 still hasn't posted. B7U is a lonely baby D:

[Kalorph_]

Shall I make up some catch that makes it to where only my characters can ever gain the force of Time back? Like uhhh only ones of a certain clan royalty or something stupid like 'have to kill each other.'

Revelation, and genesis. Don't try to play high and mighty like that.

And bullshit Hikaru; we had multiple discussion on the anti-christ and the like. You didn't just up and decide. Not to mention unless they're screenshots I don't trust any logs you provide. You have always been known to manipulate, cheat, and lie to everyone to get YOUR way. I had never dropped the religious lore as it was an IC thing, and couldn't just up and be dismissed. Religion was used as a cover-story for the creation of free will. Destruction is one of the "chief" Embodiments because he and Eli try to keep the others in line. While Time may be neutral not every Embodiment is.

[Queen Bright]

Shall I make up some catch that makes it to where only my characters can ever gain the force of Time back? Like uhhh only ones of a certain clan royalty or something stupid like 'have to kill each other.'

Revelation, and genesis. Don't try to play high and mighty like that.

Revelation and Genesis are magic types not forces. We're talking about Forces that are concepts anyone can make a character for and has no right to claim as they are a force of REALITY. Destruction is a force known IRL. Revelation is not. -.-  And Genesis isn't mine.

And bullshit Hikaru; we had multiple discussion on the anti-christ and the like. You didn't just up and decide. Not to mention unless they're screenshots I don't trust any logs you provide. You have always been known to manipulate, cheat, and lie to everyone to get YOUR way. I had never dropped the religious lore as it was an IC thing, and couldn't just up and be dismissed. Religion was used as a cover-story for the creation of free will. Destruction is one of the "chief" Embodiments because he and Eli try to keep the others in line. While Time may be neutral not every Embodiment is.

Ummm what? The AC lore was dropped the minute it was decided Eli and Koty were false gods OOC. Go back and read topics. Again, I stole nothing as the characters were babies without a story. You can't steal a baby -.-.
One WOULD HAVE went to you had you stayed but you gave to K2 who gave to me.

...Once I find the logs I can screenshot.

So yeah... discussion over? You had no defense on Destruction not being able to split like Emptiness did. Therefore, I see nothing wrong with it. You don't get to be special.

[Kalorph_]

I have every right to decide HOW Destruction works. I created it, and I'm the final say. Just as you are the final say for revelation and time.

[Queen Bright]

You get to say HOW if it makes sense. But that it can't be split? That's just trying to make it more special than other embodiment forces just so you can whine about how only you can have it.

[Kalorph_]

Where does the rational of an EMBODIMENT splitting make sense? It is a force given form to MAINTAIN a force. Splitting it cuts it power in half; as I doubt either of the children have any reason to perform their duties. This means Destruction has gone eight years without a suitable successor and would've moved on by itself.

[Queen Bright]

And what exactly would those duties be?

[Kalorph_]

Keeping other Embodiments in check, maintaining the force of Destruction, overseeing Hell, protecting Existence, protecting free will, creating change, and destroying shit.

Overseeing Hell was a very passive duty; seeing as Koty was sealed for the longest time.

[Queen Bright]

But that was Koty, Orph. You're not understanding embodiments. Just because Koty kept other embodiments in check or oversaw Hell, protected existence and free will. Doesn't mean the force would. The personality of each embodiment is different. Other than what the FORCE Destruction oversees, the rest would be more character chosen.

Same for Time, Asura is Neutral as she chooses to as that's the way she sees time. Doesn't mean if she ever died her successor would be the same. The successor may want to go out destroying crap.

So yes, Eli and Koty were important, they were chiefs as they were the last of the Perfect. But that does not mean their successors hold that same damn importance.

[Kalorph_]

You don't seem to understand Koty; he IS Destruction. He was the force's goals and ideals. The first incarnation and the most true.

[Queen Bright]

It doesn't make sense for a force to over see Hell when it's not that forces domain. Or protect free will. Hell wouldn't Free Will be it's own embodiment? (Albeit one I hope we never make.) And why would Destruction protect existence?

You said Koty was the seal.

That doesn't mean his Successors would hold the same ideals.

[Kalorph_]

Koty the mortal was the product of the seal; a false personality and mortal form given to something that NEVER had one. "Him" was the first incarnation of Destruction and was LITERALLY Destruction given physical form and thought. His successor would be a mortal chosen from the planes but he was the first and most pure form.

Destruction the force, and true embodiment created free will by "becoming" and "creating" evil and starting the Harbinger war. The demons and fallen angels are his responsibility as he was their creator and downfall. Hell is his domain as much as it is theirs. And Destruction protects Existence for the simple concept of self-survival and it's duties as an Embodiment. It represents a piece of existence itself, and would die to protect the whole.

Of course while the successor may not hold the same IDEALS; they would have the same duties once they fully sit upon the throne. It's a job as much as it is a power.

Hikaru; I've put literally years into writing Koty's backstory and lore. He was my second actual character in this entire RP; I know him and how HE works more then anyone. He was Destruction in it's purest form and unsealed Destruction would act similar to him if not exactly like him. Not Koty; but Destruction.

[Queen Bright]

Hell is Radical/Lucifer's domain last I checked...

And again, this still doesn't say why the power can't be split into equal halves. Embodiments only have duties to their force not all this extra crap unless they WANT to.

Again, you're trying to be special.

[Kalorph_]

Before that it was Destruction's; if you cared to remember the lore. He was the founder and the creator of the demonic race.

Even split into equal halves I told you neither would be able to use Destruction until the other was dead; WHEN you split them into two. That was my main reasoning for one of them being forced to die anyway. It's common sense; no entity would willingly half it's power when it could easily do otherwise. You're also misunderstanding what I'm saying; Koty unsealed was literally Destruction, and now that he's no longer among the mortal world Destruction would still carry the personality of "Him." The force would anyway; this doesn't mean any future successors become like "Him" but when the force itself can choose to either be split in half and weakened, or move to another successor I doubt it would let itself be weaker.

Last time I checked I still decide what Destruction is or isn't; it's goals, ideals, and actions belong to me.

[Admiral Regis Hermitage]

Last time I checked I still decide what Destruction is or isn't; it's goals, ideals, and actions belong to me.

USED to be long to you. You left and forfeit all your rights to it, remember?

[Queen Bright]

Emptiness is a force and it had no problem splitting.

[Kalorph_]

What is the backstory on Emptiness splitting?

Destruction has a choice in splitting itself; it wasn't FORCED to be split by external force. The Successor system wouldn't be as flawed as too weaken the embodiment; this is a system to make sure the closest damn things we have for Gods in this RP stay alive and strong.

[Queen Bright]

Back on topic....

RED how did Emptiness work?

To the rest, go bitch in the other split topic so we can get back on topic.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

The previous Embodiment of Emptiness split himself into multiple parts because he wasn't immune to his own force(loneliness is a form of mental emptiness, after all). Essentially, he split himself into Null and Void, both of which have the Embodiment status.

[Kalorph_]

The difference between Kotah/Ezael and Null/Void is that the latter perform their duties and stick together as a group. I do believe on occasion they separate but Kotah and Ezael do neither, and Destruction hasn't yet actually made them Embodiments yet; they're successors. A FORCE would have NO reason to consciously split it's power in half; an Embodiment is a living being with flaws though. A force is not.

[K2]

I personally don't like the idea of an embodiment splitting. But I do agree that Orph gave up his rights to Destruction when he left, we made that fairly clear. But Destruction and Creation are still the most powerful embodiments, because they were actual children of a Perfect and Imperfect couple. And we have said that when an embodiment's successor takes over, they effectively merge with all the past personalities, memories, etc of the embodiment before them.

So whoever the next embodiment of Destruction is will have memories of Koty's life, and his personality will merge with Koty, though Koty's will be slightly less influential in the merge. We've said this about embodiments countless times. But, I dunno if Destruction would simply find a new host when Kotah and Ezael are threatening to destroy each other. Koty named his "child" as his successor. But he never specified which one, cause he thought it was only gonna be one child, not twins.

So the force of Destruction has to name one of the two successor. I'd think it would PICK which one. I doubt it would give both of them the power, split. Sure both of the children would have some control over Destruction, just like Chaos has some control over Anarchaic abilities, but only one would be embodiment... Which I suppose Hik should choose.