"History is written by the victor." - Winston Churchill

[Admiral Regis Hermitage]

This is for the record...

Im not here to tell you what to think, to change your mind, or assumptions about what has happened. I am simply here to state my side, and allow you to see a new perspective of what happened. In response to your messages asking me to tell my side of the story about the events that transpired recently, i will write this message to anybody who cares enough to read it, although im not assuming very many.

The events of the Skype call, which mainly involved myself, Dan, Regina, Gaser, and Hiro, went over considerably well, until Dan's new threats of more action against me took the conversation in the wrong direction. I had given them the news that SP was (And still is) property of Northfire LLC, under my direction as a corporate VP. Needless to say, many were not happy about it, mainly the fact that the Board of Directors outnumbered (and therefore could technically outvote) the current staff who wanted to change the site back over to Dan's hosting service.

This was a decision that i was not happy about, as Mr. Perteet attempted to extort me for money (Although not very much, but the principle is still the same) and threatened with illegal action against myself, the site, and Northfire. As you can obviously assume, my complete and utter faith, and trust in Dan was no where to be seen. I dont take kindly to that sort of thing from anyone.

So, using my 7-votes allotted to me by proxy, from the NF Board of Directors, i voted against the decision to move back. So, i tried to compromise with Hiro and them to get SP back to independent control. After getting my proxies from the board, i called Link, informing him about what i needed from him (The re-transfer of the domain to me). Link didnt refuse to do it, but he assured me that he would take care of the situation. Of course i knew what this meant, PaNiK was going to town.

I immediately left the Skype call and went offline to avoid blame for anything that was about to happen on Link and PaNiK's part. (Obviously this didnt work, because people are still being dickheads and accusing me of shit) I came back on, to see PaNiK arguing with Yuki [Mainly]. At that point, i wasnt even going to bother to try and convince them to stop, because i was extremely upset with everyone. To be honest it probably wouldnt have gotten me anywhere either, so i was prepared to sit back and watch the show unfold.

I did nothing wrong in that situation. I did not tell them to get on. I did not tell them to DDoS Hikaru, or anything else.

Now since we have gotten that out of the way, i would like to shed some light upon one of your administrators, Mr. Perteet. The following is a log, implicating him in the extortion (BTW, which is HIGHYL illegal), and once again threatening SP's site.

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[16:05] == Lyoko222 [webchat@IndirectIRC-75234238.hawaiiantel.net] has joined #speedmax
[16:05] == Link_ [webchat@F04BBB37.9F7FB8B2.2A637D70.IP] has joined #speedmax
[16:06] <Link_> So your hostee gets suspended, when he decides to move somewhere else?
[16:06] <~Bear> no.
[16:06] <Link_> Bad business.
[16:07] <~Bear> you realize how much extra I give them, that they wouldn't get otherwise? I removed most account limits from them
[16:07] == Link [webchat@F04BBB37.9F7FB8B2.2A637D70.IP] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[16:07] <~Bear> so technically, I am owed more than what was paid
[16:07] <Link_> Give him his backup
[16:08] <Link_> database is all that is required.
[16:08] <Lyoko222> I did not sign up for a premium plan, Dan.
[16:08] <Lyoko222> Nor did i ask for those upgrades.
[16:08] <~Bear> no, but you inherited it, and never asked for them removed.
[16:08] <Lyoko222> I didnt know they were there.
[16:08] <Link_> I have a dedicated. I will give him all that he is required. Without stipulation
[16:09] <Lyoko222> And as per the agreement, i pay 5$/mo for the hosting
[16:09] <Link_> How long has he had his plan with you?
[16:09] <~Bear> he personally, like 1-2 months. the old owner was with me for over a year.
[16:10] <Lyoko222> Even though i payed some of the time.
[16:10] <Link_> ok, so
[16:10] <Link_> how much was his stuff worth?
[16:10] <Link_> What plan would that have qualified
[16:11] <Link_> Web20 was his current plan correct?
[16:11] <~Bear> that was the one he was paying the price for
[16:11] <Link_> Did he ever reach his max of space?
[16:11] <Link_> Max in domains, databases or emails if any?
[16:11] <Link_> overage on bandwidth?
[16:12] <~Bear> yes, I removed database limits
[16:12] <Link_> he had more than 5 databases?
[16:12] <~Bear> Also, I just got a copyright claim on over 1500 posts on the website from Hikaru
[16:12] <Lyoko222> I have 10/30
[16:12] <Link_> you and me both know, he didnt need more than 5 databases, multiple users and tables can be incorporated inside of the same database. So that argument is null and void.
[16:13] <Lyoko222> Hikaru's work is deemed to be property of the website, as per the TOA
[16:13] <Lyoko222> If she has posted after it went into effect, then she essentially has no right.
[16:14] <Link_> What is the copyright on the website?
[16:14] <~Bear> Jeebus never added it, plus she never agreed to the TOA, and many of her posts were made before it, AND she was not notified of the TOA being added or changed.
[16:14] <Lyoko222> TOA can be changed without notice.
[16:15] <Link_> A long standing policy for terms of service, are that the terms can be changed at any time without notice
[16:15] <Link_> Does it state taht on your website Hanson?
[16:15] <Lyoko222> As far as i know.
[16:15] <~Bear> but she was here BEFORE the TOA, she didn't agree to any of them.
[16:15] <Lyoko222> Posting after they have been changed is essentially agreeing with them.
[16:15] <~Bear> so she never agreed to be bound by the original TOA, which could be changed without notice
[16:16] <Link_> Did hanson, get an increase of space? when he got more databases?
[16:16] <Link_> Your package that offers 10 databases is 5 dollars more per month, you said 1-2, so we will call it an even 1.5 months.
[16:16] <~Bear> so if you want the site back up, you will have to get her to sign all the posts over to you
[16:17] <~Bear> ok, so get Hikaru to agree first, and I'd like backpay for 4 months on the plan, so 20 bucks.
[16:17] <Link_> Since it is 5 dollars for the plan. Minus the space, i would say $2.50 for the half month and 
[16:17] <Link_> Backpay, he wasnt hsoting with you for those months.
[16:18] <~Bear> he paid the 2 months prior, before he took over the account
[16:18] <Link_> Then it wasnt his account.
[16:18] <Lyoko222> On behalf of Hikaru
[16:18] <Lyoko222> Go after her.
[16:18] <Lyoko222> Oh wait.... You wont because she lives with you.
[16:18] <Link_> Hanson, you still have a Hackforums account?
[16:18] <Lyoko222> This is bullshit politics and you know it dan.
[16:18] <Lyoko222> Yes
[16:18] <Link_> I am going to post for black up
[16:18] <Link_> You want to fuck us. We will respond
[16:19] <Link_> We will pay you for the 1.5 months, minus the storage and other stuff on that plan
[16:19] <Link_> anythings posted on that site are the property of the domain and site owner; Hanson
[16:19] <Link_> if you want to dispute that, for copyright purposes file a DMCA claim
[16:19] <Link_> Other than that. That is bad credibility.
[16:20] <Link_> I will post the whole of this conversation on EVERY website for hosting that I am on. I am on alot
[16:20] <~Bear> Link: You know who nenolod is?
[16:20] <Lyoko222> You know who PaNiK is?
[16:21] <Link_> Who, Nenolod isnt regsitered on Hackforums.
[16:21] <~Bear> moogle maybe?
[16:21] <Lyoko222> http://www.linkedin.com/in/nenolod
[16:22] <Link_> No moogle
[16:22] <Link_> this is my recommendation.
[16:22] <Lyoko222> Dan, i just wanted to know that i can rely on my webhost.
[16:22] <Link_> There was no intention for a mean break between you and hanson. Hanson has been apart of NF for years.
[16:22] <Lyoko222> You are proving that i cannot the longer you keep this up.
[16:22] <Link_> He will pay you 10 dollars, no more for the altering of his plan
[16:22] <Link_> since it was only his for 1.5, that is a fair deal
[16:23] <Link_> If you need Hikarus posts removed, then I will personally see that they are removed.
[16:23] <Link_> Other than that, there should be no other conflict
[16:23] <Link_> I am here for mediation, period.
[16:25] <Link_> And technically. Since his time is not up. It shouldn't be up for debate that his account should NOT be suspended.
[16:25] <Lyoko222> Dan, please. Just make this easy for the both of us.
[16:25] <~Bear> the suspension was due to owed payments, and copyright cliams.
[16:25] <Link_> there are no copyright claims
[16:26] <Lyoko222> I have invoices saying that i am payed for.
[16:26] <Link_> Show me the documentation on the held copyrights
[16:27] <Lyoko222> I cant help it fi you charge me for WEB20.
[16:27] <Lyoko222> Thats your problem.
[16:28] <~Bear> but you do have to get the content release to you from the content creators.
[16:29] <~Bear> The site content is not yours, and the creators have come to me to voice that they want their content protected.
[16:30] <Lyoko222> Anything that is put on the site is the property of the site.
[16:30] <Link_> Is Hanson not the current owner?
[16:30] <Link_> Domain is in his name?
[16:30] <~Bear> Hanson is the owner of the site, not the content of the site
[16:30] <Link_> I mean if you wanna play that game, how many posts did the site have?
[16:30] <Link_> Its an SMF board.
[16:30] <Link_> The database, domain are his property
[16:31] <Lyoko222> The site owns the content. I own the site.
[16:31] <Link_> that is the only content of note
[16:31] <~Bear> I expect to get copyright claims from Gaserlake, Nisorin, and Jeebus as well, which will take most of the site's posts away
[16:31] <Lyoko222> None of them have copyrights on their content.
[16:31] <Lyoko222> I know that as a fact.
[16:32] <Lyoko222> DMCA only works if they have a valid copyright
[16:32] <Lyoko222> Which none of them do.
[16:32] <~Bear> DMCA works for anyone who created something unique
[16:32] <Lyoko222> And have copyrighted it.
[16:33] <~Bear> anytime you create something, it is automatically copyrighted, whether officially documented or not.
[16:34] <Link_> Any posts made on these forums are subject to the whims of their respective owners. You as the owner and operator of speedmax hosting, while it still had time remaining on it because of a conflict with the *Former* owner, show bad business and unacceptable behavior
[16:34] == nenolod [nenolod@IndirectIRC-C1DF7810.dereferenced.org] has joined #speedmax
[16:34] <Link_> If it is a game walkthrough or a website than your argument is more valid.
[16:35] <Link_> But if people posted stuff on a forums, within the guidelines of the site.
[16:35] <~Bear> Link: you do realize I am not gonna give either of you the database till you get the owners of the posts to turn over their content, and give me the amount I have asked for, after getting the content turned over.
[16:36] <Link_> So basically by your claim Bear, if Lyoko222 deleted some of Jeebus' posts, since they are "BY YOUR CLAIM, COPYRIGHTED", he could get into trouble for affecting the work that is copyrighted by a user on a site.
[16:36] <nenolod> ok, what exactly is going on
[16:36] <Link_> Hanson, text me the name of this company. We will get panik involved.
[16:36] <Lyoko222> Dan is making it hard for em to switch hosts
[16:37] <nenolod> do you owe us money?
[16:37] <Link_> I am charter on SMF, and I ran those majority of the time.
[16:37] <~Bear> Link_: don't throw around threats
[16:37] <Link_> I can get you reestablished with the domain, forums and whever you have downloaded of your database, hopefully the users and some of the messages are in that copy
[16:37] <Link_> No he is paid current
[16:38] <Link_> Bear altered the current plan of the account for the previous owners. He wants back paid for months for the adjustment from hanson when he has only had it for 1.5 months
[16:39] <Lyoko222> I do not owe what i did not agree to nenolod
[16:39] <Link_> Then he claims that posts made on the Website need to be removed before it gets moved to another server for copyright issues.
[16:40] <Link_> hanson, take pictures of all your invoices, a copy of this chatbox and post it on HF, i think we will get support.
[16:41] <Lyoko222> I have PDFs and Paper copies.
[16:41] <Link_> email them to me


Further Threats:

[3:55:28 PM] Yamada Kaito: Lyoko222: we cut SP so many breaks it's not even funny. You social engineered us. I don't like it when people fuck me over, when I cut them breaks, and go above and beyond to help them
[3:56:01 PM] Yamada Kaito: Also, redacted is not a valid address. perhaps I should tell godaddy?
[3:56:28 PM] Lyoko222: Threatening me also doesnt help your case.
[3:56:44 PM] Hikaru/Ember Bright: Lol
[3:56:49 PM] Yamada Kaito: ICANN requires a valid address, which you don't seem to have on file with godaddy
[3:57:22 PM] Yamada Kaito: ICANN is part of the government, you know how little the government budges on policies buddy
[3:57:53 PM] Lyoko222: I can always just change it to a valid address.
[3:58:31 PM] Yamada Kaito: It has to be an address you actually reside at, so if it's not the address Regina has for you, I'll tip off godaddy
[3:59:02 PM] Yamada Kaito: I'm sure I can get it from her, whether willingly or not
[3:59:08 PM] Hikaru/Ember Bright: ...
[3:59:14 PM] Yamada Kaito: her hard drive is within my reach
[3:59:23 PM] Yamada Kaito: don't fuck with me Lyoko222
[3:59:30 PM] Lyoko222: For all they know, i could have moved since she last had that address
[3:59:55 PM] Yamada Kaito: they will require verification, if reported.
[4:00:18 PM] Faotemaru: Bring me back when we talk about happy things.
[4:00:25 PM] *** Faotemaru has left ***
[4:00:46 PM] Yamada Kaito: Don't play games with me.
[4:01:07 PM] Hikaru/Ember Bright: Leave Ikiru out of this
[4:01:34 PM] Yamada Kaito: The whole site wants you to move back, but you won't just because I disagreed with you, but hey, I can just report you, and take the whole domain down, no problem.
[4:01:47 PM] Yamada Kaito: Guess what else? I don't even run speedmax any more.
[4:02:22 PM] Yamada Kaito: I don't represent a company anymore, I don't have a reputation to protect
[4:03:03 PM] Yamada Kaito: Keep that in mind when playing games with me and the company I used to run
[4:03:44 PM] Lyoko222: You are still on their Board of Directors
[4:04:03 PM] Lyoko222: Information changed to a valid address
[4:04:05 PM] Yamada Kaito: Of course I am, but there are plenty of others as well
[4:04:58 PM] Lyoko222: This is getting really pathetic on our part, Dan.
[4:05:02 PM] Lyoko222: your^
[4:05:32 PM] Lyoko222: And if you dont own teh company anymore, then why do you care?
[4:05:36 PM] Yamada Kaito: You forgot the Apartment number
[4:05:47 PM] Lyoko222: ITs a valid address
[4:05:55 PM] Yamada Kaito: not your address though
[4:05:59 PM] Lyoko222: It is.
[4:06:06 PM] Lyoko222: I do live at that address
[4:06:21 PM] Yamada Kaito: incomplete, would you like to find out whether the government likes your answer?
[4:06:31 PM] Lyoko222: I just seemed to have forgotten my unit number.
[4:06:34 PM] Lyoko222: Oh, well.
[4:06:43 PM] Yamada Kaito: you very well know where you live at
[4:07:00 PM] Yamada Kaito: no excuse, it's on your mail too.
[4:07:17 PM] Lyoko222: Any mail will for sent to the building manager, who will gladly give it to me.
[4:09:20 PM] Hikaru/Ember Bright: (yawn)
[4:10:28 PM] Lyoko222: As he ahs in the past.

In addition to this, Daniel seems to have quite the temper when thing arent about to go his way. So if you want someone like this on your administration team, i pray for the future of this site, Gentlemen. Alot of us may have been at fault in this situation, but i never implied, or made threats of personal action against anyone during this entire situation. I may have been an asshole, who wanted to run a clean and organized staff, and wanted a rule-abiding, respectful memberbase, but i am not a criminal, or a liar. I may have misled, and failed to correct some opinions or thoughts, but i have not lied, or tried to cheat you in such a way as Dan has tried to me.

In the end, i do see my fault, and yours as well. You all are not used to such a strict enforcement of rules, or used to suffering immediate consequence following the infraction of the rules. I apologize for not realizing that, but that is my fault. I guess i had a little bit more faith that i should have.

-Chase K. Hanson
Northfire VP, Chief of Advertisement

PS: For those of you wondering, the "Dictator" rank of SP was a joke from Link. He decided that if yall thought i was such a dictator, than he might as well make me one on the site.

[K2]

Thanks brother. I appreciate this. Like I've said. You're welcome to stay. We consider you a friend.

[Ghost]

In addition to this, Daniel seems to have quite the temper when thing aren't about to go his way

You did too. I don't care what you say, but if things don't go your way, you do terrible things. Gaser beats you in an argument, well sour grapes for you. You literally banned him from the site for speaking his mind.

I did nothing wrong in that situation. I did not tell them to get on. I did not tell them to DDoS Hikaru, or anything else.

Yeah, you did. You could have TALKED Link OUT of adding Panik, if you really did show concern for the Site and the Memberbase, but no. You just cared for a site that just died immediately after the switch. Instead of preventing the attack, you just let your temper get to you since you lost more than you thought, as seen above. So yeah, you did do something wrong. You failed to protect the members of a site, and instead shut them out to progress the death of your copy.

PS: For those of you wondering, the "Dictator" rank of SP was a joke from Link. He decided that if yall thought i was such a dictator, than he might as well make me one on the site.

His humor sucks. Seriously. It WAS a dictatorship. If you want strict enforcement make a military-based RPG(ohwait), instead of taking over a "free-roaming" one. People here will not agree to everything you say. We're not your lackies and have a goddamn right to say our ideals.

[Admiral Regis Hermitage]

In addition to this, Daniel seems to have quite the temper when thing aren't about to go his way

You did too. I don't care what you say, but if things don't go your way, you do terrible things. Gaser beats you in an argument, well sour grapes for you. You literally banned him from the site for speaking his mind.

I did nothing wrong in that situation. I did not tell them to get on. I did not tell them to DDoS Hikaru, or anything else.

Yeah, you did. You could have TALKED Link OUT of adding Panik, if you really did show concern for the Site and the Memberbase, but no. You just cared for a site that just died immediately after the switch. Instead of preventing the attack, you just let your temper get to you since you lost more than you thought, as seen above. So yeah, you did do something wrong. You failed to protect the members of a site, and instead shut them out to progress the death of your copy.

PS: For those of you wondering, the "Dictator" rank of SP was a joke from Link. He decided that if yall thought i was such a dictator, than he might as well make me one on the site.

His humor sucks. Seriously. It WAS a dictatorship. If you want strict enforcement make a military-based RPG(ohwait), instead of taking over a "free-roaming" one. People here will not agree to everything you say. We're not your lackies and have a goddamn right to say our ideals.

And allow me to refute...

1- I become aggravated when my plans do not transpire accordingly, but i also keep in mind the military saying that the best plans never survive first contact with the enemy. This allows me to adapt tactics, and the plans accordingly without having to lose my temper, and threaten (In the case of Mr. Perteet). True, i did lose my temper at Dan, but for good reason....  Also, Gaser was SUSPENDED. Not banned. His fourth Infraction of rule 2, to be exact. Now Swift, please tell me what that punishment entails...

2- "At that point, i wasnt even going to bother to try and convince them to stop, because i was extremely upset with everyone. To be honest it probably wouldnt have gotten me anywhere either, so i was prepared to sit back and watch the show unfold. " -Me in the above post.

3- I never said that everyone must agree with me (However much i'd like that.). I only said that the staff had an obligation to uphold my decisions, and support me. And that I, as a team leader, had the responsibility to support them in their decisions and endeavors. I've also never denied anyone the right to voice their ideals... I simply applied consequence to those that were disrespectful to the staff, and members alike. Keep in mind that i am a firm believer in the bill of rights.

[Ghost]

How dare you use my name online....

1-Once again, it's not a military. We are not you soldiers. K2 isn't your second in command. You aren't the head honcho. Besides, your only military experience is JROTC. You don't really have much to draw from that. I don't care if you lead a battalion of 200 persons. You have never been to war, driven any military vehical, lead anyone to fight. You never saw anyone die right in front of you in battle. You can't say anything and be so proud of it. I know I have no physical experience in anything military, but you can't say "I want to go to a war to prove how great I am!" I can quote my history teacher here too. "Anyone who says he wants to go to war is a liar or stupid"-Churchill. (Oh look he shares names with that one guy).

2-You showed pure apathy to the very people who once supported "your" site. If you woke up for one second, you could've stopped making the mess worse. 

3-supports rights->works impulsively without anyone's say. Anyone else thinking of a dictator?

[Gaserlake]

I never got this straight. How did I disrespect you four times, and caused drama three times? I only disrespected you once by calling you a joke. I only caused drama once, as I didn't cause three different, individual dramas. It was one drama, and I contributed to it.

[UnStellar]

Chase, you're still alright with me. I'd take yours and K2's word over everybody else's. I'm sorry it went down like this.

[Admiral Regis Hermitage]

Keep in mind that JROTC is a program funded by the United States Military, and taught be experienced Officers and NCOs. It isnt to teach people how to fight. Its to teach people how to be leaders, and to help people become better citizens. So, for all intensive purposes, my 4 years of experience counts as; A- Leadership Training, and B- Partial Military Training. Because, yes we did do physical things that the military does. Rope bridges, rappelling, marksmanship, drown-proofing, obstacle courses, living in tents with 9 other dudes on cots, eating MREs.

So, with that said, excuse me for using real life principles that were taught to me by a MILITARY program over the course of 4 years (Which have been proven to work in real-life) to try to organize an otherwise chaotic mess. I've never stated anyone to be my soldiers, or "Lackies". I've never stated myself to be a "Commander". or K2 as my "Second-in-command". Ive said that i was a Team Leader, and that the staff were the team, and i simply pointed out the responsibilities of each.

On a final note, Swift... You dont have to go to war to be a good leader, or to gain any sort of military knowledge. Not every one in the military will see action, hell some arent even designed to. I've not witnessed the atrocities of war, nor have i ever driven a military vehicles. These arent things that make leaders... You'd know that if you were one. Had i joined the military, i would have proudly gone to fight for my country, its freedom, its citizens, and would have kept the Creed, and Oath to "Be prepared to uphold the Constitution" and to "Defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic."   That makes me a patriot... not stupid or a liar. Nam does stuff to people, Yuke. Keep that in mind when you listen to Mr. Churchill.

[Gaserlake]

You haven't answered my question, Lyoko. How did I disrespect you four times, and caused drama three times?

Part of being a good leader is experience. You do gain experience leading people away from war, but leading people in war is a whole another thing, which is something you lack. I lack it as well, but it's you who acts like a know-it-all. Don't act like one. Be one. If you can't be one, then don't act like one. My point is that you should be modest.

[Ghost]

Keep in mind that JROTC is a program funded by the United States Military, and taught be experienced Officers and NCOs. It isnt to teach people how to fight. Its to teach people how to be leaders, and to help people become better citizens. So, for all intensive purposes, my 4 years of experience counts as; A- Leadership Training, and B- Partial Military Training. Because, yes we did do physical things that the military does. Rope bridges, rappelling, marksmanship, drown-proofing, obstacle courses, living in tents with 9 other dudes on cots, eating MREs.

So, with that said, excuse me for using real life principles that were taught to me by a MILITARY program over the course of 4 years (Which have been proven to work in real-life) to try to organize an otherwise chaotic mess. I've never stated anyone to be my soldiers, or "Lackies". I've never stated myself to be a "Commander". or K2 as my "Second-in-command". Ive said that i was a Team Leader, and that the staff were the team, and i simply pointed out the responsibilities of each.

On a final note, Swift... You dont have to go to war to be a good leader, or to gain any sort of military knowledge. Not every one in the military will see action, hell some arent even designed to. I've not witnessed the atrocities of war, nor have i ever driven a military vehicles. These arent things that make leaders... You'd know that if you were one. Had i joined the military, i would have proudly gone to fight for my country, its freedom, its citizens, and would have kept the Creed, and Oath to "Be prepared to uphold the Constitution" and to "Defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic."   That makes me a patriot... not stupid or a liar. Nam does stuff to people, Yuke. Keep that in mind when you listen to Mr. Churchill.

Stop.

Using.

My.

Real.

Name.

It violates my privacy. And you know god damn well I don't want my real name broadcasted online. You do realise that's baiting/offensive. And I will report you if you type my real name one more goddamn time. You're not getting closer in gaining my friendship/trust/faith back by doing this.

On that note, I don't even care if you were or weren't in military. You go join a war and have fun watching friends die in it.

Nam does things to people, sure. But no one, NOT A SINGLE FUCKING PERSON, would be so willing to hop into war. Before the war, it appears patriotic. During the war, it's about keeping your comrades and bretheren alive. Churchill said that. And the Guest speaking who was in the Vietnam war said it.

It doesn't matter if you're fighting for your country. That's only the cover of it. When in a war you want to keep your group alive so you're not the last man standing.

You think it's all guts and glory for the pride of the nation, but it's not. It's a political struggle. And you treat it like it's proving something great just to fight the enemy. Well, fine. Fight the commies, big whoop. On the outside, red vs freedom. On the inside? Defend your post and your friends.

You fail to see that.

Let's see about that whole leader of the team thing? A true leader makes decisions based on his or her group's ideals. They listen. They consider the thoughts. They try to make the best decision for the memberbase. You went against our ideas and thoughts. Instead you're making it worse. Here's an example: host switch. No one agreed to it. Only you did. Everyone knew Dan. No one but you knew kyle. And switching from a known person to a stranger is not what the group wanted.

People are accustomed to persons the majority knows and is comfortable with. Not a complete stranger who stabs your back for disagreeing with the only person he/she knows and then sends in more persons to ATTACK members.

[@Pokemon Master Red]

Alright. Both of you. !Locking the topic and implementing formal warnings in accordance with Inciting Drama. Swift, I know how you feel about that point. That doesn't change that its not relevant to the topic at hand, and all you pointing it out like that is serving to do is starting a big argument between the two of you.
As for you, Lyoko, you're responding to it and feeding the argument as well, and in addition you are ignoring Swift's personal request to cease the use of her real name. Its obvious it bothers her, yet you continued, and the only reason I can see for you to do so is out of spite for her and to flamebait, both of which are against the rules.
I expect this to stop here, but since I've tried the 'not-lock-the-topic-and-just-ask-everyone-to-nicely-not' before and it failed horribly, Im not gonna take any chances and I think I'll just go ahead and stop either of you from continuing on the board with this.